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Gorgeous goal
To be fair we've pretty much smashed most buses parked in front of us since February.This was just an innovative counter-attack. We are good at those. What we are poor at is making similar innovative passes and movements to break down parked buses.
Exactly. We also had a lovely worked goal in the first half disallowed.Watch the 3rd goal. 22 passes over 50s before AWB scores. 16 of those 22 passes were two touches or less. If that's not a build up play, nothing else is!!!
But that doesnt suit the Ole out narrative of he cannot break teams down.Watch the 3rd goal. 22 passes over 50s before AWB scores. 16 of those 22 passes were two touches or less. If that's not a build up play, nothing else is!!!
Finally somebody with the same wavelength as I. I actually started a thread saying we have no patterns of play whatsoever. But sometimes we come up with such beautiful goals. Imagine only if we were coached to play a certain way and these talents would just mesmerize opponents every time. I only wish we are coached to play in certain patterns and then decide to take it on one step further in parts of the pitch.No patterns of play... Yet we keep scoring these kind of goals?
I was thinking that too!Watch the 3rd goal. 22 passes over 50s before AWB scores. 16 of those 22 passes were two touches or less. If that's not a build up play, nothing else is!!!
Yeah...people in here talking as if we’re Bolton Wanderers.This was just an innovative counter-attack. We are good at those. What we are poor at is making similar innovative passes and movements to break down parked buses.
The last sentence of this is the most telling and the camera angle in the first post shows it perfectly.People saying that Mata has no pace. He started that Move in our D. And when Bruno slotted the ball into the net, he was the furthest forward teammate. Pogba was ambling 10 yards behind him.
Again, third goal?Yeah...people in here talking as if we’re Bolton Wanderers.
Like us putting together passes and running should be commended and salivated, get a fecking grip.
We’ve got very very good footballers playing for us, capable of doing things like this. It was a great counter attacking goal but how this somehow means the question marks against our coaching was wrong and this proves it is a bit of a simple outlook.
Like you said, it’s being able to break down parked buses that are the concerns. I’ll add to that, press resisting and basically doing things that ALTER the oppositions moves/tactics etc. That is a sign of good coaching.
A counter attacking goal late in a game when there are giant spaces available for top class players like Rashford, Bruno, Van Der Beek and Mata is not a conclusive sign of great coaching.
What this emphatically tells you is our players are very capable of quick passing, decision making and movement which then makes it astonishing that we can’t do things like press a team, resist a press and break down stubborn defences. It shows we’re not drilled enough in these aspects to get them done as they are far more difficult than countering.
The goal we scored after we’d just completely flattened them with the late winner?Again, third goal?
We are not poor at that at all. Stop making stuff upThis was just an innovative counter-attack. We are good at those. What we are poor at is making similar innovative passes and movements to break down parked buses.
It’s the kind of goal Ole wants us to score too and most importantly, you can find plenty of goals like that with this team. But none of those goals suit the narrative so we talk about counter attacking and what not... really naive here.The goal we scored after we’d just completely flattened them with the late winner?
Look at Newcastle’s positioning and how much they’re trying to get to the ball.
Look , we have good football players, we are going to score good goals and play good football, it’s a given.
There is a bigger picture here...
Natural creative players with good visions, technical skills and quick attacking instincts.No patterns of play... Yet we keep scoring these kind of goals?
Thank you. You are exactly the type of poster I wanted to respond to this.Natural creative players with good visions, technical skills and quick attacking instincts.
~ Bruno, Mata, VDB and even Rashford have been upping up his playmaking-ish games since last season.
Still individual reliance, no coached patterns of play.
You know it's only recently I've heard this term patterns of play. Similar to the commonly used phrase low blocks. What are patterns of play. I'm not very smart on this topic that apparently has been around foreverNatural creative players with good visions, technical skills and quick attacking instincts.
~ Bruno, Mata, VDB and even Rashford have been upping up his playmaking-ish games since last season.
Still individual reliance, no coached patterns of play.
Mata's top speed is fine he's just slow to accelerate which is usually an issue when stuck out wide.People saying that Mata has no pace. He started that Move in our D. And when Bruno slotted the ball into the net, he was the furthest forward teammate. Pogba was ambling 10 yards behind him.
Or maybe he already saw 4 attacking players ahead of him and thought it would be better to hold the shape and not over commit the team?The last sentence of this is the most telling and the camera angle in the first post shows it perfectly.
Pogba is the only one of our attacking 5 at the time who wasn’t involved. Why?? Because he didn’t set off from anything more than a trot until the ball was on the halfway line.
He’s a liability and doesn’t offer anything going forward. Our best football never includes him.
Sorry to put a negative post in this thread but he angers me and I watched the video for the umpteenth time to see where Pogba was in all of the passage.
Exceedingly good goal
‘These days’ have been long.Mata's top speed is fine he's just slow to accelerate which is usually an issue when stuck out wide.
Or maybe he already saw 4 attacking players ahead of him and thought it would be better to hold the shape and not over commit the team?
Not everybody has to be sprinting towards the goal you know any reason to bash him these days.
Gonna sound like I’m repeating myself but we have good football players capable of producing excellent moments with excellent phases of play. Do people think we’ll go through the season scoring zero goals and putting together zero decent moves? And when we do suddenly Ole and the rest of our team are great coaches?It’s the kind of goal Ole wants us to score too and most importantly, you can find plenty of goals like that with this team. But none of those goals suit the narrative so we talk about counter attacking and what not... really naive here.
Yes please, focus on the big picture. Look how the team is executing those goals. There is a pattern and an intention of play that is clear.
That's the jewel in the crown for me too. Decisive, simple, and elegantly done. Bruno's finish is an absolute stonker though. It's a great goal.Beautiful counterattack. Have to highlight Matas first touch and cross even though every pass and the runs were very good.
Right, I am curious too. It seems that Ian Wright used it because of the CP game.You know it's only recently I've heard this term patterns of play. Similar to the commonly used phrase low blocks. What are patterns of play. I'm not very smart on this topic that apparently has been around forever
I feel like I am talking to a wall but there are 2 things.Gonna sound like I’m repeating myself but we have good football players capable of producing excellent moments with excellent phases of play. Do people think we’ll go through the season scoring zero goals and putting together zero decent moves? And when we do suddenly Ole and the rest of our team are great coaches?
It’s called using a bigger sample size. The goal isn’t to play well and play good football every 1 in 5 games because guess what? there are teams out there better than Newcastle and when we play these teams we need more in our armoury to be able to get consistent results.
We need to be able to do something about repeatedly losing at home to Crystal Palace because were too uninventive and lazy to pull apart their parked bus.
We need to be able to do something about always struggling against Southampton’s heavy press. Shit like this.
Honestly if you guys genuinely think Ole, Carrick, McKenna and Phelan are doing their maximum with these players and that we’re going to win big trophies under them at some point, then I advise preparing for massive disappointment.
Think we just have to agree to disagree, mainly because I think we have different expectancy and standards. I’m not one of those United fans who feels 3rd with 66 points and 18 wins from 38 games is an achievement as such with about a dozen good performances thrown in and I don’t think it constitutes “winning a lot of games”. Weve won less than half of our league games Under this regime but ok... Anyway I feel it is the bare minimum.I feel like I am talking to a wall but there are 2 things.
1/ The form is sustainable, the results were getting better in the second half last season and before Bruno joined. It was building up. And when I say better, it means that we simply didn't lose and kept a winning streak. A very long one.
2/ The start of this season is not the end of the world, considering the preseason issue. What's clear is that:
- 8 of the top 10 teams had a proper preseason with 4/5 training games. That started around the time we played Seville.
- Liverpool in 3rd apparently had 1 or 2 weeks more than us.
- City in 10th had the same preparation as we had.
We win our game in hand, we will close up to them in no time.
We have not lost our identity acquired during last season and giving us winning streak all of sudden, but we are going to need time to build up match fitness to play the way we want.
Honestly, if you think we have not acquired a very strong identity off and on the ball and do not see our winning streak (I mean, at this point, I have to imagine numbers and facts don't matter to you if you cannot see how a team that had such a bad start could finish 3rd), then I advise you to prepare yourself for a massive, but massive disappointment as United under Ole will win a lot of games.
I was thinking that too!
Was hoping @GifLord would provide a clip of the entire 22 pass move leading to Wan-Bissaka's goal. Everyone is going on about Fernandes' goal, rightly so, but our third one at Newcastle was a superb team goal too. That seems to have gotten lost in amongst the Ole can only counter narrative of some people e.g. Miguel Delaney.
@GifLord do you have the 3rd goal from when we gained possession of the ball? (so all 20 odd passes or whatever)
Thanks mate
I don't think that was as impressive as it sounds. There was a lot of unprogressive back and forthing that nearly lead to a Maguire losing possession.Watch the 3rd goal. 22 passes over 50s before AWB scores. 16 of those 22 passes were two touches or less. If that's not a build up play, nothing else is!!!