Whole different kettle of fish. It’s somewhat fascinating though that we are able to now see down to the granular level of official / player interaction. In a full stadium, such colloquial language might often not get heard clearly by someone close by, but now it apparently does. That alone demands a change in protocol for officials, especially of that level.
Racism incident in PSG v Istanbul match
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Maybe but the whole circus around it is a pure shame ! I say it considering the real pain that nobody speak about
I wont but I have a wife who says this is all bullshit, you are diluting racism, I have lived it everyday, in supermarkets and even in swimming pools, things would would not comprehend people saying to someone else. I just find it odd when this gets people arguing. By this point if you dont realise my wife is mixed race, you are pretty thick.
But your a assassin and Sam inside is a terrorist and your in a shoot to kill scenario...Can't ask for Sam then!!!You'd just say he's in there and the guy would go in and ask for Sam. These made up scenarios are daft as
The black guy is upset about potentially being referred to by his skin color.
Why?
moral of the story, learn English you Latin cnuts.
I pray this is a joke I don't want to go off on this.
Couldn’t care less, sport. But there’s quite a difference in protocol for management v. subordinate in business. This is basic common sense.You're desperate to let everyone know you have people that work under you aren't you champ?
This will be a somewhat tragic event unfortunately.I think one of the biggest things people should take from this is that it's a very subjective matter that needs discussion at the highest level. At what point is the line crossed between being culturally/ educationally ignorant and being racist? How do you separate the two? And at what point is punishment due?
I can understand being offended by being singled out through your race or conplextion, but not the entirety of the world is versed in these issues and are most likely ignorant to the fact they could be taken in a derogatory fashion. In which case education during training on this matter is needed, worldwide, if you are to take part in such events.
I feel sorry for both of them.
I’m baked right now & could be completely off the mark here with this metaphor, but the Streisand Effect will be very much in play here.
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Why would it be wrong to debate if a reaction is over the top or not?
I honestly find the entire thing pretty fecking absurd, the amount of use of the N-word in the music industry, players referring to other players (friends) as negrito, Patrice Evra joking around with the N-word, the entire italian football scene, the world we live in with the vast amount of cultures, it's all around us, the general awareness, most people are usually able to differentiate between the innocent and the opposite.....And the first match that gets abandoned is in relation to a referee, communicating with his colleagues in their own languages, and using the color of someones skin to identify who he's referring to.
I know what your point is: the context of slavery and oppression towards black people.
But does that make you condone the racial insult towards Doncic?
Because historically the reference to a black man skin is pejorative in particular in Europe and North America.
It means that the two are not at all comparable yes.
But you do think the comment towards Doncic was bad? You agree with that?
Does he speak romanian?
I’m equally intrigued by your comment. The basketball example is clearly much worse right as it’s said with pejorative intent?
He was overheard saying ‘if it was a white guy, would you call him a white guy?’ What are you actually on about. He knows what he said and he isn’t happy about it
Yes of course but doesn't mean it is comparable. As you know due to historical context.
I would counsel you not use gender descriptors/pronouns. If a member of staff overheard you and they got offended they may escalate things and who knows..
I've already answered that bit, you chose not to reply to it, do you want me to repeat it?
I honestly have no idea what your point is to be honest. I have no idea whether he speaks Romanian
It is also a bad incident. But historical context and systematic oppression is just another level of bad. I'm sorry and kind of annoyed to have to explain it.
Good to know you agree that calling Doncic a bitch ass white boy was a bad comment by the other NBA player.
It’s not your place to even worry about that. I have no idea if you are a person of color or not, but even if you are, it’s not your place to worry about that. Ba took offense to a potentially racially method of singling him out. This is on Ba & rightfully so, he has the right to be pissed.
This is devolving into a chess match against a pigeon. If you can’t see the issues at play here, it’s not worth continuing to interact. We’re not discussing the philosophy of racism here, we’re discussing how & why it was inappropriate for the official to have acted the way he did.
What was your point?
I had gathered that, and you're equally thick if you think "well, one mixed race person agrees with me, so all black people must think the same".
Also Harrell admitted his fault and apologized to Doncic. And the story wasn't unnoticed.
I sadly agree. I loved the solidarity between teams but I feel this could have been avoided if somehow* it was discussed calmly, as I'm sure, any sane person would immediately apologize if they meant no disrespect and explained the clash of language and culture.
*I say somehow, as I wouldn't know if that would be possible given I can't relate myself at all to the situation and reaction.
It's not nice to call people a 'bitch ass white boy'. It's not nice to call people 'baldy' either.
Some on there aren't debating, they're saying Ba is wrong to feel the way he does. They're taking his agency from him.
You’re not entirely wrong. It’s tough to tread when it comes to descriptors, no doubt.
Brilliant post, though.
Fair play to him for doing that. He did wrong for sure.
Well, if he doesn't speak Romanian then i'm fairly certain he won't have understood the full context of it, and it's easier to instantly get riled up to the point where calming down takes time?
In terms of Ba's assumption that the referee would never use white guy to differentiate between people, it's an assumption from his side, how the feck would anyone know, it's hardly an argument that carries any weight. If Ba was going on about using any color what so ever, then i'd understand his point...
Of course this and the NBA case are not equal.
The latter is clearly a racist slur while this doesn't seem to, by any means (but is still inappropriate, just not racist).
I would imagine most people would prefer to not be referred to by their skin colour, even if they feel, within a particular context, it isn't inherently racist to do so. I think descriptors are just generally rude, no matter the context, especially if the person being talked about is within earshot.
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