I think he means dribbling, otherwise the post is way off, by a number of players.Did Wayne Rooney never happen?
I think he means dribbling, otherwise the post is way off, by a number of players.Did Wayne Rooney never happen?
The only way I can see this working is if we play Rashford, Grealish, Martial but they are all interchangeable. So even though the team sheet shows Rashford for example as RW he would spend as much time on the left or even the center and same with Grealish. Also he would be a good option to play at 10 and give Bruno a rest. I cant see VDB being that good as a 10.Is there any reputable source out there hinting at what his release clause might be? Has been suggested in numerous places there is one and it was increased when he signed his new deal.
Also he's developed in to a fantastic player but I do wonder where he would fit in at United?
- LW - Rashford here + it arguably might still be Martial's best position too.
- RW - would be pretty wasted out here, also probably wouldn't provide the width Utd need out here as AWB isn't good enough going forward to do so either.
- MF 3 - with Bruno as well this would be too attack-minded, especially without a pure DM at the moment which Fred isn't really.
Mate, haven't you heard? He's an overrated ball hog who can't hack it at a big club.The most fun thing of all when watching Grealish is how opponents treat him in this all-action pressing age, they're not sure what to actually do. You barrel into him, you sell yourself and he skips past you; you stand off, he slowly advances towards you encroaching on the space you're hesitant to take up; he goes for a pressing run and you see players tracking him being unsure whether to go for it with all they have or try and time their stab-tackles whilst not over-committing or unbalancing themselves.
What he shows is that the skill is timeless and effective in any era. All those 'walking footballers' would be just as effective now as they were in their own day because it's never just a case of fitness or athleticism; skill of that sort buys time and creates a stream of doubt in the mind of defenders who don't know what the best option between sticking and twisting is. Further still, if they get done just a couple of times in a half, they're already conditioned to not have it happen again.
Not only his dribbling as I don't see him so much as a dribbler, more the way he goes past players as if he just brushes them aside. He possesses skills I haven't seen in a British player since the days of Paul Gasgoigne. Maybe I'm a bit early placing him above Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham etc. However going on entertainment value alone I'd have him above any of those players.I think he means dribbling, otherwise the post is way off, by a number of players.
Certainly has it in his locker, and does seem to relish the physical aspect of the game if it so happens to be there. It's just funny to me how far removed a player like that can make modern tactics as opposing players instinctively know over-zealously committing in a rabid pack is a bad idea, and with his reputation now preceding him, are playing with caution in their approach to him now where previously, they wanted to see what he was about and whether he could be put off his game.Mate, haven't you heard? He's an overrated ball hog who can't hack it at a big club.
But seriously, barrelling into him isn't all that effective either. He's built like an ox himself so any defender that clatters him is taking a beating himself. I'm amazed by the maturity in his passing. He almost always picks the right time to play a five yard pass or a through ball and uses that overlapping runner - El Ghazi or Targett so well.
Running with the ball and in consistency in those actions, sure. But you have a number of outstanding players in other aspects that Grealish is not going to get near in terms of what they themselves excelled at, which is no slight on him as, just as with ball carriage, you're moving into very specific territory. For example, never in his life will Grealish be able to pass a ball like Scholes or Beckham, or explode into world class actions like Rooney or Gerrard, but yes, for running with the ball, he's comfortably in the conversation as next in line to succeed Gascoigne if he keeps this level of play up.Not only his dribbling as I don't see him so much as a dribbler, more the way he goes past players as if he just brushes them aside. He possesses skills I haven't seen in a British player since the days of Paul Gasgoigne. Maybe I'm a bit early placing him above Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham etc. However going on entertainment value alone I'd have him above any of those players.
If he learns to just pull the trigger when he gets the chance a la Ronaldo I actually think he'll be world class. A world class player at Aston Villa.Certainly has it in his locker, and does seem to relish the physical aspect of the game if it so happens to be there. It's just funny to me how far removed a player like that can make modern tactics as opposing players instinctively know over-zealously committing in a rabid pack is a bad idea, and with his reputation now preceding him, are playing with caution in their approach to him now where previously, they wanted to see what he was about and whether he could be put off his game.
His passing and ability to pick out his mark has been showcased this season. I think it's fair to say he warrants the majority of the hype he's getting. I know for myself, he's a highly entertaining player to watch and he would be sure to put bums on seats wherever he went.
It's a shame for the Villa fans that during what looks like his ascendancy, they can't go and watch him in capacity stadiums as full return may well coincide with him being on his way to a new club.
SAF brought players if they were too good to pass regardless of squad balance.I don’t think we desperately need him but agree he is class and would only add another dimension to our depth.
I think the only way he plays would be off the left side unless we rotate him with Bruno.
I’ve not seen him play off the right side as you suggest in some of those lineups although I haven’t seen all his games.
When discussing our attacking options I think an elite Striker is of more importance but would still love to add Grealish for depth and in this form he would play his way into the side no doubt.
This is the problem. We get in Grealish and all it does is give us issues. He's the right player, but at the wrong time. The last thing we really need is a LW option unless we decide to sell one of Martial/Rashford.Is there any reputable source out there hinting at what his release clause might be? Has been suggested in numerous places there is one and it was increased when he signed his new deal.
Also he's developed in to a fantastic player but I do wonder where he would fit in at United?
- LW - Rashford here + it arguably might still be Martial's best position too.
- RW - would be pretty wasted out here, also probably wouldn't provide the width Utd need out here as AWB isn't good enough going forward to do so either.
- MF 3 - with Bruno as well this would be too attack-minded, especially without a pure DM at the moment which Fred isn't really.
He's at a level of his own right now. Playing in the toughest league in the world and he just seems to waltz past players. Best British player we've produced since Gascoigne!
Best player in the league is a bit of a stretch. Top 10 maybe.As I said, get him in the side and figure the rest out later. This is like when Barnes played for Watford. He's the best player in the league playing with ineptitude all around him. Throw him some quality and he'll have opposition fans reeling. Just get him in.
Aouar isn't fit to lace Jacks boots.Undoubtedly class player but off the pitch issues and the fact we could get a cheaper younger alternative in Aouar (who would arguably suit our needs more) means the shop has sailed
No player in the league consistently gets it done like he does.Best player in the league is a bit of a stretch. Top 10 maybe.
I was referring to Hazard, and it’s a reasonable enough equation to refer to him as a forward.that is not good maths. Maybe he is a bit flavour of the month at the mo but at least he’s earned it, James Rodriguez had a bit of that before fading back into irrelevance.
Ooh sorry, my apologies. Just copy and paste the consensus for me from now on.Seems to me that you enjoy the attention you get from being controvertial.
Grealish is, in my opinion, the best progressive player in the PL. He is perhaps not the most progressive player. I’m sure their are a central defender or right back who moves the ball more yards than him in a progressive direction. But Grealish moves the ball into a dangerous space. No other attacker in the PL comes close to moving the ball as progressively as Grealish. He is also the ball player with most touches in the PL in the penalty box. This is factual and undisputable. You might understand the implication of it or you might not.
Only two players have completed more passes in the penalty box, Trent and KdB. He is also the player with most shots creating actions and shots creating passes per 90 min by a great distance. Only Bruno and KdB have made more goal creating actions (marginally), obviously benefiting from playing with better players. Yes, he has done this at Aston Villa.
To claim that he keeps the ball just to keep it is just ignorant. He is, along with Bruno and KdB, the most productive player in the league.
Nope. Hes a left winger or a #10. The way he dribbles and moves and passes is like Hazard. He's an attacker, not a central midfielder. Bruno Fernandes is a #10 as well, one of the best in the world or could also be a half 8/ half 10 in the right system like KdB under Pep. Grealish and Bruno together would need an all time great holding midfielder behind them though to make it work.Do people think he could play central midfield alongside Bruno and an athletic DM? That’s the only way we sign him I think and I’m not sure it would suit him.
Yep, the prices quoted do concern me considering we still have gaping issues across the pitch that need rectifying first, namely in defence, defensive midfield, the right wing and perhaps up front if we aren't hoping to rely on 34 year old Cavani, or Rashford/Martial rolling the dice with their finishing game in and game out. We can't patch over any of those issues by shoehorning Grealish into the side, no matter how good he is.Seems Jack will be this year's Sancho.
We need a 'Carrick' like signing and maybe even a long term 35 goals/year striker first.
He was among the three best in the league on the same metrics I mentioned last season too;Last season the only stat he was topping was the amount of times he’s fouled. It was constantly being used as some sort of praise for him, as if it is to be celebrated.
And how, in your wisdom and qualification, do you discern who is being ‘contrarian for the attention they get from it’?He was among the three best in the league on the same metrics I mentioned last season too;
- Progression with the ball and with a high degree of touched in the final third and penalty box,
- Numbers of completed passes in the penalty box,
- Shot creating actions and passes,
A player who hold on to the ball just for the sake off it would not produce great numbers in the PL on these areas. Other players who do are KdB, TAA and Bruno. Grealish did so for a poor team, and produce even better numbers as the level of his team mates has improved.
And to be clear, I have no problem with people trying to be contrarian. In fact, it is often a good thing. But sometimes people come across as contrarian due to the attention they get from it, and then it is often less well founded.
I get your point, but Fernandinho was hardly an all-time great DM and he worked behind KDB and Silva. I know the style of play was different and it was Pep etc., but I don’t think it’s that far-fetched. The absolute crucial thing in that case would be finding that pacey CB (Konate/Axel) to allow us to play a higher line so that we’re not expecting Grealish to defend right outside his own box.Nope. Hes a left winger or a #10. The way he dribbles and moves and passes is like Hazard. He's an attacker, not a central midfielder. Bruno Fernandes is a #10 as well, one of the best in the world or could also be a half 8/ half 10 in the right system like KdB under Pep. Grealish and Bruno together would need an all time great holding midfielder behind them though to make it work.
Same with me, I just don't know how player would react if Ole suddenly sends him on the right wing in hopes he can do same he did on the left and middle.I can`t remember the last time i watched Grealish and felt that he is just overhyped garbage. He is constantly among the best players on the pitch whenever he plays.
I know! That is why it is so surprising!And how, in your wisdom and qualification, do you discern who is being ‘contrarian for the attention they get from it’?
This isn’t fecking high school, what the feck do I care for shock value on Redcafe.
I watch Grealish play often enough. He gets the ball often, with players snapping around him, and it often doesn’t seem to hurry him, it’s like ‘challenge accepted’ almost, which results in a free kick. Bruno Fernandes, as an example, has a totally different approach to the game, and also creates plenty.I know! That is why it is so surprising!
But why would anyone claim that Grealish holds on to the ball just for the sake of it or to be flashy, when it is so far from the truth?
(And that is how I would discern it, someone making a postulate that is very controvertial and obviously wrong.)
If we were to sign him he'd still be that Bruno/Pogba alternativeSame with me, I just don't know how player would react if Ole suddenly sends him on the right wing in hopes he can do same he did on the left and middle.
For a good price still the most obvious deal we could make in the summer, but feels like that right wing must be finally sorted someday.
Think its important to note that it was Pep coaching it, while also David Silva and De Bruyne are much better in possession than either Grealish or Bruno (maybe similar stylistically but probably both a cut above in overall quality, not to discredit Bruno or Grealish at all). And Fernandinho that year was fantastic and they've struggled to replace his impact.I get your point, but Fernandinho was hardly an all-time great DM and he worked behind KDB and Silva. I know the style of play was different and it was Pep etc., but I don’t think it’s that far-fetched. The absolute crucial thing in that case would be finding that pacey CB (Konate/Axel) to allow us to play a higher line so that we’re not expecting Grealish to defend right outside his own box.
Gets what done exactly? The overrating of Grealish is incredible.No player in the league consistently gets it done like he does.
Gets what done exactly? The overrating of Grealish is incredible.
I mean Salah and KDB have been 'getting it done' since Grealish was in the Championship.
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Grealish creates a similar amount of shots and goals as Bruno.I watch Grealish play often enough. He gets the ball often, with players snapping around him, and it often doesn’t seem to hurry him, it’s like ‘challenge accepted’ almost, which results in a free kick. Bruno Fernandes, as an example, has a totally different approach to the game, and also creates plenty.