Rate our (extended) Summer 2020 Transfer Window

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Genuinely can't be worse than the last summer window. Remember we spent a collective £150m on AWB, Harry Maguire & Dan James last summer.

The real damage was done last summer. We desperately needed a CB this summer, because the guy we broke the WR for is massively underwhelming and has an obvious weakness which needs to be desperately masked by signing an even better defender than him.

We need a RW because the RB we signed last summer offers absolutely nothing going forward - so we need a 'true winger' (the type that don't exist in the modern game) to replace one of our best players in Mason Greenwood.
 

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The additions look largely fine, not absolutely first rate, but each signing an upgrade on existing options.

The problem was the selling side of the ledger, Jones, Lingard, Romeo & James are still here.
 

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Missed out on our top 2 needs - a CB and a RW. The way the window was conducted is nothing short of disgraceful, but we did get good players. It's now on the manager to get the best out of his squad. Luckily Cavani has 2 weeks of only training before the next game, might just surprise us fitness wise. 5/10 imo. Over to you Ole...the knives are out!
 

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So, I’ll try to give my balanced assessment of the transfer window.

Let’s start with the outs:
  • Sanchez 10/10 – It’s a miracle we got him off the books.
  • Smalling 9/10 – Got a decent price, maybe not what we’d get if he’d gone to a PL club, but his heart was set on Roma, and he was a good servant to the club and I don’t have a bad word to say about Mike, I mean Chris. All the best.
  • 8/10 Loans for Chong, Periera and Dalot. I suppose some would’ve preferred permanents, but hopefully they’ll get some regular football, and improve and either we can sell them on for a decent fee or who knows maybe one impresses enough to come back and claim a slot.
Rating the not-outs (Unless a deal is made with championship teams):
  • NR (Not Rated) – Lingard. I personally think he’s running down his contract to go out on free transfer and maximize his salary, fair play to him. He gets a lot of stick, but he’s far and away not the worst player on our bench (not saying he’s United quality for a title winning team, mind) and he’s on the salary he is because when he get it his career looked like it was really taking off. It just never did. I doubt clubs would’ve come in for him, they’d be waiting to get him on a free next year. Hard to fault United here, there was probably little to no interest, and he’s an ok squad player for one more year. If his contract is extended this rating becomes “Fire and Brimstone/10”
  • NR - Phil. Poor Phil, injured again and apparently holding off on another surgery, in case he could recover and a buyer could be found. He was never going to end his contract, and it’d poor form for the club to terminate it (it’d cost a fortune and the club should support him and his recovery efforts to back up and playing again so it’s possible he could find a new club or fill in the squad). The real issue was his previous contract extension, which was the height of stupidity by the club and/or manager.
  • 1/10 – Rojo. Now I’m starting to get a little bit annoyed with the club. Apparently he was happy in Argentina and wanted to stay there. We bloody well should’ve found a way to make that happen, even if we did have to negotiate a pay-off. He really should have gone. Maybe something can still happen with Chinese or MLS club. Again, the real issue was his previous contract extension, which was the height of stupidity by the club and/or manager.
  • “Fire and Brimstone/10” – Romero. It makes absolutely no sense to keep a GK who won’t play, is obviously angry and upset with the club, and could possibly be disruptive or toxic. What’s the point here? Pay him and ask him not to show up for training because he could have gone to Everton or wherever. This makes no sense. We’re already paying close to half a million pounds a year for GKs in De Gea and Henderson (which is highly questionable in itself, mind). Maybe there will be a mutual termination or he’ll go to China, MLS or the Championship.
  • Other people may have wanted more outs, but I disagree and won’t cover those. If anything, I’d have tried to sell Bailly, too. Yes, even more than Lingard.
The Ins:

  • Van der Beek (8/10): Looks a tidy player so far and good coverage for Pogba/Bruno. The only problem is he looks like a luxury signing compared to other signings. If there is a plan, its that we want to ensure we keep an attacking presence in the midfield.
  • Telles (8/10): I personally think RB was a priority, unlike some, and he looks a really great option to challenge or replace Shaw.
  • Cavani (5/10): I’m hedging my bets because, maybe he’ll be a hit, or maybe he’ll bust. I think he’ll be better than Falcao and Higuain, but not Ibrahimović. Best case, I’m actually thinking about Giroud at Chelsea (I’d bump it up to a six or seven). Worst case, another Falcao (zero).
  • Traore (NR) – I simply don’t know enough. Will he be the next Ronaldo and we’ve played a blinder, or the next Memphis?
  • Pellistri (NR) – Again, just don’t know enough to rate this.
The not-ins:

Now, to be fair, one of the things I do really like is that Ole established a pretty clear best 11 for us by the end of last season, the first we’ve had since LvG, and one to be excited about:

GK: De Gea

LB: Shaw

CB: Maguire, Lindelöf

RB: AWB

MF: Matic, Pogba, Bruno

FWD: Rashford, Martial, Greenwood



And I would have ranked our priorities as:
  1. DM – Matic can’t (shouldn’t) play every week, and is getting older. We need a strong challenger here and I didn’t see Fred or McT filling it.
  2. RB – Oooh, controversial. I don’t trust Shaw, he’s always getting hurt, and Williams struggled at times.
  3. FWD – We needed someone to rotate with Greenwood, Rashford and Martial. I’m not so inclined to prefer a proper #10, as Ole has shown very little inclination to switch to a plan B (something that he can rightly be judged and criticized on)
  4. AMF – We needed someone to cover for Bruno and/or Pogba. If they are injured, our ability to dictate attacking from midfield dries up and we lose our edge.
So how did we do addressing these positions?
  • DM (“Fire and Brimstone/10”) – Nothing, nada, kaput. I’m very concerned about us going into the season with no clear backup or replacement if Matic gets hurt. This was poor, we have to hold our breaths and hope Fred, McT and Garner (is he still here or did he go on loan?) kick on.
  • RB (8/10) – Golf clap. Shaw either kicks on and stays healthy or it’s the Telles show.
  • FWD (6/10) – I avoided talking about it until now. Sancho would’ve made this a 9/10. Although I worry that some people were so convinced by Sancho that they’ve lost all perspective. Sancho is good, I’d have wanted him (still do), but … he’s not a sure thing like Ronaldo to Real Madrid yet. Heck, I’m not even sure he’s as sure a thing as Eden Hazard to Real Madrid. People have really gotten worked up and angry at this and some have lost all sense of perspective.
  • The guy on Sky Sports today said something that made the most sense, apparently we got a price from Dortmund, pre-COVID, and we went back and tried to negotiate that price down after COVID, but Dortmund was having none of it.
So we didn’t get Sancho, but we did get Pellistri, Traore and Cavani. Pellistri seems to be longer term project, Traore doesn’t arrive until Jan, and Cavani is Option B, I guess? It’s really hard to judge this one, we did reinforce the positions at least.

  • AMF (8/10) – Donny looks the business and should be a great rotation option for Bruno and Pogba, along with Fred and McT for Pogba.
However, something happened in the last few weeks… Our central defenders have seemingly crashed and burned. I think a lot of us went into the window after last season thinking, “Well, we have Maguire and Lindelöf, maybe we’ll get another young prospect to compete with Lindelöf, then we have Axel, Mengi, probably Bailly, maybe Phil can play a couple of games later in the season…”. We may still be over-reacting to the first few matches, but it looks like this could be really big issue. The club did not address it in the window, so far.

Other random thoughts:
  • People getting all wound-up that we didn’t sign some players until deadline day means we’re desperate or panic-buying should calm down. It makes sense to make some moves very late, so we strike immediately and don’t let other big clubs catch wind of our moves and give the selling clubs and agents time to start up a bidding war. Not all deadline day activity is desperation, some of it is a tactical advantage.
  • Cavani does look like a panic buy, though. Although who knows, maybe he and his agent were holding off til the last day to evaluate every option he had and choose the best for him.
  • The Dembele stuff, if true, looks like a truly catastrophic sign of panic buying and poor judgment that makes me really question WTF this club is doing.
Overall rating (6/10): Hard to argue with the outs, some of the Ins are exciting, but we didn’t get a DM or CB.
Absolutely convinced a DM/DLP goes to the top of our summer list when Ole realises he fecked up in not buying Partey.

There is no doubt we were far too slow in regards to a CB for Upamecano and let that decent release clause expire.
 

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Telles should be an upgrade over Shaw. Cavani is better than Ighalo no doubt. Amad Traore looks an exciting talent for RW position. We have bought cover for Bruno and Pogba in VDB. Pellistri can probably only replace James. However, we haven't addressed CB, CDM, starting RW. If Amad and Cavani becomes successful then this could probably become a 7/10 window however the chances are not that high. Also, we have done horribly when it comes to shifting deadwoods. Still need to spend big on CB and CDM next season. Compared to our rivals, we didn't show proper planning and wasted the window on chasing Sancho. Overall 4.5/10.
 

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Can Cavani play on the right or is he an out and out striker, I always thought striker but dont actually know.
 

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Missed out on our top 2 needs - a CB and a RW. The way the window was conducted is nothing short of disgraceful, but we did get good players. It's now on the manager to get the best out of his squad. Luckily Cavani has 2 weeks of only training before the next game, might just surprise us fitness wise. 5/10 imo. Over to you Ole...the knives are out!
Telles should be an upgrade over Shaw. Cavani is better than Ighalo no doubt. Amad Traore looks an exciting talent for RW position. We have bought cover for Bruno and Pogba in VDB. Pellistri can probably only replace James. However, we haven't addressed CB, CDM, starting RW. If Amad and Cavani becomes successful then this could probably become a 7/10 window however the chances are not that high. Also, we have done horribly when it comes to shifting deadwoods. Still need to spend big on CB and CDM next season. Compared to our rivals, we didn't show proper planning and wasted the window on chasing Sancho. Overall 5/10.
Too much faith in the likes of Axel/Mengi for CB and Fred/Scott for DM this season could cost both the team & Ole big time.

The quality of CB & DM available next summer won't be there if we end up back in Europa League either.
 

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For me, it hasn't been a very good window. Seems we have brought in one potential upgrade to the first team, in an attacking full back, some quality depth for attacking mid. Then it is an aging striker who doesn't improve the team, and a couple of kids who are more potential than actual ability at this point in time.

Getting the two young right wingers, also likely rules out us returning for Sancho, as it appears the strategy is to develop them now, instead of bringing him in.

It doesn't really feel like we have actually addressed to many of our weak areas, and the first team hasn't been improved, killing any momentum (the way the window played out didn't help either) we had from last season.

Compared to our rivals, I feel we have fallen further back and their is a strong possibility we don't make the top four this season.
 

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For me it’s anywhere from 4-7 depending solely on how Cavani performs.

If there was a Sancho, it would’ve been a 9 or 10 regardless of how Cavani performs.

I think VDB and Telles will both be good additions and don’t think will surprise. Whilst the x2 18yo are good enough signings with minimal expectations.
 

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For me, it hasn't been a very good window. Seems we have brought in one potential upgrade to the first team, in an attacking full back, some quality depth for attacking mid. Then it is an aging striker who doesn't improve the team, and a couple of kids who are more potential than actual ability at this point in time.

Getting the two young right wingers, also likely rules out us returning for Sancho, as it appears the strategy is to develop them now, instead of bringing him in.

It doesn't really feel like we have actually addressed to many of our weak areas, and the first team hasn't been improved, killing any momentum (the way the window played out didn't help either) we had from last season.

Compared to our rivals, I feel we have fallen further back and their is a strong possibility we don't make the top four this season.
I should hope not!

I believe we will adopt the same approach we had with Donny, Maguire and Bruno. Keep chasing after our targets until we can acquire for a reasonable price.

Sancho wants to come to Manchester United. I'm expecting us to seal the deal hopefully by next summer.
 

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I should hope not!

I believe we will adopt the same approach we had with Donny, Maguire and Bruno. Keep chasing after our targets until we can acquire for a reasonable price.

Sancho wants to come to Manchester United. I'm expecting us to seal the deal hopefully by next summer.
Gutted we couldn't get Dembele for a year due to his bloody stubborness
 

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Too much faith in the likes of Axel/Mengi for CB and Fred/Scott for DM this season could cost both the team & Ole big time.

The quality of CB & DM available next summer won't be there if we end up back in Europa League either.
Your first point is also my fear for this season. We simply need first team quality on both CB and CDM but we decided against spending on atleast one of these position. It looks like we are only interested spending big on young players so someone like Kounde and Zakaria would have been perfect for us but Woodward probably wants to save money with Mengi and Mctominay. Players that we currently have are simply not good enough but players like James, Lindelof, Fred can fetch good money which can be used to buy these targets. For some reasons, we are always late to sell our players and show too much emotional attachment to them. However, I think Europa League should not be an issue to sign these players (Partey joined Arsenal from ATM who are a guaranteed UCL team) but my biggest concern is we will probably waste next summer chasing Mbappe.
 

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overall its pretty crap

left it late and panic buying again, leaving Ole unprepared for the start of the season

we had a chance to kick on from the momentum we built but instead we brought it to a crashing halt
 

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I'll give it a C-.

Nice depth signings in VDB, Cavani, and Telles. Henderson in the first team is nice. But we're gonna have to revisit Cavani's position in a year's time and potential backup GK soon. The two young kids won't make a legitimate first team, let alone first XI impact in at least 2 or 3 years, especially with Greenwood and Rashford as the current wide forwards.

But as said, right forward and a third choice CB that could push for a starting position were not addressed. Same could be said for CDM, be we kind of thought that could be filled with Matic and Fred/McTominay....which is not ideal but okay, given that right forward was the priority be addressed.

To that, deadwood wasn't moved on. Lingard and Romero should have been sold for something or at least moved on in Romero's case because he deserves that. Jones, Rojo...still here. Good loans for Dalot, Pereria, Garner.

Then on top of that, every other team strengthened, some more than others and it overshadows United. And on top of that, United has had a bad start, even if it's only 3 PL matches. Just opens everything up to panic, more disappointment, and wayward blame.
 

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I'll give it a C-.

Nice depth signings in VDB, Cavani, and Telles. Henderson in the first team is nice. But we're gonna have to revisit Cavani's position in a year's time and potential backup GK soon. The two young kids won't make a legitimate first team, let alone first XI impact in at least 2 or 3 years, especially with Greenwood and Rashford as the current wide forwards.

But as said, right forward and a third choice CB that could push for a starting position were not addressed. Same could be said for CDM, be we kind of thought that could be filled with Matic and Fred/McTominay....which is not ideal but okay, given that right forward was the priority be addressed.

To that, deadwood wasn't moved on. Lingard and Romero should have been sold for something or at least moved on in Romero's case because he deserves that. Jones, Rojo...still here. Good loans for Dalot, Pereria, Garner.

Then on top of that, every other team strengthened, some more than others and it overshadows United. And on top of that, United has had a bad start, even if it's only 3 PL matches. Just opens everything up to panic, more disappointment, and wayward blame.
We had no intention of signing a CB once Upamecano extended and as for Matic being only DM in the squad well that is utterly ridiculous and very risky indeed.
 

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Gutted we couldn't get Dembele for a year due to his bloody stubborness
Would have been a good gamble but seems barca want to sell and not loan.

I’m fine with it and looking forward to seeing Traore or even pellestri stake their claim.

We do best when we sign young hungry players who are talented.
 

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Needed a CB badly and bottled it. Probably we should have got an upgrade on Matic as well but went for VdB (who I feel is a good buy).

Upgrade on Ighalo - good.

Telles - good thing about this signing is that Ole can now play 5 at the back and have some attacking push from the Wing back. So definitely adds something to the overall flexibility of the team.

RW - disappointing to miss out on Sancho

Overall 5/10.
 

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Would have been a good gamble but seems barca want to sell and not loan.

I’m fine with it and looking forward to seeing Traore or even pellestri stake their claim.

We do best when we sign young hungry players who are talented.
Obviously didn't want to join us enough
 

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Needed a CB badly and bottled it. Probably we should have got an upgrade on Matic as well but went for VdB (who I feel is a good buy).

Upgrade on Ighalo - good.

Telles - good thing about this signing is that Ole can now play 5 at the back and have some attacking push from the Wing back. So definitely adds something to the overall flexibility of the team.

RW - disappointing to miss out on Sancho

Overall 5/10.
Don't worry Ole will realise by the end of this season that Fred & Scott aren't able to cover Matic,in regards to a CB we seemed determined to give Axel & Mengi chances rather than get Dayot.
 

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We love deadlines, the timing is rubbish last minute like always bravo.

As for ratings... better give them at least 3 months of games.

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Okay additions - not signings that seeks to win the league at all, just long term targets (three) and one short term role. Another one is to give depth and competition.
 

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2/10. Very very poor. This Sancho saga was a complete joke. Can't get excited by our new signings, we did not get the players we needed. Don't have any expectations for the new season, with this board & owners we are a midtable club at best.
 

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8/10. We brought in players to add depth to the team, which was our target going into this summer. We bought smart, rather than throw ridiculous amount of cash on world class talent like we have been doing the past summer. We have fans on here that complain about £80m for Maguire. Could you imagine if we signed Sancho for £109m and he turned out to be a flop? Anyway, I am happy with it. MMM, will pull us through this season, if Ole gets his act together. Diallo and Pedistri are exciting prospects that shows good investment. They are one of the reason why I rated this window so highly.

DVDB, Cavani, and Telles are solid acquisition. We have been backed again.
 

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2 out of 10 at best - and that's because VDB I think will be an excellent signing.

That we did everything last minute was just pathetic. Couldn't sell players, couldn't loan them out and then buying the likes of Telles and Cavani at the death when they could have been closed ages ago. Telles as the very least should have been independent of Sancho. Even if Cavani was only if we could not get Sancho or maybe Dembele, club should have put a timeline on when they should have at least brought in Cavani
 

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We love deadlines, the timing is rubbish last minute like always bravo.

As for ratings... better give them at least 3 months of games.

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2 out of 10 at best - and that's because VDB I think will be an excellent signing.

That we did everything last minute was just pathetic. Couldn't sell players, couldn't loan them out and then buying the likes of Telles and Cavani at the death when they could have been closed ages ago. Telles as the very least should have been independent of Sancho. Even if Cavani was only if we could not get Sancho or maybe Dembele, club should have put a timeline on when they should have at least brought in Cavani
I will give it 4/10 for now but could be bumped up if Telles & Cavani build up an understanding over the season which could happen.

There is no doubt missing out on three starter positions in this window (CB,DM,RW) was just not good enough.

I threw in the first two positions when Upamecano didn't happen and Matic signed new deal but still a joke Ole has so much blind faith. I really believed right up until last night we could still get a RW though but no joy.
 

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We failed to address our greatest deficiencies — RW and CB — but we were able to add a bit of depth, though that’s mitigated by our inability to clear out more of the deadwood.

This already has the look and smell of a season that will end with Ole being sacked, so it may well work out in the end that the new manager will be given the opportunity to bring in the 2-3 starters we needed now to strengthen the squad.

C+
 

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So many with absolutely zero clue how good Cavani is, absolutely shocking. Instantly United's best striker once up to speed, can't believe i've read the word depth so much regarding him and even "at least he's better than Ighalo" :eek:
 

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So many with absolutely zero clue how good Cavani is, absolutely shocking. Instantly United's best striker once up to speed, can't believe i've read the word depth so much regarding him and even "at least he's better than Ighalo" :eek:
Yeah I am looking forward to seeing him too and has been linked to you guys in the past
 

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We failed to address our greatest deficiencies — RW and CB — but we were able to add a bit of depth, though that’s mitigated by our inability to clear out more of the deadwood.

This already has the look and smell of a season that will end with Ole being sacked, so it may well work out in the end that the new manager will be given the opportunity to bring in the 2-3 starters we needed now to strengthen the squad.

C+
He is gone if we don't get top 4 I honestly believe that,also cannot afford any more heavy league defeats either
 

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Chelsea being a 10/10 and Fred and Dalot summer being 1/10 Id say 3/10.

The youngsters are a gamble and I frankly dont have much faith on our current coaching team on developing them properly.

Telles is the only one I think can truely nail a starting place in the XI.

Cavani I think will be our brand new Alexis/Schweinsteiger, again we signed someone because of his name. He had a terrible year last season, hasnt played in 7 months, the Uruguayan coach just said he's on shirty form, he's injury prone. I mean what the actual feck.
 

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I think we have made some decent signings to be fair. EVERYONE wanted Sancho, and we didnt get him so we are all a bit deflated about that. I think we will see the use of the diamond a lot this season with the signings we did make.
*DVB is far too good to be getting only 10 mins of game time a week, he needs to play and if Ole doesnt drop Pogba in our next game after his woeful start to the season, then the question has to be asked.... Why on earth did we buy him?
*Telles is an upgrade on Shaw.
*Cavani.... hard not to feel negative about this signing.
*Pellestri - i know absolutely nothing about him but his Youtube highlights reel does not impress me that much.
*Traore - Looks to have all the potential in the world. Could be a master stroke!

That said, the positions we have ignored or failed to strengthen could mean that the signings we didnt make will cost us more than what our new signings will bring!
 

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2/10

Our best signing VDB is probably.in the position we are strongest and shouldn't have been a high priority.

Telles can be a good signing but unproven in the league and comes in far too late.

Cavani, I have never really been a fan, works hard but misses too many chances for me and isn't top bracket. I think it's a lot to ask at 33 to come.to the premier League and make a significant impact, a very temporary sidewards step.

The two young lads, don't know anything about them but we needed impact now to steer out young team in the right direction and bring some leadership.

Added to all my points our rivals have done fantastic business and in a summer we should have narrowed the gap, it seems rather it has never been bigger.

Very disappointed . Seeing people in this thread giving 5 - 7 I think is absolutely crazy. The players we have bought in + timing + rivals makes this our worst window in recent history.
 

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2/10 for me. We addressed none of the positions needed with players for the starting 11. RW, CB, DM.

I’ve watched Cavani for the last 2 seasons in France and he is a shadow of his former self. While good, VDB is for a position we didn’t need filling. 2 youngsters who are very very raw. Telles is the only arguable upgrade.

All also left to deadline day.

Appalling for a club of our stature, and reeks of Total lack of vision and
 

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Hard to judge because it feels like we've failed to strengthen the first XI in the areas that needed strengthening.
If Telles cements a first XI place and gives us a more attacking outlet on the left flank, it will look better, but if he's backup to Shaw we'll be facing the same problems as last season the majority of the time.
Cavani is an improvement on James and Ighalo, whichever position he plays, so he improves the squad on paper, but what will his injury record be like?
VDB is a good player, but at this point it looks like he'll be a rotation player. I also have doubts that we'll get the best out of him.

The ones I'm excited about are Diallo and Pellistri, but that's because I view them as future potential. They don't really feel the need we have for this season, but I'm always in favour of us bringing in exciting prospects for the future. I want us to get the Sanchos before they have a £100m price-tag on their heads.

At this point in time I think 5/10, because it could easily go either way. I know that's true of any transfer window, but normally you have a clearer idea of whether signings are likely to flop or succeed.
 

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Right now I'll give it a 4/10.

We needed a CB, LB, DM, RW, ST and we got LB, AM, ST and 2 youngsters.

This concerning for me.
 

MissKatie

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Suprisingly pleased. Once it was clear we weren't getting Sancho and after the VdB signing I expected that would be it and the old "happy with the squad" mantra to be rolled out.

So to sign a lett back with a wonderful record, an aging but legendary striker and two very exciting future players on the last day really made me smile.

Worst case scenario is that Cavani is rubbish and leaves in a season anyway.
 

gza the genius

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4/10

Only Telles makes our strongest 11. Van de Beek adds some much needed depth and central midfield looks strong. Huge question marks over Cavani's fitness, role in the team and cost to us. Two kids who most people have barely heard of.

Then when you consider we only managed to sell ONE player, a player who could quite easily start in our best 11, it's a shocking summer.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I am excited about Diallo and Pellistri but they should've been in addition to an actual right winger - we've somehow managed to make fun purchases like this seem depressing.