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If Martial is not good enough to be in our XI because he is not world class, then we need another new 7-8 first team world class players.
Absolute nonsense.I think that is a weak argument, but if I extend your logic Neville should be more critical about AWB or Shaw or Maguire. Dont hear that either.
Only Martial is expected to e world class from Scholes and co, the rest can continue to be mediocre without any criticism.
I dont mind Scholes calling out Martial because he isnt world class. But be consistent, and keep that same energy while criticizing the other mediocrity in our squad
Kane or Haaland . But he also said along with others that we were chasing the wrong players.That's not what he meant though. He wants the money on Kane.
he's absolutely right about Martial - I've been saying that for two years. He may score some great goals but he is not an out-and-out centre forward/goal scorer@ the Martial comments
And didn't take any penalties. Imagine if he took penalties we're talking about golden boots all of a sudden.Seeing as he's not a striker, how did he manage to con 23 goals & finish as our top scorer playing as a No. 9 then?
Considering Martial, Rashford and Greenwood scored 9 goals more combined than the PL Champions Liverpool last season, I don't think he or they are the problem stopping us here.
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So he has criticised Lindelof. But Lindelof is not the only player who is not world class/quality of players Scholes used to play with. Shaw is not as good as Irwin/Evra. Matic, Fred, Pogba are not as good as Keane, Carrick, Scholesy etc. Maguire is not as good as Rio or Vidic.Absolute nonsense.
Just google “Paul Scholes criticises...” You’ll find it hard to find a player he hasn’t laid into at one point.
Plus the idea that you have to rip into every single player in our squad to point out our striker isn’t good enough is just nonsense. The striker is the most high profile position on the pitch, so will always trigger the most discussion and debate.
He’s just not a goal scoring CF and never will be. He’ll score goals, but we’re talking PL players like Kane, Aguero, Vardy, and going back further with players like Shearer, Drogba, RVP. Martial is simply not that type of player.If Martial is not good enough to be in our XI because he is not world class, then we need another new 7-8 first team world class players.
Sure Martial is not a world class player. And Matic, Fred, McT, Pogba are not as good as the likes of Scholes, Keane, Viera, Fabregas, Kante, Toure etc. Shaw, AWB are not as good as Irwin, Evra, Cole, TAA etc. Maguire and Lindelof are not as good as Vidic, Rio, Terry, VVD etc.He’s just not a goal scoring CF and never will be. He’ll score goals, but we’re talking PL players like Kane, Aguero, Vardy, and going back further with players like Shearer, Drogba, RVP. Martial is simply not that type of player.
Now you can argue whether it’s a correct assertion that a top team needs a classic goal scorer or not, but Martial is missing too much from his game to be in that bracket. Doesn’t mean he’s not a great player, but it’s a really hard argument to make if you want to convince someone that we wouldn’t be winning more games with an actual proper goal scorer like Kane up top.
This is called whataboutery.I think that is a weak argument, but if I extend your logic Neville should be more critical about AWB or Shaw or Maguire. Dont hear that either.
Only Martial is expected to e world class from Scholes and co, the rest can continue to be mediocre without any criticism.
I dont mind Scholes calling out Martial because he isnt world class. But be consistent, and keep that same energy while criticizing the other mediocrity in our squad
Your argument here is so weird. Scholes was talking to a journalist about the Sancho transfer. He was making the point we have similar players already. But we lack a focal point. A proper number 9. He’s not wrong. Martial’s shown glimpses of being that player last season but has reverted to type in our opening games of this season. All of which is particularly galling considering we tried and failed to sign the best young number 9 in world football right now, for a fraction of the price we’d have to pay to sign Sancho.So he has criticised Lindelof. But Lindelof is not the only player who is not world class/quality of players Scholes used to play with. Shaw is not as good as Irwin/Evra. Matic, Fred, Pogba are not as good as Keane, Carrick, Scholesy etc. Maguire is not as good as Rio or Vidic.
Its different standards for different players. Plain and simple. Scholes being critical of Lindelof proves nothing really. I like Keane in that regard, he dishes it out to everyone, and is not biased towards english players like G.Nev is.
To elaborate, our squad right now has some gaping holes. CB. DM. Paul' Pogba's future up in the air. Yet Scholes decides to criticise the player who was our top 3 players last season. Rather than the other countless players who are mediocre every week. Its absurd. Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Bruno...these are players who ARE performing/have last season.
Yes it’s a bit misleading. As far as I read before he studied to become a marketing expert, which he was then employed as and worked his way up to CEO. Marc Overmars is the DoF. It’s irritating that people don’t get the distinctionVDS isn't a DOF at Ajax.
He's correct.@ the Martial comments
Especially when it's been made somewhat public knowledge for atleast a year now in the football circles.Yes it’s a bit misleading. As far as I read before he studied to become a marketing expert, which he was then employed as and worked his way up to CEO. Marc Overmars is the DoF. It’s irritating that people don’t get the distinction
Why? Liverpool do alright without one.He's correct.
The games this season you can see him wandering outside of the box too much, trying to pick the ball up in the middle of the park.
We need a Lukaku, van Nistelroy, Cole, etc style target man who just works in the 18-yd box
Edit* just remembered we got Cavani
Love this post.Just another ex player who can't just disappear with the millions they made. They have to linger and spout shite to stay relevant.
He’s still wrong. He studied marketingPeople must be awfully wound up on here to be nitpicking that Scholes referred to VDS as Ajax's DOF. I think it's clear that he is referring to the fact that Utd would benefit from having him in charge of making all football related decisions at the club instead of Woodward and co. You can call that position whatever you want, but I think its quite clear what he is referring to.
So?He’s still wrong. He studied marketing
If I'm a fanboy, are you a hater? Lets not resort to namecalling.This is called whataboutery.
Scholes has not even criticized Martial. He just said he is not a proper centre forward and we need one.
But then, fanboys will be fanboys after all.
Yeah and its a bad argument, because Sancho is nothing like Rashford, Martial or Greenwood. Sancho is a creative forward, while the other 3 are better at finishing moves than creating opportunities. Its true we dont have an out and out striker, like Cavani is. Maybe that's why we got him. But its not an either or.Your argument here is so weird. Scholes was talking to a journalist about the Sancho transfer. He was making the point we have similar players already. But we lack a focal point. A proper number 9. He’s not wrong. Martial’s shown glimpses of being that player last season but has reverted to type in our opening games of this season. All of which is particularly galling considering we tried and failed to sign the best young number 9 in world football right now, for a fraction of the price we’d have to pay to sign Sancho.
I really hope so. There were superstars in his own playing days that had bad spells. Hope Martial rubs on his face. I still love him as a player though, hate him as a pundit. Over critical and always too judgmental.Hope martial makes him look like an idiot again this season.
We do, but not blowing a whole budget on one where there are glaring gaps in the rest of the team. It's the VDS comment that gets me, another one who doesn't realise that he is not the DOF at Ajax.I think He’s spot on about everything bar Sancho.
How any United fan or ex-player or pundit can’t see that we’re screaming out for a natural RW is beyond me
Sorry but Bruno is not world class. His weaknesses are too glaring. We don't have any world class players which is fair considering where we are. I have no idea what Greenwood potential is or if we can say it is world class or not. He certainly has world class finishing potential.Sure Martial isnt world class, but we have another 10 players in our first XI, and only one is a world class player(Bruno), and one has world class potential(Greenwood). So there are basically 8 other players who are not world class, but all we hear about from the likes of Scholes is about Martial, and not about Maguire or Shaw not being as good as Ferdinand or Evra.
Agreed but like the manager situation, we’ve needed a good one since Ronaldo left.We do, but not blowing a whole budget on one where there are glaring gaps in the rest of the team. It's the VDS comment that gets me, another one who doesn't realise that he is not the DOF at Ajax.
Every season Kane gets a free pass for his usual poor start. Not Martial though.I really hope so. There were superstars in his own playing days that had bad spells. Hope Martial rubs on his face. I still love him as a player though, hate him as a pundit. Over critical and always too judgmental.
Ok this isn’t related to the thread but.... Why do you have a trophy/star? How did you get it? What did you do to achieve it ?
If Dortmund weren't asking such stupid money I would not have a problem signing him. The pressure is now on Sancho to keep his value. Any drop in form and his value will drop. There must be an alternative just in case.Agreed but like the manager situation, we’ve needed a good one since Ronaldo left.
I whole-heartedly stand by the decision not to sign Sancho in hindsight but it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have solved a massive problem for us.
Probably because you are in a Manchester United forum.Every season Kane gets a free pass for his usual poor start. Not Martial though.
Noobs.You're right. He was just two to five times better and still is.
He didnt say that though. He just said he isn't the type to be played down the middle as a striker in a front 3. He was a left winger before that and that may still be his best positionIf Martial is not good enough to be in our XI because he is not world class, then we need another new 7-8 first team world class players.
I'm talking media/pundits.Probably because you are in a Manchester United forum.
Yes. United have needed a total revamp and massive increase in player quality for best part of a decade.If Martial is not good enough to be in our XI because he is not world class, then we need another new 7-8 first team world class players.
Every year there’s some competition on who was the worst poster, best, etc. Obviously they were wrong in giving me this award, but Feck’em. I don’t know if there’s going to be another comp this year though.I really hope so. There were superstars in his own playing days that had bad spells. Hope Martial rubs on his face. I still love him as a player though, hate him as a pundit. Over critical and always too judgmental.
Ok this isn’t related to the thread but.... Why do you have a trophy/star? How did you get it? What did you do to achieve it ?
I'm not going to disagree with you there.Sorry but Bruno is not world class. His weaknesses are too glaring. We don't have any world class players which is fair considering where we are. I have no idea what Greenwood potential is or if we can say it is world class or not. He certainly has world class finishing potential.
You think Martial is better as a LW than as a CF? Interesting, not sure if I agree with that, but I can get why you say that. I think he will thrive as a Left forward, similar to how say Henry used to play. Not sure if he is a touchline hugging winger though. There were a lot of people calling for Martial to be played down the middle, when we had Lukaku, and the argument was Martial is a lethal finisher, and last season he has shown marked improvement in holding up play. I would give him another season through the centre, and see if Cavani plays the role better, before moving him to the left again.He didnt say that though. He just said he isn't the type to be played down the middle as a striker in a front 3. He was a left winger before that and that may still be his best position
He didn’t “study to become a director of football”
Well thats what I mean, the left forward like Rashford wants to play. Thats where he was before and its arguable that he was just as good there as he was through the middle last season because he essentially does the same thing and plays off the left anyway. That tends to be where he scores from the same as Rashford, picking the ball up towards the left and working towards the box and getting a shot awayYou think Martial is better as a LW than as a CF? Interesting, not sure if I agree with that, but I can get why you say that. I think he will thrive as a Left forward, similar to how say Henry used to play. Not sure if he is a touchline hugging winger though. There were a lot of people calling for Martial to be played down the middle, when we had Lukaku, and the argument was Martial is a lethal finisher, and last season he has shown marked improvement in holding up play. I would give him another season through the centre, and see if Cavani plays the role better, before moving him to the left again.
Mate I'am a Martial fan. He is not a Centre forward.It will come to a point when United buy let's say Sancho and Haaland, Martial will have to find a new club.You think Martial is better as a LW than as a CF? Interesting, not sure if I agree with that, but I can get why you say that. I think he will thrive as a Left forward, similar to how say Henry used to play. Not sure if he is a touchline hugging winger though. There were a lot of people calling for Martial to be played down the middle, when we had Lukaku, and the argument was Martial is a lethal finisher, and last season he has shown marked improvement in holding up play. I would give him another season through the centre, and see if Cavani plays the role better, before moving him to the left again.