What formation haven't we tried yet? Because whichever one it is, that's our best formation.
The Caf has feck all idea about formations/tactics
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Mods how do people not just get insta banned or warnings for creating threads like this. Its not done to make conversation or debate a topic but purely to start an argument.
Tbf you could remove the words 'about formations/tactics' from the OP and you wouldn't be wrong
Didn't improve enough because he didn't follow that up with a personnel change
It's absolutely cafs fault for our dire form... We should all be ashamed!
Ole must be looking over his shoulder. Everton & Southampton away to come... Telling times
Ole must be looking over his shoulder. Everton & Southampton away to come... Telling times
Why should he waste subs without analysing whether the current players on the pitch react well to it first?
Substitutes don't mean instant positivity
Pretty much, it was always going to be a close game. Arsenal have shored up their defence well, and without Martial we were not going to play three up front.
Diamond wasn't the problem today, the players the manager decided to play in it and the mentality we went out with was. I and many identified that before the first whistle. Donny should have started for Mctominay, Matic for Fred.
Then after seeing the game go south, he waits until we go behind before really changing things. To compound it he then takes the wrong players off.
Not a proper manager.
After that first half, anything would have been positive after..
Why waste subs when you bring them on so late? That's the question you should be asking, Matic was 62th but that sub was never going to improve us attacking wise
VDB and Cavani on 75 minutes with just 15 minutes to get us something, that's pathetic.
Sometimes it isn't the formation at the start that's the problem, it's the ability for a manager to react quickly to change things if it wasn't working and Ole struggled.
Not at all surprising
Ole also has feck all ideas about formation/tactics.
we can’t string runs together. Got a new manager bounce and then covid haulted/saved our horrendous league campaign.
we can’t string runs together. Got a new manager bounce and then covid haulted/saved our horrendous league campaign.
62 and 75th minutes is the average time subs are made isn't it?
Very rarely do subs get made at half time because you if you suddenly get injuries you are fecked for the whole second half.
Not sure what game you're watching mate, we rarely created any clear cut chances until very late in the game, that calls for early subs or changes to at least try and see if we could create more chances.
Nothing to do with average time changes, that game Arsenal had so many more chances that us and we were the HOME team. We lucky enough not to be 2-0 down by half time.
Why wasn't Ole reactive when Arsenal dominated us?
I blame FIFA (the game, not the org.)
That result must have broken, @horsechoker . He's made a serious thread!
For me the second half we were the better team. Immediately broke their dominance and become more defensively solid and as the game wore on we started to get more and more into it, so much so that Arteta had to go full on Bolton style defending for the last 30 minutes.
The second half wasn't the issue, the first half was the issue but it was indeed sorted at half time.
The OP may be right, but tonight we weren't let down by formation, but rather by team selection.
Before the penalty it felt like playing with ten men. Pogba added nothing to us going forward, defending or retaining the ball.
After he conceded the penalty it felt like we were 10 men playing against 12.
Before the penalty it felt like playing with ten men. Pogba added nothing to us going forward, defending or retaining the ball.
After he conceded the penalty it felt like we were 10 men playing against 12.
It has nothing to do with personnel. It's the formation itself.
A diamond midfield puts your FB in a 1v2 all day long cause there's no width in midfield or attack. So the DM tend to leave his position to cover weakening the midfield, or the CF will come down to close down his WB (which is what we ended up doing) and making the chances of a fast attacking transitions weaker cause your CF is in cover his FB.
Same thing happended to Tottenham against Arsenal back in 2018 when they lost 4-2, Poch played a diamond against Emery's 3-4-3. Arsenal came on top a very good Tottenham 4-2.
352 today imo.
No top team changes formations and tactics as often as us. It shows how clueless a side we are.
The idea that one formation is the best is naive, you have a specific style of play, formation are chosen based on your opponents and the best way to nullify their strength and give you positional advantages. If you fixed your formation then team can figure our before the game how to crack you down.
Not only do teams know our formation ahead. Ole voluntarily told the press that SAF told the best time to make a sub is between 60th and 70th minutes!! And he clearly adheres to that.
Not only do teams know our formation ahead. Ole voluntarily told the press that SAF told the best time to make a sub is between 60th and 70th minutes!! And he clearly adheres to that.
That's where we differ....for me it's far too late in my opinion. Not at home too, if we were the away team I'd have said everything of the above would be a good game plan.
Must admit, I wanted us to stick with the diamond and even thought Pogba was going to play well as the formation suited him. 
You can all laugh, but I think we need a proper trequartista
Fair enough. I personally am not a big fan of half time subs, because one or two serious injuries and you are playing with 10 men.
No one talks here as some sort of expert. We're just expressing opinions, opinions! That's all.
The diamond was fine - the problem was arsenal pressed our midfielders and they couldn't carry it out, because the wrong players were put in the wrong positions. We constantly saw McTominay hide in midfield rather than operate the box to box, and Fred wasn't suited to the holding role. This caused Bruno to drop deeper and try and orchestrate which he wasn't great at either.
If you had even Matic for McTominay and Fred back in the box to box, there would be a vast vast change in our performance.
The Caf has no idea about anything football related, according to some.
Did you read my post!?
Are you surprised? You can’t play football without width. Against a team that wanted to squeeze us up the pitch, playing narrow was playing right into their hands.
Will put him 2 points down for the funniest poster award.
Still, seriously threatening Messi/Ronaldo era (Steve/pigeon), mind you.
Only ones left are those calling for Solksjaer's early 4-3-3, which has been lost and is now searching for a new home
I know the feeling, bro.
United broke me a long time ago.
After @FrankDrebin mentioned it, I've decided to watch Battle Royale tonight to paper over this. Nothing like a bunch of Japanese school children fighting to the death to cheer ones self up!
@SteveJ isn't helping himself by pulling this Houdini act!
Yes.
Probably bribed.
WHOOOOOOO! Enjoy
my thoughts as well. i like the diamond for what we have currently, but if were gonna sit in our own half trying to counter instead of taking it to teams like this then we're not gonna take a step forward.
Most, including me expected a win today but I don't think anyone thought it would be a walk in the park.
The second bolded part does seem true though.