50m difference that is. Even if we compete in 2022, it will still be less than over spending 50m.
Haaland is no way better than Mbappé, who will be the best player in the world soon and brings more to the game than Haaland, but the big Norwegian is far cheaper and therefore the much better option. Mbappé is going to cost a fortune and has RM written all over him, at least Haaland is a wild card and it doesn’t seem out of the question that United could be an option for him. Who cares if it’s just for a few years before Mino does his dance and gets him somewhere else? You still get years of world class CF service and a profit at the end of it. It’s a no-brainer that if he does show interest everything should be done to get him.
I like our chances a lot better if we pay market value and cut off the competition. If he signs the deal it's because he wants to come here. I think there are multiple clubs capable of presenting an interesting mix of challenge/ambition/wages for him in a multiway competition for his signature. I guess we just disagree on the value the impact a signing like this would have on our club. I believe there's a great chance it would bring us directly back on the throne, and that makes it a nobrainer for me.
Yeah I would still take him even if it is only for maybe 3-4 years
I don't think there is very much in it between them to be honest. He's a super talent Mbappe but he won't outscore Haaland and ultimately that's what you want your forwards to do.
We would even sign Pogba on a new contract if that's an option. Raiola is a c*nt but business is business.
Presume you are talking about us signing him in summer 2022
Yes. He wont be going anywhere before then
Oh he might - no way Dortmund will turn down £120 million next summer. If someone has that money to spend
I want him as a player, 100%. But guess I always have my constant business hat on. In currently climate where every penny counts, you can't afford to overpay...even if it is for a talent such as Haaland.
And how much would a PL-title be worth? Leave your business hat on
Not entirely. As we've seen with the likes of Messi and Ronaldhinio, there are many ways in which an attacker can influence a game. Mbappe doesn't have the technical genius to impact it in other areas like those two but he has miles more than Halaand as well as the goalscoring prowess of a top forward. I'd take Mbappe if I was choosing. He is technically sounder. He's just "old news" now and has to live up to unrealistic standards imposed on him.
For me personally, it depends what we won in those two years. If we got a league and/or a CL, and then some money for selling him? I wouldn't say not to that at all.
I think Mbappe can outscore anybody once he plays CF, he was second by like 3 goals in the European golden boot his last full season without taking penalties and playing less game than the winner, Messi. He's already well on his way to matching the seasons of CR7 and Messi so I'm not expecting anything outlandish here. I think he has more ranges of finishing, and he's just as productive as he is now between his goals and assists, despite dealing with some injuries this season.
mbappe gives more options. He can play up front and on the right. But they are 2 different kind of players and it is down to what we actually need. What is our priority, a RW or a ST? If a RW, then surely Mbappe. If ST, although Mbappe can play there, Haaland will be a better option. He’s natural striker.
In what ways?
I mean, you really can just watch a YouTube video of both to get the answer to that. It's pretty obvious. He's a better dribbler, passer, runner with the ball, vision, agility, and changes of directions to name a few.
Better close control. Better dribbler. More inventive. More trickery. Better passer.
Well Mbappe is fiction anyways, but he wouldn't come in to play on the RW, I think his next move he's looking to be up front and the leading goalscorer. I'd rather plunder Dortmund and get Sancho to complement Haaland as they already have a good understanding and Sancho would fit perfectly on the RW. But then again, that's also science fiction because who has that kind of money. Sancho's stock has gone down a bit, but he's still going to be worth a fortune himself and I think he's pretty much as good as it gets for young players.
at some point i thought you’re suggesting we sign both Haaland and Sancho
3 of those are the same thing and 2 are nout to do with technique. What about finishing (both feet), long range shooting, free kicks, chest control, heading, overhead kicks, first touch, penalties, corners, crossing, long passes etc
3 of those are pretty much the same thing. invention is not technical. its mental.
That's not guaranteed and business doesn't work like that. I'd also like us to buy him whatever the price but am realistic and do not expect us to overpay, especially anything around £120m.And how much would a PL-title be worth? Leave your business hat on
They're the same things just like overhead kicks, heading, long range shooting and finishing are same things. Halaand is a brilliant long passer and crosser then?
Yep. Again, we're in a bit of a unique position in that it's within the realm of possibility for Ole to tell Erling "If you want to come here, you have to get rid of him. No backtalk. This is not about him; it's about the type of person who plays at this club. We do not play for money here. This is a place where you come to play for the poor. You have to feel that in your bones. You wake up every morning and it jolts you out of bed because that feeling drives you so much."
Different skillsets required, body parts, uses (some are even used defensively). A lot of Mbappe you mentioned is to do with beating a man which isn't that varied. e.g. but having all those types of strikes give you more strings to your bow/weapons.
There is obviously no guarantees, but it will improve our odds significantly in my opinion. My point is that reclaiming the throne in English football would have an enormous impact on our income, the same would having the greatest and brightest stars in football playing the game for you. Forget about the 75M EUR clause kicking in in summer 2022, he is worth the 120M now. I believe he is that good.
This the same thing people say about GOAT vs GOAT talk, One just dribbles better because of his height and the other strikes a ball better because he practices more.
Would it be worth it afterall bonuses etc have been paid??And how much would a PL-title be worth? Leave your business hat on
Indeed. Pogba is playing well and hardly a distraction. Its all fluff
You don't have to convince me, I'm a huge Haaland fan but I'm also incredibly cheap and practical when it comes to investment cases. I don't have a proven model to estimate commercial benefits from signing a worldwide football star (as I'm sure he will sell a lot of merch and drive social media engagement through the roof) thus cannot take that into account when evaluating potential transfers. £120m is more than our mandatory annual EBITDA. Considering the uncertainty around this season (record number of new PL player COVID infections last week) and the not-so-remote possibility to have a new hiatus, which would destroy revenue projections, I would never sanction such a transfer fee if I were in charge.
You put this sooo much more eloquently than I was.You don't have to convince me, I'm a huge Haaland fan but I'm also incredibly cheap and practical when it comes to investment cases. I don't have a proven model to estimate commercial benefits from signing a worldwide football star (as I'm sure he will sell a lot of merch and drive social media engagement through the roof) thus cannot take that into account when evaluating potential transfers. £120m is more than our mandatory annual EBITDA. Considering the uncertainty around this season (record number of new PL player COVID infections last week) and the not-so-remote possibility to have a new hiatus, which would destroy revenue projections, I would never sanction such a transfer fee if I were in charge.
Putting into consideration the fact that winning the league doesn't really bring in that much MORE revenues. For example, two years ago (when City became champions) the first placed team took home only £6m more than the 4th placed (who also qualify for the CL).
I reailze there are additional benefits of being champions but in the world of corporate finance, Profit/Loss statements and business management, an over-investment of nearly £50m really isn't justified by the expected benefits.
I would be very surprised if Manchester United does any serious business this month. We don't have serious injury problems, have considerable depth in every position and are even considering selling and loaning out a few players. Also, why would Dortmund sell Haalad mid-season? Do you think his value will decrease until the summer? If anything, he will continue scoring goals, further proving his class. The summer transfer season will allow clubs to have a more realistic assessment of their financial situations and Dortmund can reasonably expect better returns from a potential bidding war. (unless someone really comes to blow other teams out of the water now with a £120m bid, which as I said, is highly unlikely)
