Klopper76
"Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"
I've been thinking about making this thread for a couple of days now. During this season we've seen all three of the above managers come under pressure, so much so that all three have been on the verge of getting the sack at one point or another.
The point of this thread is to discuss why football fans are so impatient now. Is this a symptom of the modern football fan? Is it because there's more money involved and therefore more pressure from above on managers to get instant success? Is it something that started with the birth of fan channels like Arsenal Fan TV, which made Wenger's latter years entirely about whether you were Wenger in or Wenger out? Are the media some how at fault for increasing the pressure and looking for a good story?
I ask this because when I look at Arteta, Solskjaer and Lampard, I don't see managers brought in for instant success. I see long term planning and building by three clubs who wanted to make long term appointments and build for the future. If you're after instant success you bring in a manager with the CV to match. It's not always guaranteed but that's what you do. It's why United tried their luck with Van Gaal and Mourinho. It's why Arsenal brought Emery in. It's why Chelsea...oh who am I kidding it's a bloody merry-go-round there.
Solskjaer: Previous experience with Cardiff which saw them relegated, and then in Norway. Not an appointment you make for instant success.
Lampard: Ex player for Chelsea but his only experience was with Derby. It's extremely unlikely he's going to get Chelsea back to the top of the mountain right away.
Arteta: No managerial experience whatsoever.
So why is it that all three of these managers have been on the verge of the sack this season? Why are fans so impatient? Yes money has been spent but imagine where United would be right now if they'd sacked Solskjaer after losing to Burnley in January. How are these young managers ever supposed to build anything if the pitch forks are out as soon as a few bad results come in? It feels incredibly difficult for managers to build anything now with the way that pressure can build so quickly from within a club and externally as well. I've seen it on here with the constant debates over Ole in vs Ole out.
Klopp was only able to do what he did with Liverpool after several years of building a squad and adjusting his tactics. He came in with experience from Dortmund (title winning experience) but still needed several seasons to get us where we wanted to be. Pep was able to get City to a title within two seasons but only because he spent a bucket load and inherited some world class players like Kompany, Silva and Aguero. He also came from winning everything with Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
Is it unreasonable to expect some bumps in the road for young managers learning about their squads and how they want to set their sides up?
It's Arsenal Fan TV's fault isn't it?
The point of this thread is to discuss why football fans are so impatient now. Is this a symptom of the modern football fan? Is it because there's more money involved and therefore more pressure from above on managers to get instant success? Is it something that started with the birth of fan channels like Arsenal Fan TV, which made Wenger's latter years entirely about whether you were Wenger in or Wenger out? Are the media some how at fault for increasing the pressure and looking for a good story?
I ask this because when I look at Arteta, Solskjaer and Lampard, I don't see managers brought in for instant success. I see long term planning and building by three clubs who wanted to make long term appointments and build for the future. If you're after instant success you bring in a manager with the CV to match. It's not always guaranteed but that's what you do. It's why United tried their luck with Van Gaal and Mourinho. It's why Arsenal brought Emery in. It's why Chelsea...oh who am I kidding it's a bloody merry-go-round there.
Solskjaer: Previous experience with Cardiff which saw them relegated, and then in Norway. Not an appointment you make for instant success.
Lampard: Ex player for Chelsea but his only experience was with Derby. It's extremely unlikely he's going to get Chelsea back to the top of the mountain right away.
Arteta: No managerial experience whatsoever.
So why is it that all three of these managers have been on the verge of the sack this season? Why are fans so impatient? Yes money has been spent but imagine where United would be right now if they'd sacked Solskjaer after losing to Burnley in January. How are these young managers ever supposed to build anything if the pitch forks are out as soon as a few bad results come in? It feels incredibly difficult for managers to build anything now with the way that pressure can build so quickly from within a club and externally as well. I've seen it on here with the constant debates over Ole in vs Ole out.
Klopp was only able to do what he did with Liverpool after several years of building a squad and adjusting his tactics. He came in with experience from Dortmund (title winning experience) but still needed several seasons to get us where we wanted to be. Pep was able to get City to a title within two seasons but only because he spent a bucket load and inherited some world class players like Kompany, Silva and Aguero. He also came from winning everything with Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
Is it unreasonable to expect some bumps in the road for young managers learning about their squads and how they want to set their sides up?
It's Arsenal Fan TV's fault isn't it?