That they are doing relatively well now should actually be surprising to most as he's been labelled a dinosaur/poisonous/whatever by so many on here who keep following his career in the hope of some enormous schadenfreude.His second season is always his best, no surprise Spurs are doing ok. But it’s usually this season or bust, time and time again over the last 20 years of Jose‘ career the third season onwards is always a downward spiral.
He’ll fiz out and so will his players, the only question is can he get a trophy before it goes tits up?
I wonder if we’ll see the old contract extension after Christmas then next season ‘grumpy’ Jose appears after not getting his summer targets. Can read him like a book.
He was brought in to win something, he was never expected to win the league. I have not said he is going to change, but clearly when he joined us he joined knowing that he wouldn't get the level of players he was used to at other clubs and he wouldn't have had the expectation of being titles winners, I don't know a Spurs fan who expects us or even thought we had a chance of winning the league.Then why did you appoint him? He's a manager who unapologetically focuses on immediate success at any cost, appointing him for a rebuild or a long term project is a waste, anyone who appoints Mou should take the Inter approach, accept his MO and throw everything you can into getting that quick success.
He won't change either (you're starting to really see that now with his approach since the WHU game), with all due respect he wouldn't change for the biggest club the world, the club he made his name at or his supposed dream job so he won't be breaking that trend for anyone else.
Form is temporary.You can just see Jose winning the league this season. It can only happen to Utd.
Don't see that happening. The Europa League will take a lot out of the squad, and they would need Kane to be fit at the pivotal points of the season.You can just see Jose winning the league this season. It can only happen to Utd.
European competitions will take a lot out of all the title contenders - it doesn't affect Spurs more than anyone else.Don't see that happening. The Europa League will take a lot out of the squad, and they would need Kane to be fit at the pivotal points of the season.
It's written for them to win a trophy, possibly the League Cup given their route so far.
Top four is definitely within their grasp. Them or Leicester could break into it from last season's pack.
No side has won the league with a Thursday-Sunday routine.European competitions will take a lot out of all the title contenders - it doesn't affect Spurs more than anyone else.
Moreover, you could pick a key player from all the contenders - e.g. De Bruyne from City or Vardy from Leicester - and say that they might struggle without them. Again it doesn't especially affect Spurs more than anyone else.
They dont need good performances, just need Kane Son or Bale to score.I'm pretty sure they will implode with tougher matches after the break. Back to fighting for top 6 from there on. After their win against us, they have been awfull apart from the first half against West Ham. No need to be talking of title challenges, won't happen...
It's a 3 day gap. It equals the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday for some CL teams.No side has won the league with a Thursday-Sunday routine.
Are you going to continue to post on here when Spurs’ hopes hit the buffers, or will it be another disappearing act?It's a 3 day gap. It equals the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday for some CL teams.
No EL team has won the Prem title because teams that qualified for the EL the previous season have so far not been generally as good (in the following season) as teams that finished top 4 in that same season. It has nothing to do with the scheduling.
Chelsea and Leicester have won leagues from finishing outside the top 4 within the last few years so EL does play a part.It's a 3 day gap. It equals the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday for some CL teams.
No EL team has won the Prem title because teams that qualified for the EL the previous season have so far not been generally as good (in the following season) as teams that finished top 4 in that same season. It has nothing to do with the scheduling.
I'm going to continue posting about football, rather than making false claims about individual posters. The most recent poster who made the same false claim pointed to the closing stages of last season, but didn't seem to realise that this was a period when Spurs had a very good run of results .... even tho' I chose not to comment on any of them and was in fact taking an extended break from all things internet.Are you going to continue to post on here when Spurs’ hopes hit the buffers, or will it be another disappearing act?
Tell me why the 3 day gap from Thursday to Sunday is worse than the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday.Chelsea and Leicester have won leagues from finishing outside the top 4 within the last few years so EL does play a part.
Literally everybody on each side of EL places have won leagues titles.
It is not. We are not seeing any effects that Europa league is causing problems to teams so far.Tell me why the 3 day gap from Thursday to Sunday is worse than the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday.
And how do you excuse his fallout with the Madrid squad and Chelsea squad right before he joined United. Is it always the board's fault?You guys keep saying "he will be negative , he will turn toxic" without realizing what makes him toxic in first place and why he became toxic in the end with United. It's because the board / Woodward back the players ( such as Pogba, Martial and Rashford ) over him. At United he had players who threw tantrum just because of shirt number, at United he had players who scream "attack, attack , attack , united way" on the media which literally undermine his position as manager , so many players cried when he publicly criticized them instead of trying to prove him wrong on the pitch, he also has the board who thought they know about football better than him, i am pretty sure he didn't want to start Pogba at all in his last season let alone giving him captaincy but Ed Woodward force him to . All those thing doesn't exist at Spurs ,did you watch the spurs documentary and see how Levy literally adored him ? At Spurs he is their most important person, he has mature and professional players who only focused at football , players who trust and bought into his ideas , he made Kane and Son tracking back and playing like CB/Fullback but none of them cried to the media because of it. These players has been trophyless for so long so they won't have inflated ego to class with him and if he had a beef with players he can simply get rid of them no problem without anyone questioning ( example, Dele Alli and Danny Rose ) which is why i am very sure he won't turn toxic there.
I prefer to have this kind of manager than the one who grinning from ear to ear when losing.
Surely with champions league you end up playing a variety ofTell me why the 3 day gap from Thursday to Sunday is worse than the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday.
Its not the same because in the CL you play on Wednesday's every other matchday and quite often when you do play Wednesday you get a Sunday game in the PL.It's a 3 day gap. It equals the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday for some CL teams.
No EL team has won the Prem title because teams that qualified for the EL the previous season have so far not been generally as good (in the following season) as teams that finished top 4 in that same season. It has nothing to do with the scheduling.
Overall it is the same though. 2 games per 7 days on average if we do not include IB.Surely with champions league you end up playing a variety of
Tuesday-Saturday
Tuesday-Sunday
Wednesday-Saturday
Wednesday-Sunday
Only 1 of those 4 scenarios gives the same amount of rest days as the europa league teams. There's also 2 extra games to play in the europa league (round of 32) if you reach the final compared to CL teams.
I don't know how much effect Europa has on league form (if any), would need to look at some analysis of the stats, but it's certainly not something that's been made up this season to bash Spurs. It's said about every team in Europa every year.
Exactly so. In the end, depending on how far each team goes in their respective European competitions, it's the same number of games in the same period of time. There is no magical scheduling advantage to playing in the CL.Overall it is the same though. 2 games per 7 days on average if we do not include IB.
CL should give more fatigue though since teams in that tournament rotates less.
Because youre always the one playing catchup. You have more rounds to play and are likely to go further because of the shit level of competition youre up against.Tell me why the 3 day gap from Thursday to Sunday is worse than the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday.
It's down to a few factors, not least distance travelled. Depends on your CL/EL groupTell me why the 3 day gap from Thursday to Sunday is worse than the 3 day gap from Wednesday to Saturday.
Always? It's early days, but right now there is only one team that is not looking up the table towards Spurs: are these other teams not having to play catch-up?Because youre always the one playing catchup. You have more rounds to play and are likely to go further because of the shit level of competition youre up against.
Youre guarenteed to play Thursday to Sunday while the CL teams are rotated from Tuesday to Wednesday.
Catchup in terms of playing after rivals have.Always? It's early days, but right now there is only one team that is not looking up the table towards Spurs: are these other teams not having to play catch-up?
The lower level of competition means more scope for resting and rotating your better players. So it's swings and roundabouts.
To say that Spurs are disadvantaged in the league (compared to other potential title contenders) because of EL participation doesn't really hold water.
And yet we're 2nd in the table and have won all of our last 3 league games ... so your "evidence" looks shaky.Catchup in terms of playing after rivals have.
You arent exactly resting your players though. Kane has played in all but 1 of those 6 games and even played 3 times in the qualifiers The one time you did rotate Jose subbed 4 off at half time and told the world this is why they dont play.
You have already played 6 times in Europe this season and have been looking tired over the last 3 games. Those last 3 games have all been after your first 3 group stage matches. The evidence is already there.
You can argue all you want but its a proven fact that EL stops you competing for top titles no matter how hard you want to argue against it.
Add in Spurs being Spurs and its a ridiculous argument to make.
Nope, but if you go far in EL it is two more games to be played. So come spring it could be easier to play in CL if you go very far.Exactly so. In the end, depending on how far each team goes in their respective European competitions, it's the same number of games in the same period of time. There is no magical scheduling advantage to playing in the CL.
We bought into his methods for 2 seasons, but ultimately decided the methods weren't good enough. And rightly so, especially when our direct rivals were winning everything with scintillating football.In my opinion, José is a significantly better manager and coach than Ole is.
But the thing is that the club and its players have to buy in to his methods.
Methods which have been highly successful at every club he has been at.
And if that doesn't happen, then the outcome is not good.
What he has done at Tottenham is clear to see.
Defensively well organised.
Difficult to beat.
And every player having to produce 8/10 performances on a consistent basis.
Initially that happened at OT (81 points year 2), but as soon as a number of players who had not bought in to his methods and were dropped as a result, there was disharmony.
So, providing you stick with his methods, you will be successful.
If not, we know what happens.
And Leicester are top. So were Southampton this week. Youre only ahead of Villa because you playes a game more.And yet we're 2nd in the table and have won all of our last 3 league games ... so your "evidence" looks shaky.
This is why im not making any predictions yet for Spurs until that run of fixtures is overthe run they have coming will destroy them. we will be back to jose excuses in 3-4 weeks.
yep. Jose could indeed Jose those fixtures and get some damn good results. more likely for me is that they lose most of them, kane gets injured and we're listening to him slag Bergwijn and Bale's form by the end of the next three weeks.This is why im not making any predictions yet for Spurs until that run of fixtures is over
