2021 American Civil War

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It's a flag of St George and they like it cause of the crusades. It's not meant to be Georgia the state.
No. is the flag of Georgia the country, that happens to have a flag of saint George (that is only one cross). The tweet is right, the guy is a moron and confused the georgia flag (country instead of state) in amazon or wherever he purchase it.
 

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Fair enough. They must charge militaries extra because the genuine stuff is like £200-300 just for the trousers!
For sure, plus the military stuff is usually a little bit better quality. You can buy that stuff, I saw some $600 tactical pants online the other day, but most people would rather $600 on cocaine and a hooker.
 

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No. is the flag of Georgia the country, that happens to have a flag of saint George. The tweet is right, the guy is a moron and confused the georgia flag in amazon or wherever he purchase it
I know Georgia uses a flag of St George. I also know the far right uses it because they fetishize violence against Muslims.
 

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A sample of callers from CSPAN phone lines (and I listened only to about 1/4 of the calls)Fkl:

"Everyone is blaming Trump when it's fake news behind this. Facebook is involved with this."
"Media should investigate Joe Biden's son and Ch-AI-na"
"People protesting should not be prosecuted because why aren't you talking about people burning homes and businesses from the far left"
"I want these protests to continue. Non-US citizens voted in the election."
"Mainstream media is biased against Trump. They keep the general public ignorant about what is going on."
"Judges were afraid of the irregularities in the election. Antifa did a good job convincing these judges there is no evidence when there is plenty of evidence."
"BLM and Antifa have free reign across the United States. We've seen BLM and Antifa do a lot worse. They burned down cities and done far more damage than today."
"Antifa representatives went in with a plan, a precise plan," What proof? "Oh it will come out, it will come out."
"When the communists take over, you will be surprised."
 

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Many are saying that the fault lies with us, that we are not trying to find common ground with them & rationalize / compromise with them.
It's always everyone's fault but the bad people, and everyone else's responsibility to hold their hand and make up with them.
 

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"Mainstream media is biased against Trump. They keep the general public ignorant about what is going on."
I mentioned Robespierre earlier today, quite facetiously but this quote comes up pretty quickly on Google and it is so very apt for what has become of America:

"The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant. "
 

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Many are saying that the fault lies with us, that we are not trying to find common ground with them & rationalize / compromise with them.
Oh no, you are blameless. It can't be said that this is all yours to fix. You carry on calling them out for the idiots they are and everything will be just fine.

Honestly, you do like to twist words but I stand by the one thing I said in the beginning, could you just stop de-humanising her by calling her a 'chick'?
 

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I know Georgia uses a flag of St George. I also know the far right uses it because they fetishize violence against Muslims.
Yes, It happen in spain also. But they are thousands of versions of that flag, and also thousands of morons that could get those flags confused just the day that was announced the 2 senator from george elections. I am going with Occam razor of moronity
 

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Yes, It happen in spain also. But they are thousands of versions of that flag, and also thousands of morons that could get those flags confused just the day that was announced the 2 senator from george elections. I am going with Occam razor of moronity
There are many but they like that one. Google 'crusader flag' and you'll see it immediately.
 

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Yep, this is exactly what that 'middle of the road', 'heal the nation', nonsense comes across as. There are fundamentally bad, broken people in the world. It's a fact. Not everyone and everything can be rehabilitated. In instances like this you have to figure out ways to work around the bad people, not work with them. You can't find middle ground without ending up tainted yourself.
 

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There are many but they like that one. Google 'crusader flag' and you'll see it immediately.
You might be right, Still, I don't disregard the other option knowing that people
 

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Oh no, you are blameless. It can't be said that this is all yours to fix. You carry on calling them out for the idiots they are and everything will be just fine.

Honestly, you do like to twist words but I stand by the one thing I said in the beginning, could you just stop de-humanising her by calling her a 'chick'?
Sorry, don’t recall reading your ‘chick’ request, would have replied. No worries on that.

Not a zero sum game, obviously, but the overwhelming lift & effort is not required by my side nor should it be.

How should their indiscretions be reminded to the people other than to just lay down historical facts? How intensively should we coddle?
 

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You might be right, Still, I don't disregard the other option knowing that people
I remember during the Russia - Georgia conflict of 08 people were calling radio talk shows asking where the Russians invading the state Georgia were.
 

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I remember during the Russia - Georgia conflict of 08 people were calling radio talk shows asking where the Russians invading the state Georgia were.
:lol:

Before following US politics I would occasionally get confused the other way, wondering briefly why whatever American TV show I was watching was talking about Eastern Europeans.
 

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Capitol Hill should just do the right thing and kick Trump out, it’s what the want to do anyway..
 

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Sorry, don’t recall reading your ‘chick’ request, would have replied. No worries on that.

Not a zero sum game, obviously, but the overwhelming lift & effort is not required by my side nor should it be.

How should their indiscretions be reminded to the people other than to just lay down historical facts? How intensively should we coddle?
I understood that your 'side' was to be in Government, is that not correct?

Is your side only going to govern your people or all the people? Laws must be applied, the correct punishments applied but your 'side' will have to work out how to bring all of your people together, surely after four years of being ridiculed and offended against your 'side' did not intend to just do the same again?
 

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I understood that your 'side' was to be in Government, is that not correct?

Is your side only going to govern your people or all the people? Laws must be applied, the correct punishments applied but your 'side' will have to work out how to bring all of your people together, surely after four years of being ridiculed and offended against your 'side' did not intend to just do the same again?
Again, it’s not zero sum here. We drop the truth, we coddle, we don’t bring up fact, we blunt our effect. This will in & of itself allow the fake news to keep perpetuating further, its effect diminished in force somewhat, but still rampant, embedded. I don’t want this to happen.

But, my party isn’t as resilient enough to do this to any appreciable effect, however. Unfortunate that this means it won’t happen. So, yes, we probably will drop bringing up their willful ignorance in return for an excommunicated Kayleigh & Kellyanne. Somewhat different impact.
 

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I hope this isn't just bluster.
Don’t think it would be. Any cogent adult would look for a backstop in the current situation. It would be unreal to think that many of them wouldn’t have been in close contact with one another.
 

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Again, it’s not zero sum here. We drop the truth, we coddle, we don’t bring up fact, we blunt our effect. This will in & of itself allow the fake news to keep perpetuating further, its effect diminished in force somewhat, but still rampant, embedded. I don’t want this to happen.

But, my party isn’t as resilient enough to do this to any appreciable effect, however. Unfortunate that this means it won’t happen. So, yes, we probably will drop bringing up their willful ignorance in return for an excommunicated Kayleigh & Kellyanne. Somewhat different impact.
Well it's up to all of you. America has been diminished in the World's eyes for long enough and not just today, but if it's just going to be more of the same then that will be a disappointment.
 

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Well it's up to all of you. America has been diminished in the World's eyes for long enough and not just today, but if it's just going to be more of the same then that will be a disappointment.
Don’t disagree at all. It remains to be seen if this will move the needle, cause a bit of a cleave, or if it will be subsumed into the void, just be something else in our memory?

How we define the last four years will be important.
 

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For sure, plus the military stuff is usually a little bit better quality. You can buy that stuff, I saw some $600 tactical pants online the other day, but most people would rather $600 on cocaine and a hooker.
Lucky the protesters weren't wearing camouflage clothes or things could have been much worse. Allegedly they did look for them but couldn't find any.

Boom tish.