[simplyared]

The reason we lost that game is down to the manager. Not replacing Fred is a massive mistake which had massive consequences for the club. I'm feckin sure we'd have won that game if our manager had done the obvious thing. We've got Pogba, VDB, and Matic on the bench. Ffs!

 

[joker00]

So:

Win - top the group
Draw - finish second (most likely)
Lose - Europa league

we don’t usually do ourselves any favors in these situations

Even if we win we won't be 1st.
Psg should draw with Istanbul bb in Paris, so..

 

[AndyMUFC]

Shouldn’t have lost that, very small margins as other than the first and last 15 minutes of the game we were the better team.

Guess we didn’t take Fred off because we’ve got nobody as mobile but that killed the game after their second.

 

[pratyush_utd]

This nonsense that "he doesn't trust his midfielders" should stop. He could have taken off a striker and brought two and hit PSG on counter. Fred was off the moment he went into a challenge and if Ole couldn't see that then I seriously question his managerial credentials. Fred in that position has to make a challenge and he was always a liability. Disastrous call.

 

[The Brown Bull]

Anyone else think Bruno should have scored from the Cavani rebound instead of laying off to Martial?

 

[Longshanks]

We never do things easily do we!? Take our chances tonight and we would of been through, should of won, at the very least got the point we needed based on our performance.

Oh well we go again, still in it with a decent chance of going through from a difficult group.

 

[TMDaines]

PSG are third and we’re top with a better GD. How do PSG win the group if they match our result? I’m a bit confused

We’re currently top on the 3-way H2H GD only. It’s H2H tiebreakers first.

 

[Motorman]

How did Fred not get subbed. feck sake.

Van De Beek could easily have slotted in there.

Martial misses x 2 should have been taken

 

[Reynoldo]

Win and we finish 2nd if PSG match our result. It will only be 2-way H2H and PSG’s is superior after that late goal.

Ah ok, so it’s worse then

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

Ole cost us the game.
1) the most obvious not taking off Fred
2) being to defensive and not trusting our ability to play against PSG, despite having two cdm’s we still created chances, imagine if we had DVB or Pogba instead of Fred
3) Took too long to make changes, as soon as we equalised and it was at 1-1 he was content to keep it like that... yet PSG were making changes.
4) His subs didn’t make any sense, we’re losing yet he leaves us with one 18 year old alone up front and then brings on Igalo having previously taken off Cavani who is xxxx times better.

What this match did show is that we have some great players.

 

[caid]

Not taking Fred off at half time shows how little Ole trusts in other options, at least defensively.

Fred was always going to go the first tackle he made. He's not that much better than other options, at least they can tackle without getting sent off. He should have been subbed immediately after headbutting someone. Take the get out of jail free card, instead of leaving it and hoping for the best.

 

[Siorac]

If a player who got booked in the first half can't be trusted to finish the game, the player shouldnt be playing

There's a difference between booking and booking. If he had committed a tactical foul to stop a counter-attack, it would have been reasonable to leave him on.

Fred, however, had a number of close calls, he responded to Paredes' provocation the worst possible way - clearly, his head wasn't quite right.

 

[FrankDrebin]

All down to our sh*t performance in Turkey. Off the back of two vital wins against PSG and Liepzig we proceed to bottle it in the easiest fixture. Sums up Ole's time coaching us.

 

[MZX7]

I thought he will sub Fred at 35 minutes into the game. Then I was sure, there's no way Fred would come back on after half-time. But, also, the one person who had the power to make that call is the one and only person who thought it was a good idea not to sub him off.

Worst decision by any manager ever. The feck was he thinking?

Also, Martial can go sulk at another club now. His time at United is running on fumes.

Rashford needs to pick up his game where he left off before lockdown.

Bruno needs to start influencing big games more than what he did today.

De Gea should have stopped the first two PSG goals. Both the times he would've fared better using his hands and body than trying to use his feet to block the ball. The last goal was always coming with so many of our players up the field.

Cavani was the only highlight of the game for us.

Disappointing night!

 

[Agila Dathi]

How does it go, if we end up even on points, wich comes first, head to head or goal difference?

 

[Lanesy]

Martial and Rashford need to work harder if they’re going to play on the wings, especially in big games like tonight. Poor AWB and Telles weren’t getting much help defensively but they both did well coping. It was the kind of game that SAF would’ve played a Ji-Sung Park type on the wing.

Fred and McTom covered a lot of ground as usual, I thought McTom was class and he’s looking more and more composed on the ball with every game that he plays.

In hindsight, of course Ole should’ve taken Fred off, but I understand his hesitancy to do so as we don’t have a like for like change. Matic hasn’t got the legs to play in a 2 man midfield and Pogba doesn’t work hard enough and can be a liability defensively.

Heartbreaking result really, considering how well we played for the most part.

 

[cptkeane1993]

I agree. I love the fact that Ole went for it, instead of going for damage limitation. Fergie would have done the exact same. It will pay off in the long run, I think.

If you look at the way the team worked and gave PSG a proper game... You didn't see that passion and aggression from any of our previous teams under Moyes, LvG and Mou.

Yes, Fred should have been on the bench for the second half. But Ole gambled and credit to him for daring to do so.

Wow that's very positive, and some perspective. Thanks for that!

 

[JG3001]

Games like this (and there’s plenty) show why there’s a significant portion of fans who believe Martial, and to a slightly lesser extent, Rashford, should not be first team choices.

Got slagged off for calling Martial a poor mans Berbatov a while back, I stand by that statement.

 

[TheRedHearted]

Anyone could see Fred was like a headless chicken out there. A good manager would have taken him off.

I would have put Pogba on for him in that deeper role strangely enough.

 

[MattyLT]

Once again, only got to watch the second half. And based on what I've seen, I don't think the result reflected the match at all. Thought United looked the most dangerous team throughout that half. Even after going one man down, still the better team. Glad to see them giving it all to try and get that one point. PSGs 3rd goal is just a consequence of that. Maybe the first half was terrible, I wouldn't know yet.

Fred's second yellow was a foul on him by the PSG player. Fred is clearly on the ball, no dangerous play, no showing of studs. It's the PSG player who's late, and ends up ramming his knee into Fred's thigh. Should've been a United free kick.

Maguire impressed me with his attacking intent - especially after going one man down. Thought he carried the ball well, and provided some slick, fairly high-risk passes that made things happen. Excellent cameo by Greenwood as well. Really showed he's got much more to offer than just goalscoring instincts. Ran rings around the PSG players at times.

Bad result, good performance (based on the 2nd half).

 

[Inigo Montoya]

We dont have to beat Leipzig. Except for winning the group, but a draw sees us through

Why do we want to go through? We aren’t savvy enough. We have zero tactical acumen. We have a coach who isn’t learning

Bruno is keeping him in the job from game to game

 

[RedDevil@84]

Rashford looked off the pace pretty early on. I wonder who made the decision to start him, if he was unfit in any way. Getting him injured with all important December will be the last thing we should be doing

Martial was expectedly crap. He is not in form and he is not the kind of player who is useful when in half form. He, like Pogba is either good or crap. And it shows.

Some unlucky moments for us and some dumb moments too.

Ole sticking on to Fred is beyond understanding. It cost us any chances of a comeback. Also his weird decision to take Cavani off and then try to get Ighalo in at the end. Clearly it reflects bad on Ole and shows him completely confused with what he is doing.

We could have won maybe. But I think we should have showed more urgency. We reacted chaotically to the first goal too. It was weird. We should have been confident

 

[OrcaFat]

I see the usual hysteria. We played alright, on another night we’d have won.

Fred is an important player for us, I can understand why Ole wanted him out there. Sure he was on the edge but the second yellow was a joke. Tough decision not to sub him and it didn’t pan out but that’s football, people.

If we don’t get a draw against Leipzig that’s more of an issue, of course. But I think we will get what we need. And don’t forget PSG are no mugs. Stick Neymar and Mbappe in any team and they give you a decent prospect.

 

[NJM78]

4th loss at home this season already. Martial was shocking indront of goal, Bruno was off it but still could have had an assist or two.

Ole though was poor, Fred should have come off and the subs should have been earlier with Cavani never being one to come off eitherwhen chasing a goal.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Anyone else think Bruno should have scored from the Cavani rebound instead of laying off to Martial?

Yes. And he had a chance at the end of the first to put his foot through it but passed to Cavani

 

[always_hoping]

A game of fine margins United did more than enough and created enough chances to at least draw.

1st and 2nd goals was real lucky goals especially the 2nd one that could be flagged for offside on another night.

Fred lucky to avoid red 1st half and it would be game over for United if he had then, he learnt nothing from avoiding that red, why he wasn't taken off is puzzling.

With the misses by United especially Martial 2nd half United without doubt was architects of their own downfall tonight. To rub salt into the wounds a 3rd goal against the run of play and counter attack that now means PSG will finish top of this group.

Plenty of regrets about tonights match but I can't help feeling that stupid loss in Istanbul will come back to haunt the most.

 

[Siorac]

Reminds me of how we threw the game away vs Sevilla

Eerily similar actually, right down to the early second half onslaught at 1-1.

I expect something similar at Leipzig.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

4th loss at home this season already. Martial was shocking indront of goal, Bruno was off it but still could have had an assist or two.

Ole though was poor, Fred should have come off and the subs should have been earlier with Cavani never being one to come off eitherwhen chasing a goal.

Why for goodness sake can we not set our team up to win at home.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

4th loss at home this season already. Martial was shocking indront of goal, Bruno was off it but still could have had an assist or two.

Ole though was poor, Fred should have come off and the subs should have been earlier with Cavani never being one to come off eitherwhen chasing a goal.

Yes because Ighalo is going to get you a goal against PSG

 

[Tom Cato]

Why do we want to go through? We aren’t savvy enough. We have zero tactical acumen. We have a coach who isn’t learning

Bruno is keeping him in the job from game to game

You forgot the /sarcasm tag my friend, nice jokes though

 

[Coops73]

That was on Ole in my opinion. I was screaming for Fred to be hooked at halftime, as well as Martial.

Ole wants five subs in the Prem, he gets the chance to utilise that in the CL but makes his first sub at 74 minutes and that was only because Rashford was injured. Bizarre.

We played OKbut these were there for the taking.

 

[Suvvernmanc]

Hitler was bad in the World!

Neymar is bad in the football World!

Can't wait when he will retire! I never want any player to get injured but he would deserve to get a nasty injury soon!

Jesus.. have a word with yourself. Posts like this do my head in

 

[Redfrog]

Fred the Red

 

[Tom Cato]

Why for goodness sake can we not set our team up to win at home.

Are you suggesting we had to create MORE chances to win? And by chances I mean "just tap it in the net and it's a goal" chances.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Hitler was bad in the World!

Neymar is bad in the football World!

Can't wait when he will retire! I never want any player to get injured but he would deserve to get a nasty injury soon!

Ridiculous

 

[FrankDrebin]

All we needed was a draw. Ole was too naive. Thinking of the short game but not the long.

 

[sammsky1]

I love Ole and have backed him to the hilt but that was fecking awful from him.

Can't blame a single player because the coach has cost us the game tonight. There were several shocking and amateur decisions:

• Leaving Martial on when we were well on top and he was awful.
• Leaving Fred on when everybody with eyes knew he was going to get sent off.
• Taking Cavani off when we were chasing and needed a presence up front.

Am as big a fan of Ole as you are and I also totally agree with every point you made.

Keeping Fred on made no sense whatsoever. If OGS was concerned that Matic didn’t have the legs to replace Fred, then he should have brought on Matic and Donny/Pogba in place of Fred and a striker, and played with a diamond.

I think Cavani was done when he came off. I noticed him struggling to keep pace a few moments before he came off.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

Mood after the game: frustration.

We could have won, probably deserved a draw. But lost.

I'm firmly in the 'Ole in' camp, but it seemed obvious the Fred would go if he stayed on the pitch. Not sure how Ole can justify leaving him on given the circumstances.

Martial has had five years at the club. Not sure how long we can wait on him to suddenly change into the player we want him to be. Feels like a Nani situation, because the flashes of talent give enough hope but in reality he's never going to be a reliable striker for a team wanting to win the league or Champions League. At this level you have to be clinical and his misses cost United tonight.

 

[HaliRed]

Tough loss. The team missed a couple of sitters to settle the tie, and then add on the Cavani crossbar, Bruno passing a couple of times instead of shooting...We let PSG have this.

I understand momentum was on our side, but Fred should have come off after their second goal.

My wish for next matchday...We draw against Leipzig and PSG lose. Nothing would please me more than those diving whiny c&%#s ending up in the Europa League.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Are you suggesting we had to create MORE chances to win? And by chances I mean "just tap it in the net and it's a goal" chances.

Well somebody who can put the ball in the net on a consistent basis would help. Martial is too flakey for me.