Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager

At every club he's been at since 2002, Mourinho has won trophies. Will he win one at Spurs?


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And Leicester are top. So were Southampton this week. Youre only ahead of Villa because you playes a game more.
There is nothing to take away from the table other than its been madness.
Funny how you resort back to facts are Spurs are second well facts are EL sides have never competed for the title. You arent even top after an extremly favourable set of fixtures, whats the takeasay here? Its why your next run is so horrendous, its because your run until now has been on the easy side.
No, we're ahead of Villa because we have 2 more points than them. Otherwise you're assuming that Villa win their game in hand, which remains to be seen.

Each upcoming game for Spurs that you call collectively "horrendous" list is an opportunity for Spurs - a run of proverbial six-pointers. For all you know right now Spurs could win every one of them.
 

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Of course the board backed Martial, Raahford and Pogba over him! If it wasnt for Jose they wouldnt have to do it in the first place.
Spurs arent special. You still have this we are on to something new mentality but the players behind Son and Kane will only sacrifice their attacking instincts for so long before mental fatigue kicks in and Jose starts to buck from it.
The reason Jose prefer older and experienced player are basically that, they are mentally stronger. Backing players over manager isn't a good thing , Sir Alex wrote in his book about how manager should be the most important person and when it doesn't, then the club is finished. The great man was right.
What are you on about? Ed Woodward forcing Pogba captaincy on Mourinho? He captained two games for us his entire time here, once against some random team in the EFL in the 17/18 season and another against Young Boys in the CL. Saying we should attack is not undermining him either when the entire crowd at times was screaming the same thing. On the Spurs stuff, did you see anything that put anyone at Spurs in a negative light? Of course not, why would they show anything confrontational or negative? It's made to improve the PR around the club (which it did). Kane and Son were also already some of the hardest working forwards in the league before he came. Woodward was also completely right to not allow Mourinho to get rid of Martial and Rashford and arguably Pogba too. If you ask Levy if he'd also sell 3 of their best players for players like Willian and Perisic he would also refuse. Mourinho was also allowed to get rid of many players like Blind, Rooney, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin off the top of my head, and rightfully so. Why did you choose to cherry pick your examples and make up crap like Woodward forcing him to captain Pogba?
How ? What did you guys have won with them playing regularly ? United fans talk as if they are going to walk the league and winning all trophies available after they got rid of that "toxic" manager and with all their favorite player enjoying playing time. Fact is United has been trophyless since he left and couldn't even surpass his achievement there. Mourinho wouldn't ask for Perisic or Willian at Spurs, he already have Son, Kane, Lamela, Bergwijn , Lucas and Bale fighting for LW and RW position. He knows that different club needs different treatment to fix their squad and that's how he won everywhere , you just need to give him the budget ( doesn't have to be much cause he didn't really went after fancy expensive players ) , authority, trust ,support and he will bring the trophy , it's that simple.

If José finds peak José again, they'll win the league, I think.
Only think stopping him is that he seems to have lost peak José.

It's kinda confusing how defensive he goes against weaker teams. Doesn't seem to trust players.
Problem is you can trust your players and still get pumped 6-1. Ole seems to have learn though , he started 2 DM Fred and Mctominay most of the time after and start benching Pogba just like what Mourinho always want to do but not allowed because he was still popular with the fans back then. Ole doesn't trust his defense as well but that kind of narrative about not trusting players is reserved only for Mourinho right ? Finished 2nd 81 points with all the deadwood playing such as Lukaku , Sanchez, Fellaini , Young, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo , Jones and co prove that he is still in his peak.
Then why did you appoint him? He's a manager who unapologetically focuses on immediate success at any cost, appointing him for a rebuild or a long term project is a waste, anyone who appoints Mou should take the Inter approach, accept his MO and throw everything you can into getting that quick success.

He won't change either (you're starting to really see that now with his approach since the WHU game), with all due respect he wouldn't change for the biggest club the world, the club he made his name at or his supposed dream job so he won't be breaking that trend for anyone else.
I don't understand the difference between quick success and slow success. If what you meant with slow-success is winning once every decade then i rather have a quick success , maybe you can repeat that quick success over and over again to win every season like you know , Bayern or Juve.
 
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And how do you excuse his fallout with the Madrid squad and Chelsea squad right before he joined United. Is it always the board's fault?
Class of ego at Madrid and him stopping Eva Carneiro giving free blowjobs to everyone made him lose the dressing room. None of those situation exist at Spurs.
 

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I don't understand the difference between quick success and slow success. If what you meant with slow-success is winning once every decade then i rather have a quick success , maybe you can repeat that quick success over and over again to win every season like you know , Bayern or Juve.
Point I'm making is, you don't appoint Mou for a project or a rebuild. I find it funny that fans of the club's he's managed (in recent times) say he should be/has been appointed because he's a serial winner then make excuse after excuse when he doesn't win.

If you appoint Jose you should do it accepting what he is, a win now instant success manager who will proritize the success of the present at any cost. Massimo Moratti had the right idea, he knew the score, he knew the success or failure of his tenure at Inter firmly rested on the CL (they already were on three Serie A's on the spin when he took over so merely "just" retaining that would have still been seen as failure hence the big spend after his first season despite yet another title) so he went out there and got him the tools to do it, no messing about.
 

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Point I'm making is, you don't appoint Mou for a project or a rebuild. I find it funny that fans of the club's he's managed (in recent times) say he should be/has been appointed because he's a serial winner then make excuse after excuse when he doesn't win.

If you appoint Jose you should do it accepting what he is, a win now instant success manager who will proritize the success of the present at any cost. Massimo Moratti had the right idea, he knew the score, he knew the success or failure of his tenure at Inter firmly rested on the CL (they already were on three Serie A's on the spin when he took over so merely "just" retaining that would have still been seen as failure hence the big spend after his first season despite yet another title) so he went out there and got him the tools to do it, no messing about.
Thank you.

You can even sense it in Mourinho's personality - he is aiming to be a winner, quickly with all the short cuts possible.

I just dont really know how anyone can doubt that when he has had the same circle repeating at every club and contract he finds himself at.

He wins, he stays or even then decided to leave take another club like he did at inter - he loses, he causes an unrest to a level where he is against the majority of the squad, the DOF and even the owners of the club like Abrahmovic and he gets sacked. It's almost like he knows he has done the best he can and do no more.
 

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I'm going to continue posting about football, rather than making false claims about individual posters. The most recent poster who made the same false claim pointed to the closing stages of last season, but didn't seem to realise that this was a period when Spurs had a very good run of results .... even tho' I chose not to comment on any of them and was in fact taking an extended break from all things internet.

My advice is talk about what you know - assuming you know things about football - rather than talking about individual posters and things you know nothing of.
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No, we're ahead of Villa because we have 2 more points than them. Otherwise you're assuming that Villa win their game in hand, which remains to be seen.

Each upcoming game for Spurs that you call collectively "horrendous" list is an opportunity for Spurs - a run of proverbial six-pointers. For all you know right now Spurs could win every one of them.
So you can say Spurs are in a title race after 7 games but cant say Villa can win their game in hand?
The fact sides around the top 4 have even have games in hand shows how stupid and futile pointing to the table and saying but we're second! really is.
My point isnt that you cant win them, my point is you arent even in that good of a position despite having an easier than most fixture list so far. In fact you have struggled to win most of them on top of that.
 

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I've watched a fair bit of Spurs this season and they don't look very good IMO. They've had a favourable fixture list and are sneaking wins.

The next 7 league matches are:

City
Chelsea
Palace
Arsenal
Liverpool
Leicester
Wolves

We'll know a lot more about them after that run of games.
They are like us in 17/18, results better than performances just with less goal keeper heroics.
 

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I'm going to continue posting about football, rather than making false claims about individual posters. The most recent poster who made the same false claim pointed to the closing stages of last season, but didn't seem to realise that this was a period when Spurs had a very good run of results .... even tho' I chose not to comment on any of them and was in fact taking an extended break from all things internet.

My advice is talk about what you know - assuming you know things about football - rather than talking about individual posters and things you know nothing of.
You won 5 of your last 15 games! It wouldve been a quick visit in your quest for 6th
 

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Is this really necessary?
He's right though. Mourinho made plenty of mistakes, worst of all being the chronic alienations of most talented players (Balotelli at Inter, Pogba/Martial at United, Dele Alli/Ndombele at Spurs) but he did the right thing with that "physio" woman.
 

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And yet we're 2nd in the table and have won all of our last 3 league games ... so your "evidence" looks shaky.
Ok then so when the fixtures hit in February and March time I hope that Jose or yourself won't be moaning about the schedule.

We all know Spurs will hit fatigue.
 

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Spurs are doing well and the troll is back from their Indian expedition. What a surprise.
 

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We bought into his methods for 2 seasons, but ultimately decided the methods weren't good enough. And rightly so, especially when our direct rivals were winning everything with scintillating football.

We didn't need Jose to simply be better than Ole or even LVG, we needed him to best the app. 100 point tallies of City and Liverpool. Preferably while playing a great style, since others have shown that contrary to Jose's assertions, you can indeed play great football and win a lot of matches.

Add to that his poor man management of everyone including his won boss, it's no wonder he had a falling out with practically the entire club.
I like many accepted that things had got to a stage where a change was needed.
That was pretty clear.
But it takes two to have a fall out.
We will probably not find out exactly what was the cause.
But it is important to remember that it takes a whole lot of contributing factors to be able to play scintillating football.

Anyway, we will have to agree to disagree and that is what makes this forum so interesting.
 

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Far too early to say anything about Spurs and a league challenge. They win ugly. Lets see how it looks like til January.

I always thought they might win the League cup or FA cup under Jose. Maybe even EL with a bit of luck. Personally, i dont see them challenging for the league title.
 

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Even if Spurs survive this terrible run of fixtures, which is unlikely, they are just an injury to Son or Kane away from capitulating
 

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Spurs are not winning the league, everyone needs to calm down. They are however definitely on to push for top four, and in with a good shot at the EL, FA cup or League Cup.

Could even be on for a two cup haul. Something like the League Cup and Europa League would be a great achievement for Spurs and Jose. Like him or hate him Jose is a proven winner, and will happily throw players under the bus(Alli) to get his hands on silverware.
 
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It’s just Spurs fans doing what Spurs fan do.

a couple of losses and they will be back to normal, and then they will win again and think they are in a title race.
 

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So you can say Spurs are in a title race after 7 games but cant say Villa can win their game in hand?
The fact sides around the top 4 have even have games in hand shows how stupid and futile pointing to the table and saying but we're second! really is.
My point isnt that you cant win them, my point is you arent even in that good of a position despite having an easier than most fixture list so far. In fact you have struggled to win most of them on top of that.
I haven't said that Villa can't win their game in hand. I said that you can't just assume that Villa will win it and thereby claim that this game in hand is the reason why Spurs are 2 points ahead of Villa in the table.

Re. Spurs' upcoming fixtures: you might think that we won't win them, but to say we can't win them is just plain stupid. Spurs are capable of beating any Prem team.
 
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I haven't said that Villa can't win their game in hand. I said that you can't just assume that Villa will win it and thereby claim that this game in hand is the reason why Spurs are 2 points ahead of Villa in the table.

Re. Spurs' upcoming fixtures: you might think that we won't win them, but to say we can't win them is just plain stupid. Spurs are capable of beating any Prem team.
every team in the PL, bar Fulham and Sheff Utd are capable of beating any other team in the PL.
 

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I haven't said that Villa can't win their game in hand. I said that you can't just assume that Villa will win it and thereby claim that this game in hand is the reason why Spurs are 2 points ahead of Villa in the table.

Re. Spurs' upcoming fixtures: you might think that we won't win them, but to say we can't win them is just plain stupid. Spurs are capable of beating any Prem team.
Its not an assumption, you are second because the fixture less has been a mess and it lessens the significance of the standings if other sides dont get a chance to play then of course you'll zoom up the table.
As it stands they have a better points to game ratio than you have.
 

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You can just see Jose winning the league this season. It can only happen to Utd.
Will not make top 4 imo. Kane is doing major carry work at the moment and that doesn't tend to last and their game til;l now have been on the easier side. Next up it's Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Palace, Liverpool, Leicester, Wolves. They will be mid table by Christmas.
 

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Class of ego at Madrid and him stopping Eva Carneiro giving free blowjobs to everyone made him lose the dressing room. None of those situation exist at Spurs.
He's right though. Mourinho made plenty of mistakes, worst of all being the chronic alienations of most talented players (Balotelli at Inter, Pogba/Martial at United, Dele Alli/Ndombele at Spurs) but he did the right thing with that "physio" woman.
Wow....
 

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and so it’s not exactly a plus point to say Spurs can beat any other team.
I didn't put it forward as a plus point. I put it forward because it's stupid to say, as the poster I replied to said, that Spurs can't win any of their upcoming tougher fixtures.
 

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Its not an assumption, you are second because the fixture less has been a mess and it lessens the significance of the standings if other sides dont get a chance to play then of course you'll zoom up the table.
As it stands they have a better points to game ratio than you have.
You originally said that Spurs are only above Villa because they have a game in hand. This is is obviously false. We are above Villa because we have 2 more points than them, which they might or might not make up from their game in hand.
 

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I didn't put it forward as a plus point. I put it forward because it's stupid to say, as the poster I replied to said, that Spurs can't win any of their upcoming tougher fixtures.
He didn’t say that though. In fact, he literally said he isn’t saying that.
 

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You originally said that Spurs are only above Villa because they have a game in hand. This is is obviously false. We are above Villa because we have 2 more points than them, which they might or might not make up from their game in hand.
But you are the one pointing to an unbalanced league table as signs of a title challenge. Villa will be favourites to go above you since they have the second best points to game ratio in the league so yes is favoured. If they had their game in hand tomorrow they would be favourites to go above you.
So if Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton win next week before the City game and you are out of the top 4 before kick off, will you claim you are out of the title race at 5pm because youve fallen so far or will you wait until after the Spurs game?
Look, just focus on winning a few games, show sone consistency that is asked from non top 5 sides and cement your European place before reaching for title challenges. You have to walk before you can run. You had an easier fixture list so far than most and are still second based on scheduling conflicts, even then you are scraping your way through.
 

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I saw an article on a website saying that Mourinho winning the PL with Spurs will alarm United fans.

For me whilst it would piss me off, it would alarm me more of the ability of Pochettino's ability to build a title winning team because he has done exactly like that for Mourinho- built the ideal team for Mourinho which Mourinho only needed to add a Hodjberg and semi injured bale to compete for a title.
 

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But you are the one pointing to an unbalanced league table as signs of a title challenge. Villa will be favourites to go above you since they have the second best points to game ratio in the league so yes is favoured. If they had their game in hand tomorrow they would be favourites to go above you.
:lol:
It's against City at the Etihad.
 

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I actually think this Villa side beats them but then Spurs next game is v City which evens it out anyway.
So you'd give me odds against Man City to win or draw at home v Villa when the game does take place? I'd like it if you did.
 

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I saw an article on a website saying that Mourinho winning the PL with Spurs will alarm United fans.

For me whilst it would piss me off, it would alarm me more of the ability of Pochettino's ability to build a title winning team because he has done exactly like that for Mourinho- built the ideal team for Mourinho which Mourinho only needed to add a Hodjberg and semi injured bale to compete for a title.
Ole winning PL would prove how poor Jose was.

Well yeah just like that, Jose winning PL is not possible. People just get carried away easily, lets see where they will be after next 7 league games.
 
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I saw an article on a website saying that Mourinho winning the PL with Spurs will alarm United fans.

For me whilst it would piss me off, it would alarm me more of the ability of Pochettino's ability to build a title winning team because he has done exactly like that for Mourinho- built the ideal team for Mourinho which Mourinho only needed to add a Hodjberg and semi injured bale to compete for a title.
Why would it alarm United fans?

I don’t dislike Jose, he’s clearly a good manager for a period of time. He had reached the end of the road at United and was so toxic he needed to go. If he goes and wins something, good luck to him, he wouldn’t be doing it at Utd as his decision making was appalling at the end. He’s not missed.
 

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So you'd give me odds against Man City to win at home v Villa when the game does take place?
Well see when the game comes round. City have won 2 out of the last 6 league games and are struggling in front of goal only scoring more than 1 once and that was in a 5-2 loss. Youll hear nothing about St Pep though.
Villa play exactly the way that troubles City.
 

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Well see when the game comes round. City have won 2 out of the last 6 league games and are struggling in front of goal only scoring more than 1 once and that was in a 5-2 loss. Youll hear nothing about St Pep though.
Villa play exactly the way that troubles City.
Villa may well be the kind of team that troubles them, they may even win there, I wouldn't rule it out completely. Just don't see how anyone would realistically make them favourites to win, let alone odds-on favourites which is what they'd have to be if they'd be favourites to move above Spurs with that game in hand as only a win is good enough to do that.

Don't care what's said about Pep, be him saintly or not.
 

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But you are the one pointing to an unbalanced league table as signs of a title challenge. Villa will be favourites to go above you since they have the second best points to game ratio in the league so yes is favoured. If they had their game in hand tomorrow they would be favourites to go above you.
So if Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton win next week before the City game and you are out of the top 4 before kick off, will you claim you are out of the title race at 5pm because youve fallen so far or will you wait until after the Spurs game?
Look, just focus on winning a few games, show sone consistency that is asked from non top 5 sides and cement your European place before reaching for title challenges. You have to walk before you can run. You had an easier fixture list so far than most and are still second based on scheduling conflicts, even then you are scraping your way through.
Look, I'm not talking particularly about title challenges - you are the one mainly banging on about it. We are only 8 games in and it's too early for solid speculation. We are currently 2nd and we'll see how things go from here.

I began by simply pointing out that the EL scheduling issue is not an especial disadvantage for Spurs compared to the CL scheduling for Prem clubs in the CL.

Re. Villa, you are now back-tracking. You've gone from saying Spurs are ahead of Villa only because of their game in hand, to now saying Villa "will be favourites to go above you" ... and this even tho' their game in hand is away to City.