Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[1988]

He has to go. We're looking sluggish, demotivated, spineless and without a clue. Solskjær is nothing but a false dawn and he'll take us nowhere. I'm ok with us not chasing titles at the very moment but I'll need to see us shaping into something. An identity. After 101 games Solskjær still doesn't have us clicking one bit (We've had false dawns I know) and he's just clutching for straws right now. Bruno Fernandez came in last season and gave us a bit of relief and belief but now yet again we're aren't moving one bit. He has to go. We need more character, charisma and a manager with a clear direction.

I know there's a lot fundamentally wrong at the club but we should have a manager that have us performing better. Our terrible start to the season has nothing do with our board.

 

[LUC1f3R]

He has to go. We're looking sluggish, demotivated, spineless and without a clue. Solskjær is nothing but a false dawn and he'll take us nowhere. I'm ok with us not chasing titles at the very moment but I'll need to see us shaping into something. An identity. After 101 games Solskjær still doesn't have us clicking one bit (We've had false dawns I know) and he's just clutching for straws right now. Bruno Fernandez came in last season and gave us a bit of relief and belief but now yet again we're aren't moving one bit. He has to go. We need more character, charisma and a manager with a clear direction.

I know there's a lot fundamentally wrong at the club but we should have a manager that have us performing better. Our terrible start to the season has nothing do with our board.

While I agree with your views on Ole, Board also should accept their faults. I feel that the board didn't get players Ole wanted (we badly needed a RW, who will help stretch opponents and make passes centrally easier) and even the transfers we made seemed like panic buys.

 

[DickDastardly]

So provided we win against Everton you'd still be in favor of sacking a manager who is only 3 points behind top 4 and 6 points behind the leaders, with 31 games left to play? Yeah, that sounds reasonable..

Yep. I'd sack him yesterday.

The sacking isn't the produce of 1 game (vs. Everton in this case). It's a culmination of really bad play in a really long period.

It's not even the points tally, the lack of coaching, lack of recognizable gameplay, lack of chances created - i appreciate his guts and his self belief - but he should resign.

 

[romufc]

You do no situations and circumstances can change things though. Just because we've done this or that in the past doesn't mean we'll operate the same at present. All we can do is wait and see what unfolds but I'd not at all be surprised if United pull the trigger now. It's really bad.

I agree things change but this is Manchester United. The same club that says alot of things.

We can do things in the market people can dream of - Bullshit
We will hire a DoF before permanent manager - Bullshit
We are building for the future - Bullshit
We will continue to support the manager in the market - Bullshit
Poch wants united in 2019 - Nothing.
Manutd looking at Poch after 6 -1 loss - Nothing
Manutd lose to Istandbul and the next day we have made contact with Poch - Bullshit

Poch is not going to sit there waiting for contact to be made once every month because results are bad.

It is obvious that the team is lost at the moment with no attacking ability, cannot keep the ball. It is dire at the moment. We need to stop seing how things fall after every game.

 

[MAME DIOUF 32]

Sorry, Ole. The goals conceded last night are the result dreadful management. There's just not enough evidence to think Ole can turn this around. But the state the club is in on the whole has absolutely nothing to do with Ole Solskjaer.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

He worked under a clown of an owner at Cardiff.

“It’s not Ole’s fault”

 

[Rolaholic]

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[Lassitude42]

There's a lack of leadership in the team and just as crucially a lack of leadership amongst the managerial and coaching staff

Carrick is a complete personality bypass and Phelan is yesterday's man. Let's hire some young, hungry, up-and-coming coaches with charisma and drive.

Solskjaer is a lot more ruthless than he is credited for and has cleared out a lot of the deadwood and built a stronger squad. But he lacks the leadership skills and tactical / coaching vision to make us play to the level of our ability, let alone beyond it.

We can all see our pressing is ragged, our defensive shape a shambles. We can't break down deep defensives and lack motivation. We need a manager with a clear vision and the outgoing personality to instill it in the players. The sort of authoritative coach who is driven to succeed and who provides clear, vocal direction to his players. This isn't Ole. In a way, he's more of a DOF than a manager. He's a smart, cerebral reader of the game, but not a leader.

Maybe move Ole upstairs as a dignified solution and bring in a proper coach.

 

[pocco]

Of course we'll stick with him. This wouldn't be United under Woodward if we didn't. The only way this plays out is Ole gets sacked once there are no decent options left available. Wait till Poch is gone and some of the others are no longer an option, then we'll enter the market for a new manager. There's months left in this journey yet.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

“It’s not Ole’s fault”

Nah I'd say it's part of his fault, that's a weird response man.

 

[laughtersassassin]

So we could hypothetically be 1st, but if the points tally isn't satisfactory from a historic standpoint then it's 'bye bye'?

There's a Norwegian saying that goes something like this(paraphrasing): "it's only the final number on your receipt that matters". In the league, what matters is how good you are compared to your competitors in May. That's the beauty of it. We've had a very rough start, but it's way too early to conclude where we'll end up. Had we been more than 10 points behind top 4 with less than 20 games to play, then fair enough.

That is nonsense and you know it

It's historically one of our worst starts ever. No you wouldn't get sacked for being first cause atleast your leading the pack.

What you don't realise is we are 15 th in a league where everyone kind of sucks bar Liverpool. That makes it even worse.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Really it all depends on who the coach is.

 

[OleBoiii]

What you don't realise is we are 15 th in a league where everyone kind of sucks bar Liverpool. That makes it even worse.

International break not included, we could be comfortably top 4 and even 1st in a matter of weeks. There's a reason why clubs typically wait much longer before sacking a coach. When the data points are so few(6 games is nothing), it's almost impossible to make a reasonable prediction. Turning this around is significantly easier than turning last season around was.

 

[laughtersassassin]

International break not included, we could be comfortably top 4 and even 1st in a matter of weeks. There's a reason why clubs typically wait much longer before sacking a coach. When the data points are so few(6 games is nothing), it's almost impossible to make a reasonable prediction. Turning this around is significantly easier than turning last season around was.

So you think it's okay for Ole to start two seasons in a row in relegation form? Last year he had a decent excuse what's it this year?

Also why does he have no idea what formation to play? It changes every game.

He also has no idea on a best 11.

He also makes some very strange subs. The Arsenal game at 0-0 was there to be won. But he procrastinated.

Last night he just seemed to throw on names with no plan at all?

All very very concerning points no?

So yes you are correct this season is easier to turn around as he has more time but is the more important question not why we are in the situation of having to turn another season around?

The summer was crap sure and he wasn't backed but his squad still only got better so why is it okay to have regressed?

 

[Idxomer]

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Gonna be depressingly funny when he doesn't get a result on Saturday.

 

[OleBoiii]

So you think it's okay for Ole to start two seasons in a row in relegation form? Last year he had a decent excuse what's it this year?

Fatigue from lack of preseason? I mean, even the pundits and experts agree on this. I'm not saying that we've been excellent recently, but at least the players don't look knackered as they did in the 3 first league games(of which we lost 2).

Every team that's not title contenders can suffer a period of bad form. Whether that bad form comes early, in the middle or late in the season, is irrelevant. And to save you time: no, I don't think this team is good enough to be considered title contenders. If you think so: fine, we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

So you think it's okay for Ole to start two seasons in a row in relegation form? Last year he had a decent excuse what's it this year?

Also why does he have no idea what formation to play? It changes every game.

He also has no idea on a best 11.

He also makes some very strange subs. The Arsenal game at 0-0 was there to be won. But he procrastinated.

Last night he just seemed to throw on names with no plan at all?

All very very concerning points no?

So yes you are correct this season is easier to turn around as he has more time but is the more important question not why we are in the situation of having to turn another season around?

The summer was crap sure and he wasn't backed but his squad still only got better so why is it okay to have regressed?

Some people are blind towards Ole. They’ll use the glazers & Woodward being bigger issues as excuses to keep him despite him clearly consistently underperforming with a strong squad. People conveniently forget that last season was our lowest ever premier league points tally.

“he’s not been backed” is a common excuse, he spent £150m on Maguire, Wan-Bissaka & James for crying out loud.

 

[Che Guevara]

The biggest problem within the club esp the fan base right now is impatience, and this is seriously affecting continuity. The managerial merry-go-round is dragging the club backwards. Each incoming manager wants to buy his own players and this is very costly and wasteful for the club. Fergie's first United trophy was in his fourth season, and his first league title was in his seventh season. After that it was success after success.

 

[tomaldinho1]

International break not included, we could be comfortably top 4 and even 1st in a matter of weeks. There's a reason why clubs typically wait much longer before sacking a coach. When the data points are so few(6 games is nothing), it's almost impossible to make a reasonable prediction. Turning this around is significantly easier than turning last season around was.

Genuine question, are you Ole or a relation of his? Just realised I see you in every thread/starting threads with this kind of blind positivity (it was you who started that thread and then dismissed every rational answer about top teams), your posting output is off the charts.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Fatigue from lack of preseason? I mean, even the pundits and experts agree on this. I'm not saying that we've been excellent recently, but at least the players don't look knackered as they did in the 3 first league games(of which we lost 2).

Every team that's not title contenders can suffer a period of bad form. Whether that bad form comes early, in the middle or late in the season, is irrelevant. And to save you time: no, I don't think this team is good enough to be considered title contenders. If you think so: fine, we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

I never said we where good enough to compete for the title. What are you on?

This fatigue lasting a long while eh. You should get onto Ole about that. That must be the reason we have been outplayed most games this year.

 

[Nicoseth]

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No panic there? There feckin should be.

 

[Nicoseth]

Any truth that MEN saying we've approached Poch to replace Ole?

 

[Judas]

The biggest problem within the club esp the fan base right now is impatience, and this is seriously affecting continuity. The managerial merry-go-round is dragging the club backwards. Each incoming manager wants to buy his own players and this is very costly and wasteful for the club. Fergie's first United trophy was in his fourth season, and his first league title was in his seventh season. After that it was success after success.

Impatience Ole has been in the job for years at this point and we're still no close to seeing an identity or style. Imagine of all the managers we've had, this is the one we choose to gives another 3 years to, it would be madness, and it rightfully won't happen. He's done his job.

 

[Bastian]

The biggest problem within the club esp the fan base right now is impatience, and this is seriously affecting continuity. The managerial merry-go-round is dragging the club backwards. Each incoming manager wants to buy his own players and this is very costly and wasteful for the club. Fergie's first United trophy was in his fourth season, and his first league title was in his seventh season. After that it was success after success.

Apart from evidence to the contrary - that sacking managers is the road to ruin (see most top clubs), and aside from the non-relevant comparison to SAF, the lack of patience accusation does have slight merit, but I think that only applies if you already know that you have a manager who is capable. We are all waiting on him learning on the job.

If we were to hire a Rose or Nagelsmann, I'd be more than happy to give them plenty of time. They wouldn't play diabolical football three quarters of the time, though they might take a while to get this side to be seriously competitive for the main trophies. But we wouldn't be waiting and wondering whether they are any good.

 

[dwd]

'When he needs a result, he gets one'

fecking hell, like that's meant to be some amazing reason to keep the United manager. So scraping by is supposed to be some kind of progress? Sounds like something you'd hear from the likes of West Ham.

 

[OleBoiii]

This fatigue lasting a long while eh. You should get onto Ole about that. That must be the reason we have been outplayed most games this year.

I'm not saying that we lost to Arsenal and Istanbul because of fatigue. But it definitely affected us versus Tottenham and Palace. That plays a big part, particularly when we have so few data points(6 measly PL games)

Just realised I see you in every thread/starting threads with this kind of blind positivity

I don't think I'm positive, but rather pragmatic/realistic. I'm not satisfied with the season so far, but I also find it ludicrous to fire someone after 6-7 league games. Especially when we've done well in the CL and were visibly fatigued for the 3 first PL games. If that counts as "blind positivity" these days, then this is officially the most depressing forum I've seen.

 

[Hugh Jass]

That is nonsense and you know it

It's historically one of our worst starts ever. No you wouldn't get sacked for being first cause atleast your leading the pack.

What you don't realise is we are 15 th in a league where everyone kind of sucks bar Liverpool. That makes it even worse.

I actually think teams are better now than they were ten years ago. Look at everton for example. The league is more competitive.

It still does not excuse Ole though. It looks like the players have lost faith in him.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Fatigue from lack of preseason? I mean, even the pundits and experts agree on this. I'm not saying that we've been excellent recently, but at least the players don't look knackered as they did in the 3 first league games(of which we lost 2).

Every team that's not title contenders can suffer a period of bad form. Whether that bad form comes early, in the middle or late in the season, is irrelevant. And to save you time: no, I don't think this team is good enough to be considered title contenders. If you think so: fine, we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

What do you think our style of play is Oleboii. When we face Everton, Southampton and WBA...what style of play are you expecting to see

 

[OleBoiii]

When we face Everton, Southampton, WBA...what style of play are you expecting to see

Don't know, don't care. 'Entertainment' is unfortunately a luxury we can't afford right now. We need points for and foremost.

The way I see it, there are 2 ways of beating us when you're a weaker side:

1. Overflow the midfield and take advantage of the fact that we don't have a good DM and that most of our CMs aren't good in tight spaces.
2. Sit back and laugh at our attackers lack of ability to create goals under such circumstances. Hope for a goal on a counter attack, but also be satisfied with 0-0.

Depending on the team/coach, it's going to be one of those two. Both are valid options against our players, but number 1 is a bit more risky as it leaves you more vulnerable to counters. We wont know for sure before the game starts. Ole's tactics will have to change if he guessed wrong. If they flood the midfield, then we'll push the defensive line back further and counter. That is wise, because we are not a good passing team, we don't have a good DM and our defenders aren't quick. If they go for the 2nd option, expect a frustrating game unless we score early.

 

[Andycoleno9]

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This is depressing if true

 

[united for life]

He has to go. We're looking sluggish, demotivated, spineless and without a clue. Solskjær is nothing but a false dawn and he'll take us nowhere. I'm ok with us not chasing titles at the very moment but I'll need to see us shaping into something. An identity. After 101 games Solskjær still doesn't have us clicking one bit (We've had false dawns I know) and he's just clutching for straws right now. Bruno Fernandez came in last season and gave us a bit of relief and belief but now yet again we're aren't moving one bit. He has to go. We need more character, charisma and a manager with a clear direction.

I know there's a lot fundamentally wrong at the club but we should have a manager that have us performing better. Our terrible start to the season has nothing do with our board.

the board didn’t back him with the signings he wanted. He wanted wingers, he got an unknown 18 year old winger instead a highly rated Sancho or maybe an EPL proven winger like Zaha. Why would he play Bruno or Pogba at left wing? Why would he need to start an underperforming James? That’s because he wasn’t backed.

it is easy to slam the manager. Though I agree with you he doesn’t have the charisma, the problem is not him. It’s everything. The owners, the executive team, coaches and a bunch of underperforming players. Like Keane said, players shouldn’t wait for a manager to motivate them, they should want to win...

It’s not just Ole, it’s everything really

 

[SAFMUTD]

Cant see us sacking him at the moment, despite the dreadful results and performances in this club we somehow must wait until either the season is mathematically lost or until the dressing rooms implodes before we sack the coach.

We will probably wait until the second part of the season and waste another season.

 

[Thunder.kz]

the board didn’t back him with the signings he wanted. He wanted wingers, he got an unknown 18 year old winger instead a highly rated Sancho or maybe an EPL proven winger like Zaha.

We don't need Sancho to beat Istanbul. Stop with this Ole obsession. He is not a good coach.

 

[Greck]

This is depressing if true

I think sky should know better than to carry a mic to Carrington asking people if the manager is getting sacked

 

[NJM78]

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Hope it is.

 

[Jippy]

the board didn’t back him with the signings he wanted. He wanted wingers, he got an unknown 18 year old winger instead a highly rated Sancho or maybe an EPL proven winger like Zaha. Why would he play Bruno or Pogba at left wing? Why would he need to start an underperforming James? That’s because he wasn’t backed.

it is easy to slam the manager. Though I agree with you he doesn’t have the charisma, the problem is not him. It’s everything. The owners, the executive team, coaches and a bunch of underperforming players. Like Keane said, players shouldn’t wait for a manager to motivate them, they should want to win...

It’s not just Ole, it’s everything really

Yeah because it worked out so well last time we bought him.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

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Oh ffs! Enough!

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Don't know, don't care. 'Entertainment' is unfortunately a luxury we can't afford right now. We need points for and foremost.

The way I see it, there are 2 ways of beating us when you're a weaker side:

1. Overflow the midfield and take advantage of the fact that we don't have a good DM and that most of our CMs aren't good in tight spaces.
2. Sit back and laugh at our attackers lack of ability to create goals under such circumstances. Hope for a goal on a counter attack, but also be satisfied with 0-0.

Depending on the team/coach, it's going to be one of those two. Both are valid options against our players, but number 1 is a bit more risky as it leaves you more vulnerable to counters. We wont know for sure before the game starts. Ole's tactics will have to change if he guessed wrong. If they flood the midfield, then we'll push the defensive line back further and counter. That is wise, because we are not a good passing team, we don't have a good DM and our defenders aren't quick. If they go for the 2nd option, expect a frustrating game unless we score early.

I mean you're very correct about the way teams can beat us. But don't you see that there's a problem that you've been watching us under Ole for more than a year and don't know what our style of play is but how to beat us is so obvious to see

 

[croadyman]

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Wouldn't expect them to say anything different, we heard the same thing just days before the Liverpool game with Jose if memory serves me right

 

[tomaldinho1]

I don't think I'm positive, but rather pragmatic/realistic. I'm not satisfied with the season so far, but I also find it ludicrous to fire someone after 6-7 league games. Especially when we've done well in the CL and were visibly fatigued for the 3 first PL games. If that counts as "blind positivity" these days, then this is officially the most depressing forum I've seen.

But Ole's at 100 games...I get there is now a big division among fans here but you're approach is the opposite of pragmatic. A pragmatic assessment of Ole would be very simple, it would read that here is a manager who has had time, money and a good squad but has yet to stamp his style (at least the style he always talk about) on the team and has yet to fid any consistency. Has it been a total disaster? Not yet but is has not been successful aside from a loose idea of improving attitudes and getting rid of bad apples which is very intangible.

FYI I have no issue with you backing Ole but it feels like you aren't acknowledging the lack of progress we've made since his appointment and the argument is simply, we've done well in 2 games (PSG, RBL) and it's relatively early in the season so he should get more time by default not because of the promise we see in the team.