Oh come on! Jonny fecking Evans is a first choice defender there! I understand you wish to absolve Ole of any and all responsibility but this is ridiculous.
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I second this view.
He’s been set up to fail and he’s shit.
Thats how crap the club is
Thats how crap the club is
Where under Ole's tenure have we conceded more than 3 goals in a single game? Barca?
At most in our bad games we have conceded 2 at worst.
Also to the bolded, with the players he had at his disposal in the first half of the league, 66 was a ripping result. Dont try and pretend like he had anywhere near the post bruno players in the squad available.
Well put
My question is: Why can Arteta go to Arsenal with a shoddy defence and a history of bad defending and make them more tighter and closed up, conceding less, without spending - apart from 1 defender this summer.
Yet Ole has spent over 100million on a defence, and they are still so poor?
What is it, bad coaching?
As always we were late. Mourinho should've been hired before Moyes, when he still had it in him to win the league.
Who were these better managers that Liverpool had a remote chance of hiring before Klopp?
Managers should have plan B.
They could've easily wanted Messi and Cristiano, that doesn't mean it's that or bust. Mourinho fell out with the owners - like we didn't expect that to happen? Jose is what he is, you know what you will get with him.
Ole getting Sancho would've fixed shipping 11 goals in 3 games to Brighton, Palace and Spurs(who also played their fourth game in about a week)?
Ole spent 130m pounds on 2 defenders that looked like pub players today. Same against Brighton and same against Palace(you can excuse AWB in that game). Three games in a row and half of that defensive line cost 130m pounds.
So far we have spent north of 200m pounds under Ole, winning nothing and finishing 6th and 3rd with the exact same point tally - 66 points.
What is more logic to happen this season - Ole turning it round and getting 4th or us waiting to be mathematically impossible to get 4th and sacking him when this season goes down the drain too - with the next manager in line without CL next year?
Would the more logical thing to do would be to try turning it around now, or after everything is lost? Didn't we see that more often than not? Rinse and repeat?
Because of others faltering - we just made it.
He proved last season he isn’t shit. Pure disrespect right there.
This. Word for word, is my opinion, put much more eloquently than I could manage. We know our owners/board are rotten, but it's possible to have more than one problem. At what point do we move from 'rebuilding' with Ole to 'kicking on' with a better manager? It really isn't hard to see Ole can't take us back to the top. I love the Man as a United legend and I'm as fanatic a United supporter as you can find, but I think this is a valid opinion to have.
Liverpool lost 7-2, so let's just take this whole round with a grain of salt. Shall we?
A couple more losses and Burnley will have had a better squad than ours.
How can you possibly say that, does it not count? Does the league only start in wk 11?
Crazy attitude just because the bbc never used to show a table till week 5 or so.
It doesn’t matter, we finished 3rd. Clubs faltering means teams took points off each other. We finished 3rd and reached 3 semi finals. The final table it what counts.
What do you get from looking at the table this early? Everton winning the league? Are they going to win it. Of course it’s worrying if the club are losing games. I never said that doesn’t count.
I would hope so, they have better first XIs and squads than we do at this moment in time. However, even City dropped points yet again this weekend with a silly error and poor play. My view is that the lack of time off and preseason is affecting teams that had to play late into last season. Not to mention the ridiculous off-the-field issues that the club have faced in the span of a month, wouldn't surprise me if Maguire's head is still stuck in a Greek prison. This team needs a mental recharge badly and quickly and the international break could not have come at a better time. If we are still having this conversation in December then by all means Ole has to go but you can't properly assess a situation without taking all the facts and context into account.
Some person said that Jonny Evans is first-choice defender at Leicester which makes my point about them having a better squad ridiculous. Let me ask folks this then, would you really take Lindelof over Evans? If the answer is yes then that tells me all I need to know.
Most of those dropped points came when he was having to play the likes of Lingard and Pereira at the same time as Fred and McTominay. Daniel James is also hardly the finished article and he played a lot of matches last season. Rashford and Martial were both out for decent chunks of last season too. It's surreal how people forget this stuff so quickly.
Can’t remember the game but at some point he made a point of saying his team would never lose the way we did again, I.e., zero commitment and throwing the towel in. That’s gone out the window again. The more it happens the more he’ll not be able to turn it around.
Felt really sorry for him at the end, looked absolutely shellshocked/resignation what it might inevitably mean. If he cant lay down the law with unpopular decisions, then he isnt the right man
I'm Ole in but unfortunately these are the facts.
No manager of Manchester United can survive this form continuing.
I want him to succeed but the reality is we are already chasing to get form.
Unfortunately as long as the United business continues to roll on then Woodward is here for the long haul.
Ole needs to get a grip quickly or we will have a new manager by Christmas. Sad but true.
- 9 points behind with 4 games gone
- Two home defeats in a row
No manager of Manchester United can survive this form continuing.
I want him to succeed but the reality is we are already chasing to get form.
Unfortunately as long as the United business continues to roll on then Woodward is here for the long haul.
Ole needs to get a grip quickly or we will have a new manager by Christmas. Sad but true.
We have started the season in an absolutely crap way. We got outplayed in last 3 matches in the league and were lucky to defeat Brighton who put 5 balls in the bar. The form has been degrading ever since the Villa match last season and we're just resuming from where we stopped. You're fine to think we're doing well but we're absolutely not. Won't even say how expectations have dropped to rock bottom that now top 4 with 66 points and trophyless season is considered doing well for United, and anyone asking for me is considered spoiled.
Criticizing fans because oh no they dare to question the manager or criticize him because we're shite is laughable. These fans endured so much crap for 7 straight years and now this is the 8th one. What, you expect them to clap their hands and sing "Ole's at the wheel" and "Glory glory Man United" while being crap, trophyless for 3 years in a row and losing 6 at home ? There has been LVG out and Mourinho out threads wide open here. All our 3 managers have been slaughtered. Ole isn't an exception.
If you can't endure a manager or players getting slaughtered because we're doing poor or lost 6 then internet is definitely not for you. You better stop following forums or social media and stick to just watching the match if reading the truth hurts you so much and you prefer to stay with your red tinted glasses. The fans have endured so much shite and have the right to moan, period.
Then why say not to look at it till week 10 if it counts? To shield you from our horrendous start to another season
After 3.5 years should we be playing like this? Really, he's had 4.5 years now and we are barely doing better than Liverpool in this round, looking back at history now that he's had 5.5 years go make his impact on the team and we really should have sold and bought more players in all that time.
Where is the coaching and patterns of play? He shouldn't need 7 years to put his impact on the team.
Where is the coaching and patterns of play? He shouldn't need 7 years to put his impact on the team.
Dreadful result, feels like crap. Let’s get the window and international break out of the way and go again!
With all due respect to Ole, he was the one who chose to loan Sanchez and Lukaku. It was well discussed at the time that he left himself short in attack and he said he has enough with what he has to continue. That points to poor planning.
You can also argue that Lingard under Jose was a completely different player to Lingard under Ole. In which case have you not thought that perhaps there could have been better application of Lingard under an experienced manager? And I'm sorry but Fred was one of the stronger performers of the season and McTominay wasn't bad at all. So you can't point to them as weak links. Chelsea themselves missed Kante for the most the season, they relied on Tammy Abraham for being a 9, and Pulisic had a few injuries on the road on top. Not to mention their defense was a far bigger joke than ours.
As for James well, he bought him. And if reports are to be believed he wants him gone already. Again - not astute in my opinion.
You don't know anything about my wishes mate
. I absolutely believe Ole should be sacked if we are in a similar position in December (even early December if you want to be impatient about it) to last season as we should be able to improve with a better first XI. With the context of a lack of rest and preseason though, we have to first see if the players can get back to where they were at the end of last season over the next few weeks before making the final judgement call.People have shit days. I watched us spank Arsenal 8-2 and then in the space of a month get done 6-1 by City. Bloody hell, Liverpool just got done 7-2 a couple hours after our game.
You can't look at these types of results as indicative of a team. If it was consistent 3-4 zip losses like it was under Moyes you could say we are shite and he hasn't got a clue, but it hasn't been that way.
Whatever is going on in our defensive setup at the moment needs to be sorted out and fast.
We’ve lost 2 games . It’s a poor start but not the first one we’ve had. Still early in the season. You keep an eye on the table if it makes you happy.
Desperation thread. Piss poor team managed by a piss poor coach. Nothing else to be said.
Did his job last year, deserves more than 3 games of the new season. I agree we don't look amazing at the moment, but there's freak results everywhere.
Let's see where we are closer to Christmas and then make a proper judgement. This season could very well be a total write-off anyway due to how it started.
It's like we're running 10km and we start 500m behind the rest, we're not going to catch up by the 1km mark, are we...
Let's see where we are closer to Christmas and then make a proper judgement. This season could very well be a total write-off anyway due to how it started.
It's like we're running 10km and we start 500m behind the rest, we're not going to catch up by the 1km mark, are we...
Who’s his coaches, Carrick? If we stick with Ole at least get him some world class help.
I've been Ole in and still think we won't improve anything by sacking him if changes are not made at the top. Director of football, etc...
Ole makes his mistakes for sure but those defensive mistakes today where players are just turning off their brain for a split second and get punished is no excuse.
Then you have Martial who should have signaled to the ref that he got elbowed instead of touching Lamela.
I think Ole's problem is that he's too much of a friend to these players. He needs to be more of a manager and start making them accountable for actions like today. At the end of the day I don't care either way. We're still going to be shit no matter who is in charge. I don't see Ole being sacked anytime soon unless we don't get results for a long string of games. We'll have the occasional 3 in a row win and all will be rosy again until the next loss or draw.
Ole makes his mistakes for sure but those defensive mistakes today where players are just turning off their brain for a split second and get punished is no excuse.
Then you have Martial who should have signaled to the ref that he got elbowed instead of touching Lamela.
I think Ole's problem is that he's too much of a friend to these players. He needs to be more of a manager and start making them accountable for actions like today. At the end of the day I don't care either way. We're still going to be shit no matter who is in charge. I don't see Ole being sacked anytime soon unless we don't get results for a long string of games. We'll have the occasional 3 in a row win and all will be rosy again until the next loss or draw.
Generally after 10 games or so you get somewhat of an idea of what the table may look like come the end of the season, hence why the poster said, look at the table after 10 games
Can I have a few doses of that delusional sentimentality?
I swear Ole-in fans literally can't tell that we're poorly coached.
Like I get that the board and owner is shit, but Ole isn't exactly pulling up trees by himself with a bunch of relegation standard players. Least we could demand is to see some semblance of attacking pattern to break down opponent defences and a well drilled defence that doesn't capitulate at every set piece.
But after nearly 2 years at the club, we're still seeing the same old shit football which is basically hope that one of our star players do some magic so we can get a goal. We're shit at breaking down opponents if it's not from a counter and that's a sign of poor coaching when you've the likes of Pogba and Bruno in the team.
And that's fine but you undermine that eminently reasonable stance by claiming ridiculous things like Leicester having a better squad than us.You don't know anything about my wishes mate
You have ignored what I have said. It is 3 league games into a bloody season! We have a manager who had a record of 3 defeats in 28 games before this.
People can moan all they want but you think personal attacks and nasty comments on the manager are justified. We’ve all been there over the past few years. You don’t suddenly win league titles after the dip we’ve had, it takes time to build your way up. We all expected a lot more coming into this season and it’s a poor start but it’s 3 game in. I’ve seen us get hammered before and it will happen again. I don’t have to throw my toys out of the pram like others have.
what I’m sick off is the whingers and the moaners going on about the same thing week and after week even when were doing well. Why bring the negativity into this thread. Go back and moan in the others.
This has been coming for a while now. We did very well for five games after lockdown but the performances against West Ham and Southampton towards the end were really poor. At the time it was played down as tiredness. We beat a depleted Leicester side and then stumbled through two Europa League games getting knocked out in the process. When you throw in a lack of signings this was writing on the wall really.
This is the worse it’s been under Ole because the players don’t look like they give a feck and that for me is that, because Ole’s saving grace was motivating this team and getting invidiauals to be confident and express themselves. There is zero tactical foundation to fall back on and so what we’re now left with is a disjointed mess, with players with no confidence who can’t be fecked.
It’s game over I’m afraid. Seen it so many times at so many clubs. There is no magic wand or fix. Signing back up players wont change that.
It's obvious it doesn't matter who the manager is at this point. Every manager has failed, and I still have no idea about the long-term plan for this club. Ole seems to have one, but Woodward isn't helping him achieve it.
Does anyone think Ole went into last season saying "Yeah, I want Bruno, but only for half the season. Why would we need a better attacking midfielder than Andreas or Pereira before January?" And he definitely didn't finish last season saying "Yeah, we got third, but we had to run our first eleven into the ground to do it because we have no quality in depth. Here's my list of targets to strengthen the team before next season. Please spend all your attention on my top target, but fail spectacularly and then panic on deadline day picking up backup options at the last minute so we have as little time as possible to integrate them into our squad."
Ed Woodward is a clown and a fraud. Any manager he brings in will fail because it's simply impossible to succeed under the current leadership. There's too much noise about his incompetence for it not to be a modicum of truth to it. Might as well keep the manager we have since we're doomed to be mediocre until the club is sold. At least Ole's a nice guy.
Does anyone think Ole went into last season saying "Yeah, I want Bruno, but only for half the season. Why would we need a better attacking midfielder than Andreas or Pereira before January?" And he definitely didn't finish last season saying "Yeah, we got third, but we had to run our first eleven into the ground to do it because we have no quality in depth. Here's my list of targets to strengthen the team before next season. Please spend all your attention on my top target, but fail spectacularly and then panic on deadline day picking up backup options at the last minute so we have as little time as possible to integrate them into our squad."
Ed Woodward is a clown and a fraud. Any manager he brings in will fail because it's simply impossible to succeed under the current leadership. There's too much noise about his incompetence for it not to be a modicum of truth to it. Might as well keep the manager we have since we're doomed to be mediocre until the club is sold. At least Ole's a nice guy.
Sanchez and Lukaku both wanted to leave the club, they have said as much. Tell me how keeping players who didn't want to be around would contribute to a winning culture at the club? When you talk about poor planning, Ole had been in the job for 6 months, how can you expect someone to fix an entire squad in one window with the owners and executives at United in charge?
Lingard was better before his personal life fell apart and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns it around to some degree. But lets be real, he is a limited player even on his best day and I remember people complaining all the time about his lack of end product even in his best moments at United.
And I'm sorry but Fred and McTominay both played in many of the matches where the team dropped points to lower sides last season. They only excelled in the big matches where there only responsibility was to track runners into the half-spaces, shield the back 4, and pick one pass to start a counterattack. They have shown nothing outside of that to me, absolutely nothing.
Ultimately I default to what I said in a previous post and will leave it there: Ole should be sacked if we have a similar points total in early to mid December as we did last season as by that point, the team will have had enough time to mentally recharge and get fully fit considering the lack of time off and preseason. The question about the manager though doesn't solve the key underlying issues at the club and until fans get serious about that and stop giving money to the club, nothing will change and this club won't win anything, even with a manager like Klopp or Pep.