Mike Dean

[Deery]

Mike Dean has asked not to be chosen to officiate a match this weekend because of online abuse and death threats.

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[Pexbo]

My joke aside from the other thread, while I do not in any way condone the death threats, I also can’t completely dispel the idea that Dean is using this to turn the narrative away from an absolutely horrendous few weeks of refereeing. The guy is an absolute noshbag who loves the limelight and clearly thinks far too highly of himself. Is he even on social media? How exactly has he received these “online death threats”?

 

[Judge Red]

Michael Oliver is about to get a lot of death threats.

 

[Deery]

My joke aside from the other thread, while I do not in any way condone the death threats, I also can’t completely dispel the idea that Dean is using this to turn the narrative away from an absolutely horrendous few weeks of refereeing. The guy is an absolute noshbag who loves the limelight and clearly thinks far too highly of himself. Is he even on social media? How exactly has he received these “online death threats”?

Must have received them through his family on social media.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Without VAR the ref could make a mistake and would be given shit but decision can be excepted as a mistake.

with VAR and the ref watching a replay and still getting it wrong and then the decision being overturned after the match because it was wrong, then that ref is going to get a lot more shit.

obviously not condoning death threats

 

[bsCallout]

The death threats are ridiculous but I'll be happy any time he's not refereeing.

 

[Lay]

Imagine threatening to kill someone over a football game

 

[Deery]

Without VAR the ref could make a mistake and would be given shit but decision can be excepted as a mistake.

with VAR and the ref watching a replay and still getting it wrong and then the decision being overturned after the match because it was wrong, then that ref is going to get a lot more shit.

obviously not condoning death threats

I think he’s been let down a bit by the appeals board, if that’s how he saw it and wanted to give a red then they should have stuck by him instead of throwing him under the bus. I know he’s a bit of a dick and arrogant with it but not sticking by him makes it a lot worse.

 

[Pep's Suit]

Imagine threatening to kill someone over a football game

Some people have nothing going on in their lifes.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Imagine threatening to kill someone over a football game

Imagine, people have been killed over a football game.

 

[arthurka]

Imagine, people have been killed over a football game.

Well that has already happened in a strange strange circumstances.

 

[Pexbo]

I think he’s been let down a bit by the appeals board, if that’s how he saw it and wanted to give a red then they should have stuck by him instead of throwing him under the bus. I know he’s a bit of a dick and arrogant with it but not sticking by him makes it a lot worse.

Disagree completely. Death threats aside, what you have just described is exactly the sort of gentleman’s society it’s been for decades and the standard has suffered massively for it. These refs need to own their decisions.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Imagine, people have been killed over a football game.

Didn't some ref get stabbed or murdered over a decision? Some people take their football too seriously I guess.

 

[Zlatan 7]

I think he’s been let down a bit by the appeals board, if that’s how he saw it and wanted to give a red then they should have stuck by him instead of throwing him under the bus. I know he’s a bit of a dick and arrogant with it but not sticking by him makes it a lot worse.

But then that’s just refs sticking together and thick as thieves again, they have to make the right decision regardless of the error or to avoid backlash, probably would have made even more mockery of the FA if it wasn’t overturned.

 

[Lay]

Well that has already happened in a strange strange circumstances.

If I recall correctly, he wasn’t shot because of that but it’s become the narrative

 

[Deery]

Disagree completely. Death threats aside, what you have just described is exactly the sort of gentleman’s society it’s been for decades and the standard has suffered massively for it. These refs need to own their decisions.

It was VAR that referred him to the video camera so they must have thought something was in it too. I personally don’t think it was a red and common sense should have prevailed but if a ref has to go by the law and see’s it as an elbow being raised to a players face then he’s in a tough position not to send him off going by the book professionally.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Didn't some ref get stabbed or murders over a decision? Some people take their football too seriously I guess.

There was a ref murdered by youth team players after a game in The Netherlands a few years back.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Didn't some ref get stabbed or murdered over a decision? Some people take their football too seriously I guess.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...r-after-red-card-in-argentinian-football-game

According to Rita Sobot of the Daily Mirror, the incident occurred in the Cordoba district of the country on Sunday. Flores gave the player in question his marching orders for apparently "flooring an opponent," according to the report. The player then fetched the gun from his backpack and "ran onto the pitch as the game was continuing." The man is said to have shot Flores three times—once in the neck, head and chest.

"It all happened during the match," a police spokesman said. "We don't know what happened with the referee, but the player was angry and went to get his gun and killed him."

 

[Mindhunter]

I understand that it is difficult to digest such abuse, especially death threats. Unfortunately, this is the new normal of our society where social-media is ubiquitous. It's impossible to either moderate or deradicalize such people all the time. There comes a point where you learn to just ignore them, like majority of the celebrities do.

If you are in a public-facing job, you unfortunately need to develop a tougher skin to deal with this type of abuse. No amount of public outrage or attention is going to remove abusive posts from social-media.

Now coming to his refereeing. It's horrendous and needs to improve. For far too long, referees haven't been scrutinized for underperformance. They hide behind the argument that doing so would result in anarchy on the field. However, when there is so much riding on the results of a football match, this approach isn't going to work. Instead of excusing himself from matches, Dean needs to look at the data of his mistakes and learn from them if he wishes to continue refereeing at the highest level.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

I get annoyed at refs but to take it to that point is just ridiculous, they only do it because they can get away with it, in reality they’re just sad Cnut with nothing going on in their lives.

 

[Deery]

But then that’s just refs sticking together and thick as thieves again, they have to make the right decision regardless of the error or to avoid backlash, probably would have made even more mockery of the FA if it wasn’t overturned.

But going by the book what’s the right decision you can’t raise an arm to a players face in an aggressive manner, he was in a tight spot.

 

[Superden]

Some of the comments here are i believe symptomatic of this modern malaise. No one doing their job (IN ENTERTAINMENT) poorly deserves this level of vitriol, let alone death threats to them or their family.

 

[Shane88]

On one hand, the cynic in me thinks it's a cover story for being dropped.

On the other hand, West 'Aaaaam fans doing something like this wouldn't surprise me.

 

[UncleBob]

But going by the book what’s the right decision you can’t raise an arm to a players face in an aggressive manner, he was in a tight spot.

Ehm, no.

 

[Zlatan 7]

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But going by the book what’s the right decision you can’t raise an arm to a players face in an aggressive manner, he was in a tight spot.

yeah I agree and seen your previous post and agreed with that too. Football is a subjective sport that’s trying to be made black and white, there’ll be plenty more of these instances and cretins with nothing better to do

 

[Deery]

Ehm, no.

Why?

Looking at it purely from a professional point of view with all his colleagues looking at him does he not have to go by the rule book, the pressure was on him.

 

[TrustInOle]

Found this from last year and thought it would be an appropriate time to post. Also shows the human side of a ref and how they can think. Particular the part about how he handles abuse much better these days. Just goes to show how this must have affected him.

 

[Jaxa]

1. Death Threats ? Do these idiots having nothing better to do with there time, 100% do not condone this obviously
2. Mike Dean is a car crash of a referee and has been for years who clearly laps up the drama he creates and enjoys it, there has been so much ex players who have came out about how unreasonable he is and there is never any repercussion for his continuous errors and the clubs and fans have to just get on with it, maybe if the FA or whoever manages the refs actually reprimanded them rather than radio silence fan frustration would not be so high, again, there is 100% zero excuse for death threats or violence here but we can't have refs week by week making the same mistakes that are costing clubs points/key players etc

The same could be said about VAR and the idiots behind that but thats a whole other can of worms, the officiating in the country has been shite for years but with the "assistance" of technology it's somehow got even worse ? the best league in the world ladies and gentleman

 

[UncleBob]

Why?

Looking at it purely from a professional point of view with all his colleagues looking at him does he not have to go by the rule book, the pressure was on him.

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

It's fairly fecking obvious that it's up to Mike Dean to assess the situation to decide if it's violent conduct or not, and there's nothing whatsoever in the rules that forces the fecker to conclude in either direction. For some unknown reason, Mike Dean decides that it looks like Soucek has done it on purpose.

 

[Lee565]

He does deserve criticism for his recent performances and the way he seeks to like milking his big decisions but giving him and family death threats and expletive abuse on social media is a step too far.

 

[Deery]

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

It's fairly fecking obvious that it's up to Mike Dean to assess the situation to decide if it's violent conduct or not, and there's nothing whatsoever in the rules that forces the fecker to conclude in either direction. For some unknown reason, Mike Dean decides that it looks like Soucek has done it on purpose.

Because Mitrovic was all over him he raised his arm into his face and Mitrovic goes down like he’s been shot, the play acting fooled him into thinking it was worse than it was.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

People on social media are vile and that's partly due to social media like Twitter doing feck all about it.

Mike Dean must be embarrassed to have two reds overturned in 4 days. Most people making two blunders so close together at work would be in trouble.

Instead, this cretin will be on Good Morning and Celebrity Big Brother.

 

[duffer]

My joke aside from the other thread, while I do not in any way condone the death threats, I also can’t completely dispel the idea that Dean is using this to turn the narrative away from an absolutely horrendous few weeks of refereeing. The guy is an absolute noshbag who loves the limelight and clearly thinks far too highly of himself. Is he even on social media? How exactly has he received these “online death threats”?

His family got them as well as him.

He's an old bloke, 100% nailed on to have a Facebook account.

Anyone who sent any sort of nasty message to one of his kids (even as tame as "your dad is a shit ref") should be banned from everyday life. I don't even want to see that sort of twat in Tesco.

 

[UncleBob]

Because Mitrovic was all over him he raised his arm into his face and Mitrovic goes down like he’s been shot, the play acting fooled him into thinking it was worse than it was.

He's got replays of the entire fecking situation.

Mike Dean made a shit decision, and for the second time in under a week the shit decision is overturned...If you think they actually want to overturn decisions where VAR has intervened....

 

[Oranges038]

While I think Mike Dean is an awful referee and his recent performances have seen him make some awful decisions. The death threats are way over board, some people just don't seem to be able to separate football from the real world.

I think with this and all the racist online comments lately, we are seeing the frustration coming from people who would normally let off some steam by being at the games and doing the shouting and letting their feelings known there. Now they are just venting online.

 

[Deery]

He's got replays of the entire fecking situation.

Mike Dean made a shit decision, and for the second time in under a week the shit decision is overturned...If you think they actually want to overturn decisions where VAR has intervened....

No need for all the swearing, I don’t think it was a red when I seen it first off.

It’s because VAR intervened that he was forced into a tough spot, does he just go against VAR and whoever was in the room. He maybe should have been strong enough to do that but I still understand why he gave it, elbow to the face, man goes down. I can see why.

 

[Mb194dc]

Social media again...? Obviously threats are unacceptable. This is what the 21st century has degenerated in to. Not just football, abuse on the likes of Twitter is way out of control. It's an awful platform and governments need to step in.

That being said there is also a big problem with the quality of refereeing in the premier league. Seemingly there is no will to try and fix anything and Riley is sitting pretty?

 

[UncleBob]

No need for all the swearing, I don’t think it was a red when I seen it first off.

It’s because VAR intervened that he was forced into a tough spot, does he just go against VAR and whoever was in the room. He maybe should have been strong enough to do that but I still understand why he gave it, elbow to the face, man goes down. I can see why.

He's not forced into a tough spot. He didnt' see the situation, VAR reckons he should take a look, Mike Dean can easily make a sound decision and say he sees no intent and that it looks completely accidental, which it clearly does.

 

[KW2006]

Not just this match. He should not referee anymore matches if he can't see it(Soucek) is not a red card from a VAR replay. It is for the good of himself and the sport.

 

[Deery]

He's not forced into a tough spot. He didnt' see the situation, VAR reckons he should take a look, Mike Dean can easily make a sound decision and say he sees no intent and that it looks completely accidental, which it clearly does.

Well it’s not the decision he came to he thought there was some intent there, we all know if a hand goes to a face nowadays it’s an automatic red.