Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)

[SuperSizeMe]

I'm not sure what we get if Glazers are out. We're seeing the bubble that is football transfer fees still at ridiculous prices, despite COVID, but clubs all suffering on profitability. Maybe, just maybe, Woodward could have gone hunting for some good deals in a downturn market.

We would need an owner that has the ability to infuse cash/ liquidity into the club to get signings done, and one that is fine with not turning a profit on the club for a few years. In this economy, not sure there are many that would take their chances.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

unfollow all platforms is the only feasible way to make a statement now.

I've not made a United purchase for many years now.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Start with the manager fist. There is no way the players are this bad, it’s absolutely pathetic.

 

[NoLogo]

Woodward needs to go. He got 3 managers wrong and gets fleeced in the transfermarket regularly. Needs to feck off asap.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

Do not care about that one when it comes to a Manchester United manager. The importance of the man handling on pitch affairs cannot be understated. Change the ownership all you want, someone like Ole is not leading us to where we want to be. I'd get rid of both Woodward and him, happily.

I honestly don't know what the management has to do with the pitch performances.

Including the tactics and execution of that same tactics on the field.

The players should be good enough.

That leaves the coaching and the tactics.
And man management.

And today exposed it all on the field.

Just not good enough. Ole. The coaches.

Absolutely fine, I'm not arguing that Ole is the top manager we need. But at least he wants to take us back to the top, the Glazers and their ilk aren't even interested in that.

My point is I can just about accept a man struggling to do a good job but I cannot stand the sight, nor even the thought, of what the owners and officials are doing to this club. Maybe the truth is none of them are good enough but for me there's a clear difference between the two.

 

[red woppit]

Ole wanted him didn't he? So isn't that on him?

I don't like Glazers or Woodward but come on this isn't on them. All 4 goals were Sunday league defending.

I'm afraid it is on the Glazers and Ed, even if Ole is not the right coach.
The problems at this club started way before Ole got here.
We shipped a lot of goals before AWB and Maguire arrived, and they were partly responsible for our much better defence last season. They don't seem to be anywhere near that level at the moment, so you can say that the current poor displays are down to poor coaching, no proper break, Maguire's court case, lack of training, and numerous other things.
What I do think is Ole's mistake is trying to find a place for Pogba in the team, when he patently is struggling, and, to me, is a liability in the position he's playing him in.
Ole also wants to play out from the back at all times, not wise to me, we should mix it up a bit.

 

[Tincanalley]

unfollow all platforms is the only feasible way to make a statement now.

We need an anti Glazer strategy thread if mods allow it

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Absolutely fine, I'm not arguing that Ole is the top manager we need. But at least he wants to take us back to the top, the Glazers and their ilk aren't even interested in that.

My point is I can just about accept a man struggling to do a good job but I cannot stand the sight, nor even the thought, of what the owners and officials are doing to this club. Maybe the truth is none of them are good enough but for me there's a clear difference between the two.

I want to enjoy watching this football team. And we need a quality coach for that. Glazers have spent shitloads in the post SAF years so not sure about the not wanting to win bit. There's just incompetence everywhere you look. Given I know Glazers won't go, I'm aiming my attention at Woodward and Ole. Although don't know why the formers job seems unquestionable.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Start with the manager fist. There is no way the players are this bad, it’s absolutely pathetic.

Start with the biggest problem first, Woodward.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Out isn't enough. They should be jailed for what they've done to this football club.

Fans need to grow a backbone and Boycott now. Boycott everything including tickets when they go back on sale.

 

[manichester]

Woodwood is the real deadwood.

 

[red woppit]

Absolutely fine, I'm not arguing that Ole is the top manager we need. But at least he wants to take us back to the top, the Glazers and their ilk aren't even interested in that.

My point is I can just about accept a man struggling to do a good job but I cannot stand the sight, nor even the thought, of what the owners and officials are doing to this club. Maybe the truth is none of them are good enough but for me there's a clear difference between the two.

Spot on. If Ole goes, we will still be in the same predicament when a new man comes in, then we will go through the same process as the past 6 seasons.

 

[Ralph1386]

There has been 1 constant throughout the entire shit-show that has been the last 7 years and it sure as feck wasn't Ole.

Maybe he isn't good enough. But Woodward and his cnut overlords are the true cancer at this club and nothing really changes until they all feck off.

This, this and this! Took the words out of my mouth.

I’m not saying Ole should stay long term, but he definitely shouldn’t be the first one out the door!

 

[Ali Dia]

I think part of what’s happening with the players is the lack of players/help/reinforcements being brought in. I’m not letting our current players off. They’ve been shit, the wages they are on, the amount the current team cost, the players reputations before they came. They should be running through walls trying to earn that money. Jogging around pointing at each other. Pogba legit pulling out of every 50/50 and laughing while we are getting hammered? He’s going to be the highest paid player in our history, if we are lucky enough to not lose him on a free! The players know the club is a total mess and it’s affecting them the same way it’s affecting the fans. The end of last season was absolute garbage too. Chelsea, Copenhagen, Seville, Leicester were all terrible performances and the players were knackered and now help is only arriving on the final day of the window? You’d be pissed too. It’s like our decisions are being made by people who don’t even watch the team. It’s painful to see. What I don’t get is last season everybody was saying the players were knackered after a few games and now they are not fit enough after a few games? Where does it end?

 

[Redfan94]

Where is Ferguson in all of this. Surely he can’t sit by game in game out and not offer his input on how the club is being ran?

 

[DickDastardly]

Absolutely fine, I'm not arguing that Ole is the top manager we need. But at least he wants to take us back to the top, the Glazers and their ilk aren't even interested in that.

My point is I can just about accept a man struggling to do a good job but I cannot stand the sight, nor even the thought, of what the owners and officials are doing to this club. Maybe the truth is none of them are good enough but for me there's a clear difference between the two.

But that's the problem right there. He's not doing a good job!

Fine, we made top 4. Yes yes, that night in Paris.

But there is nothing in our play that suggests he has a plan, the players look lost out there.

I don't care about the owners. We bought a 80mil defender, we bought Fred, VDB, Pogba for 100 mil, we have bought players before, and we will continue to buy top players in the future, but nothing will come out of this club if the right man is not at the helm.

And let's face it, OGS is not that man.

If anything, i blame the owners for not being more ruthless!! Here, drive this 500 milion dollar car for 100 laps, if you can't corner it properly after the first 10 laps, feck off.

Off with your head.

In with the new.

 

[marktan]

The problem is they sacked Jose, then hired Ole as a temp while they were looking for a proper manager to bring in. And after a short run of form and they give him the role on a perm prematurely, before even finishing their search in the summer..

A manager who's done nothing and has no calibre or style of play. The fact that they think that's acceptable sums them up - lazy clueless.

But at the end of the day it's easy for us to sit at home and criticise - their actual job making these decisions is probably quite tough and I just don't thinnk they have it in them to ever get it right. Even Liverpool struggled for decades until they hired a generational coach in Klopp - we need to get luckly like that but it's tough.

One unforgivable aspect though is a lack of a DOF. Our transfers post SAF have been piss poor value.

 

[KomodoBadger]

Out isn't enough. They should be jailed for what they've done to this football club.

Fans need to grow a backbone and Boycott now. Boycott everything including tickets when they go back on sale.

fecking this. They’ve committed major crimes against football.

 

[FreakyJim]

The owners, it starts from them and goes down. The people they hire, the people those people hire etc.

As long as the Glazers are the owners we will be shit.

 

[Ludens the Red]

A complete and utter shambles this board.

Why the feck have we combined spent (set to spend) 60+ million on three back up players?and then haggled around paying the required fee for Sancho?
What kind of idiotic squad planning is this?
Why have we left it to the final week to get the Cavani and Telles deals done?

Why weren’t they brought in months ago considering one was a free transfer and the other basically begged to leave. Porto aren’t exactly a difficult club to deal with either.

They really don’t help themselves this board. It’s like they like negativity. Even if you dont go for Sancho and want to boost the squad numbers instead, get it done early. Show that the club is planning and is prepped. Don’t allow the uncertainty and negativity to build. Don’t give the players and coaching staff a reason to doubt.

It’s just endless, endless amounts of stupid decision making.
Over backing managers, not backing managers, stupid contracts, stupid sales.
Hiring an out of his depth manager, just a total fecking shambles.
How Ed Woodward still has a job is beyond the realms of comprehension.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

I want to enjoy watching this football team. And we need a quality coach for that. Glazers have spent shitloads in the post SAF years so not sure about the not wanting to win bit. There's just incompetence everywhere you look. Given I know Glazers won't go, I'm aiming my attention at Woodward and Ole. Although don't know why the formers job seems unquestionable.

I understand, the coaching has not been good enough. We should definitely face the facts Ole was brought in on a temporary basis as a face that fits for United fans to try to get a feel good factor back after Jose, not as some tactical visionary equipped to bring great football back to Old Trafford. Hand on heart I don't have confidence in Ole to deliver the goods as United manager, and I dare say I'd think the same regardless of the ownership/backroom situation.

My points in this thread are about wanting the Glazers out, wanting Woodward out, wanting professional football people who want to get this club back to the very top in the backroom. I believe the greatest managers in world football would be on a hiding to nothing under this regime, because as you rightly say they've spent hundreds of millions of pounds post-Fergie; on players, on managers, on agents' fees, and we've got a shell of a club on our hands in 2020/21. If Ole is incompetent then by any measure these parasites are equally so, if not more, and no amount of money spent will convince me they are capable nor particularly interested in having United compete for top honours, given CL qualification every other season is just fine for their bottom line. We laughed at Liverpool when the cowboys were in town and Arsenal in the death throes of Wenger and beyond after the American moneymen got their tendrils into that club, but we are Liverpool 07-10, we are Arsenal 2010≈, and though Ole carries his share of blame for the state of this performance and many other poor ones under him for me he's a symptom not a cause of the state of this club.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I understand, the coaching has not been good enough. We should definitely face the facts Ole was brought in on a temporary basis as a face that fits for United fans to try to get a feel good factor back after Jose, not as some tactical visionary equipped to bring great football back to Old Trafford. Hand on heart I don't have confidence in Ole to deliver the goods as United manager, and I dare say I'd think the same regardless of the ownership/backroom situation.

My points in this thread are about wanting the Glazers out, wanting Woodward out, wanting professional football people who want to get this club back to the very top in the backroom. I believe the greatest managers in world football would be on a hiding to nothing under this regime, because as you rightly say they've spent hundreds of millions of pounds post-Fergie; on players, on managers, on agents' fees, and we've got a shell of a club on our hands in 2020/21. If Ole is incompetent then by any measure these parasites are equally so, if not more, and no amount of money spent will convince me they are capable nor particularly interested in having United compete for top honours, given CL qualification every other season is just fine for their bottom line. We laughed at Liverpool when the cowboys were in town and Arsenal in the death throes of Wenger and beyond after the American moneymen got their tendrils into that club, but we are Liverpool 07-10, we are Arsenal 2010≈, and though Ole carries his share of blame for the state of this performance and many other poor ones under him for me he's a symptom not a cause of the state of this club.

Yes but by that logic, Daniel James is a symptom of Ole who is a symptom of Woodward who is a symptom of the Glazers and hence, nobody gets held accountable as a genuine contributer whereas they all are.

Glazers have failed in the way they have run the club.

Woodward has failed in the managers he has picked, transfer dealings and lack of football know how.

The managers have failed in coaching the team to the level required and wasting a lot of good money given to them by the above.

 

[littlepeasoup]

The Glazers must go. Ed Woodward must go. That's where we start. Anything else is a sticking plaster on a bullet hole.

 

[Striker10]

Start with the manager fist. There is no way the players are this bad, it’s absolutely pathetic.

The players are demoralized because after fighting to get into top 4,the owners have once again....failed. Oles not an issue. We should have gone into the season optimistic but instead all the negative press is due to the owners and their minions. They have frustrated the supporters. The players. The manager. They are in over their head. They bought into success but are losers

 

[sammsky1]

Start with the manager fist. There is no way the players are this bad, it’s absolutely pathetic.

Who gets to choose the next manager and manages the transfer windows?

 

[Jonty]

Time for a social media blackout. For Woodward and his ilk fans are commodities, he is a banker and only understands numbers/the bottom line (even saying this I think I'm giving him too much credit). Delete the app, unfollow the social media channels They only perpetuate the pain.

#glazersout #woodwardout #greenandgold

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Who gets to choose the next manager and manages the transfer windows?

Exactly. Ole outers aren't bright enough to remember it's Woodward who appointed him and its Woodward who has made 1000 mistakes since he took over.

How is it going to be any different for Poch? If he had any sense he'd turn us down anyway.

 

[L1nk]

Exactly. Ole outers aren't bright enough to remember it's Woodward who appointed him and its Woodward who has made 1000 mistakes since he took over.

How is it going to be any different for Poch? If he had any sense he'd turn us down anyway.

No they're just bright enough to realise Woodward is not going anywhere, you won't find a find person who wants Ole out that wants Woodward to stay, of course they don't, but who's most likely to be next out of the door, is it Ole or Woodward? I'd put my entire life on the answer you and I both know it's going to be.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

The players are demoralized because after fighting to get into top 4,the owners have once again....failed. Oles not an issue. We should have gone into the season optimistic but instead all the negative press is due to the owners and their minions. They have frustrated the supporters. The players. The manager. They are in over their head. They bought into success but are losers

Forget a great one, a good manager can get these lot playing with some sort of cohesion. You have to work with what you got, can’t dwell on what could or should have been.

Who gets to choose the next manager and manages the transfer windows?

I get it but let’s face it, it’s not happening. Sir Alex had to suffer it and when Jose tried to take them on he gave up and downed tools. Who’s going to get them out? The fans? A few shiny signings and all is forgiven until it turns to crap again after a season. Rinse and repeat.

 

[KekiZeki]

The owners might not be the best but they will get us Cavani.

 

[DSG]

Let’s not be so black and white in assigning blame. It takes an organization-wide effort to methodically dismantle a legendary club. Ed Woodward is just the buffoon in charge of the day to day. Things can be two, or even three things. Glazers can be yellow teethed, pony-tailed inbreds with with their dirty half starved golden goose chained to the fence, AND Woodward can be a sycophantic, weasel accountant without a clue in how to LEAD a club.

More importantly, Ole is complicit by standing by and not standing up and speaking truth. I’m an Ole supporter, but HAS to point to management for support.

I can’t stand it anymore. I seriously want to burn my kit.

 

[charlenefan]

Have any fans ever successfully got rid of their clubs owners? i.e. owners have sold due to fan pressure

 

[dannyrhinos89]

There has got to be multi billionaire united fan out there that is distraught As the rest of us.

please wherever you are buy our club off the leeches and sack Woodward in the most painful way possible.

 

[Gehrman]

Boycott them. With CO-VID 19 going it's easier to get it going.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

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[red woppit]

Let’s not be so black and white in assigning blame. It takes an organization-wide effort to methodically dismantle a legendary club. Ed Woodward is just the buffoon in charge of the day to day. Things can be two, or even three things. Glazers can be yellow teethed, pony-tailed inbreds with with their dirty half starved golden goose chained to the fence, AND Woodward can be a sycophantic, weasel accountant without a clue in how to LEAD a club.

More importantly, Ole is complicit by standing by and not standing up and speaking truth. I’m an Ole supporter, but HAS to point to management for support.

I can’t stand it anymore. I seriously want to burn my kit.

I think Ole is trying hard not to be too negative when speaking to the media, unlike José who blamed everyone but himself. It really doesn't help anyone by having a go at the heirarchy within the club via the media. The supporters are the one's who can try to get rid of these leeches, and the parasites that cling to them, but how we do that I'm not sure. Social media perhaps, or boycotting any sponsors of the club, but the glazers will only sell when the money stops rolling in.

 

[kiristao]

I am genuinely interested in knowing what exactly would you have wanted United to do differently then what they have done in the last 7 years. I am mainly talking in terms of manager appointments and transfers.

People act like we used to get superb deals before Ed. Even then people would talk about a United tax.

United had one of the largest net spends in the last 7 years. Ed has spent about 300ml on Defenders and these are players approved by the managers.
Moyes was not appointed by Ed Everyone was happy to see Moyes go and LVG come in. Everyone was happy to see LVG go and a lot were happy to see Mou come in. Everyone was happy to see Mou go. Ole is the only appointment that was more a 50:50 split with the fans.
Yes he hasn't signed ever player we were rumoured to sign but no club in the world provides no manager in the world with every player they want except maybe City with Pep.
I hate the Glazers as they suck money out of the club but Ed is as helpless with that as anyone else as after all he is an employee.

 

[Tincanalley]

Where is Ferguson in all of this. Surely he can’t sit by game in game out and not offer his input on how the club is being ran?

He folded to the Glazers long long ago.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Whether we get a new manager or not, we need someone knowledgeable to run the football side of the club. The whole thing is a joke, this board has kept making mistake after mistake but are still here.

The simple fact is that we are not going to just get a new SAF, and all mangers have a shelf life. We need people who are smart enough to see when the performances are sliding, what that team needs. Is the problem the players or the coaching ?? How would these idiots know ?? We need knowledgeable people running the club who are ready to make difficult decisions, who are proactive in their planning than being reactive. Till that happens, I have little confidence in what changing managers will achieve.

 

[Champ]

I am genuinely interested in knowing what exactly would you have wanted United to do differently then what they have done in the last 7 years. I am mainly talking in terms of manager appointments and transfers.

People act like we used to get superb deals before Ed. Even then people would talk about a United tax.

United had one of the largest net spends in the last 7 years. Ed has spent about 300ml on Defenders and these are players approved by the managers.
Moyes was not appointed by Ed Everyone was happy to see Moyes go and LVG come in. Everyone was happy to see LVG go and a lot were happy to see Mou come in. Everyone was happy to see Mou go. Ole is the only appointment that was more a 50:50 split with the fans.
Yes he hasn't signed ever player we were rumoured to sign but no club in the world provides no manager in the world with every player they want except maybe City with Pep.
I hate the Glazers as they suck money out of the club but Ed is as helpless with that as anyone else as after all he is an employee.

Mr Woodward leveraged the deal for the Glazers.
He has taken it upon himself to involve himself in transfer dealings, refusing Jose certain players, Cavani just strikes me as a Woodward buy, goes against everything Ole has suggested is our OM.
Our owners have been good at getting the money rolling in, but not so good at sorting the club out as a sporting entity.
United are not a business for business men, it's a football club. Alas, this is the way football has gone but still the owners and Woodward need to take the flack for not sorting out transfer and footballing related matters.