Well, firstly I think we can get 10 more points than last season and I do not think it will take 99 points to win the league, so its a bit of both,
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Build. On. This. Our confidence should be sky high. We've got the players to beat literally any team. Go out and show everyone, Ole.
Exactly, I don't know if we'll see any team getting above 90 for a while and certainly not this year.
I hate people like you.
We really need a win against Arsenal to keep this going. Let's hope there's no hangover.
This is actually a very important game. We have seen Ole pull these results and performances and then go and get 2/3 ok results. We need to have the same intensity in every game and there shouldnt be any excuse this season because we have a squad.
We benched Bruno and Rashford, two players that always play under Ole. It wasn't like this was a mediocre team we played either.
The good thing coming out of the game, Ole knows there are players he can trust.
We're talking about an unbeaten run that stretches over more than one third of an entire season, during which they did better than any other team in the PL. "Easy run", "not as good as people think" and "not convinced" doesn't seem like much to put against that.
I like how we put teams to the sword a lot more often now. Under LvG and Mourinho we barely ever touched 5 goals in a game, I remember how envious I was of City and Liverpool smashing teams semi-regularly. Since Solskjaer took over we've scored 5 or more 6 times:
- Cardiff (A) 1-5
- Bournemouth (H) 5-2
- Tranmere (A) 0-6
- Brugge (H) 5-0
- LASK (A) 0-5
- RB Liepzig (H) 5-0
We have been on runs like this before since we signed Bruno last year we won 32 pts from 14 games. Last year during Ole's first run we got 32 pts from 12 games (also unbeaten) and by our 14th game we had 35pts and 1 loss. Our run last season was actually better but did that run mean we were the best team in the league, simply because of great form over 14 games? no because we then collapsed and finished 30pts off the leaders despite having more pts than anyone bar Liverpool during our run. I believe we had a similar run under Jose. A great run over 12-14 games mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of things and could simply be a bounce or purple patch.
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Interesting observation, just checked it out. See below:
Surprised that Ole has almost managed the same amount of games as LvG.
Interesting observation, just checked it out. See below:
| Stat | Ole | Jose | LvG | Moyes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Games | 99 | 144 | 103 | 51 |
| 3 Goals | 19 | 16 | 22 | 8 |
| 4 Goals | 6 | 16 | 3 | 5 |
| 5 Goals | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 6 Goals | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Surprised that Ole has almost managed the same amount of games as LvG.
Yeah, in 5 games. Genius.
Very nice, but man... 4-0 FC under Jose really was a thing eh?
Weirdly though, if you sum up all the games where we scored 3 or more goals and then divided that number by total games managed. Ole is top on 31%, Moyes second on 27% (
), LVG 3rd on 25% and Jose bottom with 22%.That is quite interesting. I'll very excited to see what Solskjaer's looks like when he reaches the same amount of games as Mourinho got.
After 5 games, and City are 1 point ahead in 13th. Its been a unique start to the season, both Manchester clubs have games in hand over the others (bar villa and burnley). Both winning can put us in 5th/7th, level on points with others. All it takes is some consistency. We have the squad and we have the starting 11 quality. The start to the season was fecked with no pre season/shit window before deadline day/whatever else, but now we are belatedly getting everyone fit and ready. It's a weird year, but why wouldn't we have a chance? We haven't had a squad of this quality since United 2006-09 IMO. Obviously Ole is no Fergie, but the goal is always to have a squad that can compete whatever the manager, and now I think we can do that.
This team isn't at it's peak at all, our best attackers are 22, 24 and 19. We should theoretically begin our peak next season.
Surely you have to add the one and two nil wins otherwise it's just some random statistic? Like saying Jose won over 50% of our 4-0 wins...Weirdly though, if you sum up all the games where we scored 3 or more goals and then divided that number by total games managed. Ole is top on 31%, Moyes second on 27% (
I think tracking win rates, Ole is still dead even with Moyes in the PL and CL. Would be interesting if someone can work out goals scored versus against as well.
We have scored 5 goals in a game 5 times under Ole? Or am I reading the stats wrong?
I have the complete fixture history on my computer, it's quick to do. It's not overly random stats as it's showing how many times we scored a specific number of goals, what it tells us is that 31% of Oles results has us scoring 3 goals or more. Those are the scorelines that we should concentrate on rather than the conventional 1/2 goals a game scoreline.
Table Below is Champions League Football:
| Manager | Games | Win % | W | D | L | CS | GF | GA | GD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Moyes | 10 | 50% | 5 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 17 | 9 | 8 |
| LVG | 6 | 33% | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 7 | 0 |
| Jose | 14 | 57% | 8 | 2 | 4 | 7 | 20 | 9 | 11 |
| Ole | 6 | 50% | 3 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 10 | 8 | 2 |
This Table is Europa and Champions League Football:
| Manager | Games | Win % | W | D | L | CS | GF | GA | GD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Moyes | 10 | 50% | 5 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 17 | 9 | 8 |
| LVG | 10 | 30% | 3 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 14 | 13 | 1 |
| Jose | 29 | 62% | 18 | 5 | 6 | 15 | 45 | 17 | 28 |
| Ole | 18 | 61% | 11 | 2 | 5 | 9 | 35 | 14 | 21 |
Champions League Fixtures:
| Moyes | H | Bayer 04 Leverkusen | 4:2 |
| Moyes | A | Shakhtar Donetsk | 1:1 |
| Moyes | H | Real Sociedad | 1:0 |
| Moyes | A | Real Sociedad | 0:0 |
| Moyes | A | Bayer 04 Leverkusen | 0:5 |
| Moyes | H | Shakhtar Donetsk | 1:0 |
| Moyes | A | Olympiacos Piraeus | 2:0 |
| Moyes | H | Olympiacos Piraeus | 3:0 |
| Moyes | H | Bayern Munich | 1:1 |
| Moyes | A | Bayern Munich | 3:1 |
| LVG | A | PSV Eindhoven | 2:1 |
| LVG | H | VfL Wolfsburg | 2:1 |
| LVG | A | CSKA Moscow | 1:1 |
| LVG | H | CSKA Moscow | 1:0 |
| LVG | H | PSV Eindhoven | 0:0 |
| LVG | A | VfL Wolfsburg | 3:2 |
| Jose | H | FC Basel 1893 | 3:0 |
| Jose | A | CSKA Moscow | 1:4 |
| Jose | A | SL Benfica | 0:1 |
| Jose | H | SL Benfica | 2:0 |
| Jose | A | FC Basel 1893 | 1:0 |
| Jose | H | CSKA Moscow | 2:1 |
| Jose | A | Sevilla FC | 0:0 |
| Jose | H | Sevilla FC | 1:2 |
| Jose | A | BSC Young Boys | 0:3 |
| Jose | H | Valencia CF | 0:0 |
| Jose | H | Juventus FC | 0:1 |
| Jose | A | Juventus FC | 1:2 |
| Jose | H | BSC Young Boys | 1:0 |
| Jose | A | Valencia CF | 2:1 |
| Ole | H | Paris Saint-Germain | 0:2 |
| Ole | A | Paris Saint-Germain | 1:3 |
| Ole | H | FC Barcelona | 0:1 |
| Ole | A | FC Barcelona | 3:0 |
| Ole | A | Paris Saint-Germain | 1:2 |
| Ole | H | RB Leipzig | 5:0 |
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Correct.
Cardiff City - 5:1
Club Brugge KV - 5:0
LASK - 5:0
AFC Bournemouth - 5:2
RB Leipzig - 5:0
Nice.
Would be interesting to see PL as well.
And to the original stat about goals scored - what the average goals per game is with Ole, Jose, LVG and Moyes across separate comps
League Form:
Manager | Games | Win % | W | D | L | CS | GF | GA | GD | GSpG | GCpG | Total Pts | APpG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Moyes | 34 | 50% | 17 | 6 | 11 | 12 | 56 | 40 | 16 | 1.6 | 1.2 | 57 | 1.68 |
LVG | 76 | 51% | 39 | 19 | 18 | 29 | 111 | 72 | 39 | 1.5 | 0.9 | 136 | 1.79 |
Jose | 93 | 54% | 50 | 26 | 17 | 38 | 151 | 86 | 65 | 1.6 | 0.9 | 176 | 1.89 |
Ole | 64 | 50% | 32 | 17 | 15 | 19 | 111 | 73 | 38 | 1.7 | 1.1 | 113 | 1.77 |
GSpG - Goals Scored per Game
GCpG - Goals Conceded per Game
APpG - Average Points per Game
If he can get us to play like this in the PL we can win trophies.
I'm almost starting to believe it myself, I'm sure a bad result will pull my head out the clouds.
But he can't, that's the problem and has always been. 1 game we look like we can beat anyone in the world and the next 2 we look like we don't belong in the PL.
Another day, another blinkered "skeptic" getting proven wrong by RedSky's data. You'd think they'd know better by now
Awesome, great you have that data ready to go. V interesting to see the comparisons - I always forget how long Jose was here. Interesting to see how similar LVG & Jose are, practically same goals per game, exactly the same conceded as well.
Confused. I asked RedSky for data which he kindly provided. Nothing being proven or unproven...not sure if you were reading a different conversationAnother day, another blinkered "skeptic" getting proven wrong by RedSky's data. You'd think they'd know better by now
Yeah, I find it useful to have the data and its an interesting point for the club so it's good to be able to constrast and compare, I actually have the data of the majority of clubs in Europe too.
Apart from the goal in the first half, were you happy with the attacking display? Leipzig obviously committed collective suicide leaving their defensive line above the midfield line eventually, but the same goes for everything before the 75th minute. I counted zero chances from attacking build-up in the first half. In the second half before the abovementioned, perhaps one chance if we count the one where the defender handballed on the ground. Hardly a chance either.
A win is a win, but nobody seems to look at a woeful first half full of mistakes, absolutely zero attacking play, attempts or cohesion. We scored counter-attacking goals in the second half, which we are obviously very good at if given the opportunity, but how often does that happen? We played a very poor Leipzig-team without their two best players and with no striker in the team, we should attack them differently from the start in my opinion (regardless of the result of course).
Are we happy being defensive and counting on counter-attacks in every game now? Will our attacking players enjoy the first 75 minutes of yesterday long-term? They sure enjoyed the last 15 minutes playing against an empty half, but that’s not going to help them against a low block in the Premier League.
Jaysus, wasn't it 5-0!! Credit surely when it is due?We now have the players who can take apart any team and Ole is starting to produce. The start of the season was horrendous for various reasons but we are now seeing what he is building.
Beating last years CL semi finalist and current Bundesliga leader 5-0, and still some are unhappy.I know 2020 has been a shit year, but you should try to cheer up
Beating Arteta is the Final Frontier that needs conquering. Saying that I will take a scrappy 1-0 as long as we win.Need to shut them cocky arse supporters. Draw or lose it will be Apocalypse Now!
Some people need to question whether they are even United fans.
I know 2020 has been a shit year, but you should try to cheer up
And already won more matches than LvG. Not bad for a PE teacher.
Did you not notice they pressed the hell out of us for the rest of the first half after the goal? Our players could barely face toward the RBL goal for that whole period. Not because we're sh*t, but because they're incredibly good at it. Many a good side would've crumbled under the sheer pressure, and we did remarkably well. Especially as it's been our Kryptonite for a good while.
Getting fed up of this 'counter' stuff too. What I see is very direct attacking play, which is scintillating when we're on it. Feck possesion. I love that we don't try to pass teams into oblivion. The goal is that way, get there as quickly and aggressively as possible. Fail? Try again. It's great. People are basically slating the man for not being Eddie Howe. Sure everyone would be happier if we naively went gung ho, played straight into their hands and lost the game.
Really, we dropped all those points in the first half of last season. Since then we have Pogba fit, Bruno signed and Greenwood coming to the fore. Now we've also signed Cavani, VDB and Telles. All our young players (the youngest team in the league last season) have developed an extra 12 months as well.
Combine that with Liverpool unlikely keeping to that level even before the VDV injury, and we really should be closing the gap a fair bit.
Fixed that for you
I approve!!!Fixed that for you
I hear you but the thing is, once we got over the initial purple patch, the weaknesses started to show and we have gone on such runs before. I am unsure as to whether that level of points accruement can be maintained for more than 12-14 games by this lot as we can see we are quite unpredictable. We have already lost a couple games this season. Thats the nature of this United team. unpredictable. We are not a reliable winning machine and can get randomly turned over by a palace or a Southampton at any moment, then smash a City. That sort of team you cannot put your hat on. The new signings are good and unlike many I am happy with our transfer window. It does kinda depend on just how good Klopp is and whether he can alleviate the VDV injury. City will probably get their acts together eventually but then again we never know. I think at most we have 73-75 pts in us as a maximum.
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