The Caf has feck all idea about formations/tactics

[horsechoker]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

 

[Ballache]

That's correct.
Problem is, neither does our manager.

 

[Samid]

But but the diamond will get the best out of all our midfielders

 

[Eplel]

We should bring in Ole then, would be a nice fit.

 

[drunkmonkmeth]

expecting a good result from this side under ole is just foolish.. even if we manage to smash a team 15-0 you still should feel like we will be complete trash the next game..

 

[DWelbz19]

We should bring in Ole then, would be a nice fit.

 

[Skills]

That's correct.
Problem is, neither does our manager.

This

 

[Adam-Utd]

It can work against some teams, but Arsenals 343 was always going to be tricky, it literally gives you space in the wide areas and nothing in midfield.

Tactically we were just naive to play this way and you have to question whether ole and the staff know what they’re doing.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

This is as much of a pathetic overreaction as when the formations do well. get a grip.

 

[pratyush_utd]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

If you sit back whole game then no matter what formation you play, it's not going to change anything. We played like cowards and got we deserved.

 

[RORY65]

We weren't exactly brilliant with the 4-2-3-1 either, we're flattered to be on 7 points thus far, the only game you could make even a semi-valid case we deserved to win was Newcastle away. I actually liked the idea of the diamond although there are obvious flaws and we were shite today but the issues go further then just what shape we set up in.

 

[NoneBmStore]

We are collectively as clueless as Soklsækr
Hurr durr lets not make runs anywhere
Hurr durr play Pogba

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

Wait is it the CAF that picks the team and formation?

 

[spiriticon]

I don't think anyone on the caf would get United to 3rd place last season.

 

[sullydnl]

That is undoubtedly true.

 

[arnie_ni]

Neither does our manager then because he played it today

 

[horsechoker]

Wait is it the CAF that picks the team and formation?

you wanted this formation with these players and this is what you get.

 

[Judas]

I'd be more worried about our managers decisions than us idiots on here.

 

[VP89]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

Pile of wank because Ole also decided to move Fred away from the role that suited him and McTominay in a box to box.

It's not just play a diamond and job done - you need horses for courses. McTominay was absolutely shite in the diamond, and it was screaming for Fred in the box to box role. In the end we got absolutely swallowed in midfield, because Scott had feck all contribution in the box to box.

Swap Fred and Scott (like he should have) or play the same diamond he did vs Leipzig. He took out Matic moved Fred to another role which completely fecked us

 

[Renegade]

The diamond alongside some quality coaching would work. The manager just rolling the formation out and hoping for the best doesn’t. The players had no clue where to position themselves.

 

[The Plump Poet]

Seriously. If I was allowed to make threads, I would have made this one.

I mean, I get it.....we are not the ones paid to get these things right, and fans have obviously have a right to an opinion on anything, regardless of how little they actually know. But maybe they need to stop posting on formations and tactics with such complete conviction. Especially as people talk about formations so much because they know literally nothing else about managing, coaching, or either pre/in-match tactics - as a team or for individual players. The vast majority of people on here couldn't even name two coaching drills, let alone set them up. So yeah, people need to stop posting as if they actually know things.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

you wanted this formation with these players and this is what you get.

Not really. I remember getting a dying minute winning goal and outplaying champions league finalist with it. Truth is we are just inconsistent whatever the formation

 

[Tel074]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

So it's the cafs fault Ole played a diamond

 

[Snow]

Formation doesn't matter when midfielders can't pass it and the forwards can't receive the ball without the famed Lukaku first touch. At least when Lukaku's first touch is poor he keeps the defenders behind him.

 

[arnie_ni]

Pile of wank because Ole also decided to move Fred away from the role that suited him and McTominay in a box to box.

It's not just play a diamond and job done - you need horses for courses. McTominay was absolutely shite in the diamond, and it was screaming for Fred in the box to box role. In the end we got absolutely swallowed in midfield, because Scott had feck all contribution in the box to box.

Swap Fred and Scott (like he should have) or play the same diamond he did vs Leipzig. He took out Matic moved Fred to another role which completely fecked us

He should have sorted the mct fred issue out after 10 mins and just swapped them.

 

[Random Task]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

The 4-4-2 diamond can work fine with the right players.

But it won't work well with two extremely limited DM's in the side, at least not from an attacking perspective.

 

[Ralph1386]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

The diamond can work with the right players in it and depending on the context/opposition. Fred and McTominay together in a diamond does not work. They’re too defensive.

 

[hobbers]

I don't know why people always clamour for diamond formations... it goes back all the way to SAF era during Chelsea's title wins.

They do not work. Not unless you have world class attacking full backs with limitless energy, which AWB and Shaw could not be further from.

 

[lsd]

It is horrible negative football being served up and i am sick of watching this. Moyes was a disaster, Van Gaal boring, Jose boring and unlikeable and now Ole us boring us stupid sending out teams at home to try and get a 0.0 draw every week.

I don't demand we always win but i do demand we st least try and play to win and Ole does not send us out to do that.

 

[Maluco]

The CAF and supporters who chat about tactics are wrong...

...not the coach who gets paid millions to pick the team, play players in positions they can thrive in, coach them and explain their roles?

 

[Berbasbullet]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

Yeah I agree, I’m one of those who defo gets it wrong

 

[Godfather]

I'd suggest that the formation itself is one of our least problems.

 

[Machine Elements]

The problem is not the formation. It's the mentality and playing style that dictate your shape as a team. Playing 4-3-3 wouldn't suddenly turn a shit team to a prime Barcelona. It doesn't help when your manager plays like underdogs all the time and looking to play on the counter no matter what the formation or the opposition is.

Our strongest area of the pitch is our midfield and diamond helps us to fit our midfielders into a formation. Also we don't have quality wingers(Neither Rashford nor Greenwood is wingers) unless you count Daniel James or Mata as quality wingers. So it makes perfect sense to use diamond and use your better players. Only downside of the diamond is our defensive fullbacks. Dalot & Telles would've been a better choice of full backs in the diamond. But one is out with Covid and the other one is in Milan. I don't know why.

Also 4-2-3-1 was not bettter than this. People hated that too and rightly so.

 

[TommiHelm]

Drawing the formation on a white board and telling the players to do it doesn't really cut it does it. We may very well have wanted to play a diamond 41212 tonight, but we sure as hell didn't do it. Fred and McT kept getting drawn back to their usual double pivot. The wing backs were more offensive when we changed to 4231, which makes feck all sense. The strikers were trying to provide width instead of actually sticking together. Even Bruno kept trying to play as a bloody target man at times. And trying to play Fred as the holding midfielder, I mean come on! This would have worked great on Football Manager. In the real world not so much. Players actually need some coaching. Pogba is gonna be the scape goat as usual, but he was probably the only one out there playing his role in the 41212 the right way in that first half. Not gonna blame AWB and Shaw either, they were probably told to stay back. Probably the only instruction given to anyone out there.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

0-0 was always the best bet on this game because of how compact Arsenal are. It likely would have been if it were not for Pogba.

 

[Fooza]

I think it was obvious to say 30minutes in it wasn't working whether diamond was right or wrong.

Ole didn't have the balls to change it - Okay I say, at least wait half time

Half time, no changes

First sub Matic

Ole doesn't have clue and he isn't reactive at all.

 

[Sandikan]

Yep, it's all the cafe's fault we lost again.

 

[Varun]

The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.

It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.

I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.

Ofcourse we don't. Every forum is basically a bunch of folks either engaging in casual football discussion which is great or clueless Joe pretending to be a football expert which is tedious.

 

[spiriticon]

I think it was obvious to say 30minutes in it wasn't working whether diamond was right or wrong.

Ole didn't have the balls to change it - Okay I say, at least wait half time

Half time, no changes

First sub Matic

Ole doesn't have clue and he isn't reactive at all.

The formation did change at half time and we instantly improved.

 

[calodo2003]

We should bring in Ole then, would be a nice fit.

Thought the Caf was what he was reading when he was viewing the screen on the bench?