Surely this should have been posted in the Tinder thread? 
How come Ole can only get a semi? | Can he finally go all the way?
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Didn't Klopp have a similar record before breaking the curse?
Anyway, for those who think tonight's result is on Ole, need to go watch again. This is the same team that has been putting in shifts in all the other matches. Question them as to why they couldn't do it again tonight.
Anyway, for those who think tonight's result is on Ole, need to go watch again. This is the same team that has been putting in shifts in all the other matches. Question them as to why they couldn't do it again tonight.
What semis has Maguire even been in before us?
One for England. But surely he didn't have 4 previous semi finals for Leicester and whoever before that? Unless they're counting play off semi finals which are something a bit different.
Pep never played a weakened side, Mourinho didn’t field a weakened side either.
You have to put a strong side out in a semi final, especially one that happens to be a derby.
Also he’s been accused of over rotating if anything, he’s been called the tinker man for all the changes in personnel and formations.
I can’t place much blame on him tonight, he rightly played a strong side and we competed well, our forwards were poor and let us down tonight.
Of course not but let's not try turning losing 4 semi finals into a positive.
Everyone agreed at the start of the season that we had to win a trophy.
We have been knocked out of two. Not great.
But we have two left so there is hope.
The real issue is what happens when we make a final. Will we lose multiple of them in a row.
We just need to keep our expectations where they where. No reason we shouldn't be able to win a trophy.
You're right, he lost some finals before he got that CL-trophy.
3, including Europa
Because he has a defensive mindset in big games and also a bit of shit luck with draws.
Klopp lost finals (including big ones like the Champions League). He’d also won meaningful trophies before joining Liverpool. No real comparison to comprehensive semi-final losses under a manager who has never won anything.
I can't believe that's what you took from that game
I swear some people on here don't even watch the games. It was absolutely dire.
Annoying to go out in this stage again, this team needs a cup final. But we came up against a better team than us so its understandable that we went out. We will eventually get it and go through to a final, I don't think it is a mental block but sometimes you can get stuck in these records. It might be a case of that the club needs to get a lucky draw at this stage and pull out a weaker team, go and beat them and break the cycle.
He had a record of losing finals.
Which while more heartbreaking is better.
If we carry this record into finals imagine how many years it would take us to win one.......
The comparison is clearly in the "pre" trophy winning stage. He didn't win anything with them and was losing in finals, until he didn't...
Grealish instead of Bruno you mean?
We talking about semis (Klopp's was finals it seems) and not a specific competitions.
Hasn't got the nous at this level but you think he can win the league? Makes sense. All he had to do was take a hammering tonight with that terrible line up above.
I'm not here to bash Solskjaer, all that is getting a bit silly. This semi final record is a concern though.
These are knockout tournaments, sure it’s disappointing to not have made a final but we’ve faced top sides, I don’t think it’s a mental thing.
The important thing is to keep pushing and getting into this position in order to progress even further.
If we wilted and we’re woeful tonight I could understand the accusation of us being bottlers. We competed well and lost to the better side on the night, a top side that have really hit their stride.
Agreed. This record with semi's specifically is less important than it seems imo. The bigger issue is that it shows what many people knew which is while we are a very good team, we're not as good as City/Liverpool at their best. Therefore while we go far in competitions, we can't win them yet. Similar to Poch's Spurs getting to finals/semi's and then being knocked out. It's not that they had some "curse" or were "bottlers". They just were one of the best while never being the best team. We're currently the same.
I'm saying that as someone who's been constantly skeptical of Ole.
My point was that narrowly failing in major competitions (a Champions League final in which your GK has a breakdown, runners up in the league with over 95 points) is different to losing semis in 2nd tier competitions.
Ridiculous isn’t it.
That is the problem we struggle to raise our games against the better teams.
Of course you can't do it all the time, but we rarely do it in the big games when we can't afford a defeat.
It is too many times now under Ole I think to miss trophy chances. I guess we do not lower our levels against weaker teams though.
We actually did that under SAF a bit too often in the cup and got knocked out early.
Glad someone has their heads on right, even after a poor result like tonight.
Yeah, it wasn't funny the first time.When it matters he bottles it every time
Trust the process
The ‘big six’ managers all have his number now and he hasn’t figured it out or adapted. Too negative tonight and slow to make changes, went out with a whimper.
I'm sure they said Maguire
City looked fresh didn't they in fairness? like they'd have a lovely wee post xmas break.
No big deal for me, we looked jaded and it's the league cup.
My only worry is that he KEEPS picking McTom despite him being in a terrible run of form.
No big deal for me, we looked jaded and it's the league cup.
My only worry is that he KEEPS picking McTom despite him being in a terrible run of form.
What Pep did today was adjust his tactics when he was winning. Dropped deep and played 2 banks of 4 almost. As if they were a lower league side. Waiting to counter.
It nullified our counter attacking tactic so Ole should have made a change.
Well it's 4 at United, World Cup with England and League Cup Semis with Hull that I know off the top of my head. That's 6.
The Caf sure loved calling Spurs bottlers though.
I may have been guilty of it myself too.
I thought Mctominay played well today. Bruno was the problem he was totally off. Maybe should have taken him off.
This isn't really surprising. Our squad lacks character and a winning mentality.
The amount of times we could have have broken into the top 4 last season, and we bottled it every single time until the final game. I feel like people forget how bad we were at taking advantage of the opportunities.
On top of that the 3 semi finals.
Its not surprising at all that we're becoming serial bottlers.
The amount of times we could have have broken into the top 4 last season, and we bottled it every single time until the final game. I feel like people forget how bad we were at taking advantage of the opportunities.
On top of that the 3 semi finals.
Its not surprising at all that we're becoming serial bottlers.
Liverpool in their 30 years of no leagues still managed to have a good cup record.
The more immediate problem for me is we have now played City twice, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea at home this season, winning none of them and only scoring a penalty.
Hardly confidence boosting knowing we have to play them all away from home still plus Liverpool home and away. Our away record is good but it's hardly been tested by a top side.
Hardly confidence boosting knowing we have to play them all away from home still plus Liverpool home and away. Our away record is good but it's hardly been tested by a top side.
Maybe his missus isn't that hot?
I think it's just the manner of all our semi final defeats that is the most frustrating. We seem to go out with a whimper.
Let's not get overly critical though, we won two trophies with Jose, but ultimately got nowhere. We're just not far along enough in our evolution as a squad to go out there and dominate semi finals.
We need to judge our progress on trophies but also performances. What I didn't like tonight is that we didn't play our game the way we can. Partly because of City to be fair, but it's like we adopted the attitude of keeping it tight and scraping a win on the counter.
Let's not get overly critical though, we won two trophies with Jose, but ultimately got nowhere. We're just not far along enough in our evolution as a squad to go out there and dominate semi finals.
We need to judge our progress on trophies but also performances. What I didn't like tonight is that we didn't play our game the way we can. Partly because of City to be fair, but it's like we adopted the attitude of keeping it tight and scraping a win on the counter.
I said this in another thread. He started off great in the big games now but they've adapted and he has no clue on how to respond.
Our last win against a traditional big 6 team was against City before the lockdown.
City was better and let's admit that.
City were better than us and have better players.
Don't let the current league table fool you, this team is still lacking
Don't let the current league table fool you, this team is still lacking