OnlyTwoDaSilvas
Gullible
What formation haven't we tried yet? Because whichever one it is, that's our best formation.
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Didn't improve enough because he didn't follow that up with a personnel changeThe formation did change at half time and we instantly improved.
Why should he waste subs without analysing whether the current players on the pitch react well to it first?Didn't improve enough because he didn't follow that up with a personnel change
Pretty much, it was always going to be a close game. Arsenal have shored up their defence well, and without Martial we were not going to play three up front.0-0 was always the best bet on this game because of how compact Arsenal are. It likely would have been if it were not for Pogba.
Diamond wasn't the problem today, the players the manager decided to play in it and the mentality we went out with was. I and many identified that before the first whistle. Donny should have started for Mctominay, Matic for Fred.The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.
It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.
I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.
After that first half, anything would have been positive after..Why should he waste subs without analysing whether the current players on the pitch react well to it first?
Substitutes don't mean instant positivity
62 and 75th minutes is the average time subs are made isn't it?After that first half, anything would have been positive after..
Why waste subs when you bring them on so late? That's the question you should be asking, Matic was 62th but that sub was never going to improve us attacking wise
VDB and Cavani on 75 minutes with just 15 minutes to get us something, that's pathetic.
Sometimes it isn't the formation at the start that's the problem, it's the ability for a manager to react quickly to change things if it wasn't working and Ole struggled.
Not sure what game you're watching mate, we rarely created any clear cut chances until very late in the game, that calls for early subs or changes to at least try and see if we could create more chances.62 and 75th minutes is the average time subs are made isn't it?
Very rarely do subs get made at half time because you if you suddenly get injuries you are fecked for the whole second half.
I blame FIFA (the game, not the org.)The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.
It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.
I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.
For me the second half we were the better team. Immediately broke their dominance and become more defensively solid and as the game wore on we started to get more and more into it, so much so that Arteta had to go full on Bolton style defending for the last 30 minutes.Not sure what game you're watching mate, we rarely created any clear cut chances until very late in the game, that calls for early subs or changes to at least try and see if we could create more chances.
Nothing to do with average time changes, that game Arsenal had so many more chances that us and we were the HOME team.
Why wasn't Ole reactive when Arsenal dominated us?
It has nothing to do with personnel. It's the formation itself.Pile of wank because Ole also decided to move Fred away from the role that suited him and McTominay in a box to box.
It's not just play a diamond and job done - you need horses for courses. McTominay was absolutely shite in the diamond, and it was screaming for Fred in the box to box role. In the end we got absolutely swallowed in midfield, because Scott had feck all contribution in the box to box.
Swap Fred and Scott (like he should have) or play the same diamond he did vs Leipzig. He took out Matic moved Fred to another role which completely fecked us
We should bring in Ole then, would be a nice fit.
352 today imo.It can work against some teams, but Arsenals 343 was always going to be tricky, it literally gives you space in the wide areas and nothing in midfield.
Tactically we were just naive to play this way and you have to question whether ole and the staff know what they’re doing.
That's where we differ....for me it's far too late in my opinion. Not at home too, if we were the away team I'd have said everything of the above would be a good game plan.For me the second half we were the better team. Immediately broke their dominance and become more defensively solid and as the game wore on we started to get more and more into it, so much so that Arteta had to go full on Bolton style defending for the last 30 minutes.
The second half wasn't the issue, the first half was the issue but it was indeed sorted at half time.
Fair enough. I personally am not a big fan of half time subs, because one or two serious injuries and you are playing with 10 men.That's where we differ....for me it's far too late in my opinion. Not at home too, if we were the away team I'd have said everything of the above would be a good game plan.
The diamond was fine - the problem was arsenal pressed our midfielders and they couldn't carry it out, because the wrong players were put in the wrong positions. We constantly saw McTominay hide in midfield rather than operate the box to box, and Fred wasn't suited to the holding role. This caused Bruno to drop deeper and try and orchestrate which he wasn't great at either.It has nothing to do with personnel. It's the formation itself.
A diamond midfield puts your FB in a 1v2 all day long cause there's no width in midfield or attack. So the DM tend to leave his position to cover weakening the midfield, or the CF will come down to close down his WB (which is what we ended up doing) and making the chances of a fast attacking transitions weaker cause your CF is in cover his FB.
Same thing happended to Tottenham against Arsenal back in 2018 when they lost 4-2, Poch played a diamond against Emery's 3-4-3. Arsenal came on top a very good Tottenham 4-2.
Did you read my post!?The diamond was fine - the problem was arsenal pressed our midfielders and they couldn't carry it out, because the wrong players were put in the wrong positions. We constantly saw McTominay hide in midfield rather than operate the box to box, and Fred wasn't suited to the holding role. This caused Bruno to drop deeper and try and orchestrate which he wasn't great at either.
If you had even Matic for McTominay and Fred back in the box to box, there would be a vast vast change in our performance.
Are you surprised? You can’t play football without width. Against a team that wanted to squeeze us up the pitch, playing narrow was playing right into their hands.The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.
It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.
I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.
That result must have broken, @horsechoker . He's made a serious thread!
Will put him 2 points down for the funniest poster award.That result must have broken, @horsechoker . He's made a serious thread!
I know the feeling, bro.
United broke me a long time ago.
Will put him 2 points down for the funniest poster award.
Still, seriously threatening Messi/Ronaldo era (Steve/pigeon), mind you.
Yes.Did you read my post!?
Probably bribed.
WHOOOOOOO! EnjoyI know the feeling, bro.
After @FrankDrebin mentioned it, I've decided to watch Battle Royale tonight to paper over this. Nothing like a bunch of Japanese school children fighting to the death to cheer ones self up!
The problem is not the formation. It's the mentality and playing style that dictate your shape as a team. Playing 4-3-3 wouldn't suddenly turn a shit team to a prime Barcelona. It doesn't help when your manager plays like underdogs all the time and looking to play on the counter no matter what the formation or the opposition is.
Our strongest area of the pitch is our midfield and diamond helps us to fit our midfielders into a formation. Also we don't have quality wingers(Neither Rashford nor Greenwood is wingers) unless you count Daniel James or Mata as quality wingers. So it makes perfect sense to use diamond and use your better players. Only downside of the diamond is our defensive fullbacks. Dalot & Telles would've been a better choice of full backs in the diamond. But one is out with Covid and the other one is in Milan. I don't know why.
Also 4-2-3-1 was not bettter than this. People hated that too and rightly so.
Most, including me expected a win today but I don't think anyone thought it would be a walk in the park.The clamouring for a diamond from 4-4-2 Diamond, the brazen way they spoke of the upcoming game as though it would be a walk in the park, the same goes for when they speak about our best line-up.
It can't be any coincidence that when the caf is confident, we end up losing.
I know it should be obvious that internet forum users aren't professionals but they speak as though they are.