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When did we ever spend the most money during our dominant years? 2001, with Veron & Ruud. When else? We were outspent the majority of the years we dominated. We were not a City, throwing money at our team every year. We had the same core players for years, many of whom were from our academy.
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This point is laughably lost as the season goes on. Nobody thought we would be second at this stage yet thats its still a disaster because we arent withib 10 of City on a record breaking run.
There is tangible improvement we can point to.
Eh ? I posted in the pre season prediction thread predicting us to be 2nd or close 3rd. I have said a lot during this season we're ready for a title challenge and should be in it.

It's quite disappointing we led the league by 3 points then threw it completely 3 weeks later and now +10 points away from first spot and that's not because we flopped in a big game but because we lost 5 fecking points to the two teams at the bottom of the league.

2nd or 3rd will be a good campaign but if it ended with no title challenge and +10 points gap to the first like our 2nd spot from few years ago it'll be nothing to gloat about.

I don't know when United fans will start believing we're actually a big team and it's time the expectations every season will be a a title challenge ?
 

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The key issue isn't competitiveness though. It's sporting. If a team is dominant for a long time based on sporting merit, eg Liverpool in the 80s, United in the 90s, you have to accept it and the growth of a club that goes with it. As with both of those examples, sport will always see them fall away and need to rebuild while a new team or teams take their place. Man City, have absolutely no sporting merit. They are an attempt to westernise and make palatable, a state in the middle east. They are a fantastic team, but poor for the sport. In the same way great clubs like Barcelona and Real were sportingly poor in the way money was handled in Spain, and quite open to criticism on those points. We can stand back and comment on it being a sign of the times, and each club having dubious owners and so on, but City are doing something on a scale that no club in history has ever done, and since 99.9% of clubs in the world simply can't match it, the inevitable result is 90+ seasons becoming routine and absurd 20 game winning runs. They're an excellent team, best in the league by far, but a sporting catastrophe in the true sense of the word sport.
When you make these kinds of comparisons, it’s good to factor in the bottom half of the spectrum. Will they ever be able to catch the likes of United in the long-term? No. All the clubs in the premier league did not start out on the same footing.

You and I want the status quo to remain but I bet that some fans of other bottom half wouldn’t mind some outside investment. That’s the reality of life.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
 

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We’re 2nd and City winning today was probably a good result for Utd:wenger:
 

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It is like we were tight at the back, but not scoring enough. Now they have sacrificed defending to score goals. Why can't we have both.
Thing is, I don't think so much as changed. Put aside the first three matches of the season, which were unusual with the lack of pre season, and the rate in which we concede goals is pretty similar to last season...

Last season's defence was an improvement on 2018/2019. This season is pretty similar to last. Maybe our trouble scoring made people focus on that more.
 

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Thing is, I don't think so much as changed. Put aside the first three matches of the season, which were unusual with the lack of pre season, and the rate in which we concede goals is pretty similar to last season...

Last season's defence was an improvement on 2018/2019. This season is pretty similar to last. Maybe our trouble scoring made people focus on that more.
Possibly.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
Do you think Arsenal have a better coach than United?
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
Interesting post.
 

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what annoys me is how most of the media just go on about how great and amazing city are but in reality they have cheated their way into the position, getting off ffp on a technicality.
I know people will probably get sued but what happened to good journalism and free speech?

at least they have kept liverpool, a real club, away from the league title this year.
 

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When you make these kinds of comparisons, it’s good to factor in the bottom half of the spectrum. Will they ever be able to catch the likes of United in the long-term? No. All the clubs in the premier league did not start out on the same footing.

You and I want the status quo to remain but I bet that some fans of other bottom half wouldn’t mind some outside investment. That’s the reality of life.
No I disagree. United fell to 6th and 7th recently, its not a case of dominance or oblivion. Uniteds fall off opened up title winning opportunities to many teams who had been slowly and solidly building their way to competing at the top. We're not going to brush aside a German team in a CL knockout game or coast to titles any time soon. City have blown most out of the water. If I was a West ham fan making the same point, you wouldn't counter by saying I just want the status quo to remain. Its not about that. Its about keeping things as sportingly true as possible. Injecting the guts of 2 billion in the arm of a small club who are suddenly attracting the world's best players isn't a good thing. You need to forget who I personally support, it has nothing to do with my opinion and if United were injected by Saudi billions it would be the last straw in any relationship I have with the club. The game has changed alot from how we knew it once, city and psg are the ugliest faces of that change currently

While I can plainly admire that they are a very good team, I simply can't say that 20 straight wins is a great 'Sporting' achievement. When nobody else operates on the terms you do, it just isn't.
 

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Does anyone believe we can go on 10-15 run winning streak under Ole, like Liverpool and City have done over the past few seasons? Even Chelsea did it under Conte.

Because that's what it takes to win the league these days
 

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Does anyone believe we can go on 10-15 run winning streak under Ole, like Liverpool and City have done over the past few seasons? Even Chelsea did it under Conte.

Because that's what it takes to win the league these days
We could go on an unbeaten run, not a winning run, because there are games Ole will set us up to not lose.
 

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Thatd be my answers. Rashford over Mahrez for me all day, and KDB over Bruno all day. Prefer Foden to Greenwood, and I think Cavani has better striker instinct than Jesus, but Jesus a better "player".
The only player I'd take from City is Foden for Rashford. Jesus is a good player but not a pure striker, not a fan.

But this is just fine margins, I just wanted to prove that "on paper" City front line doesn't look better than ours. Midfield probably, defense with Ederson likely. But the system they play makes the most of all players.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
You'd feel different if Spurs were dominating English football
 

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It didn't start as a boring season but everyone predicted a race between Liverpool and Manchester City so the moment City started to pick their form while Liverpool started to drop points all over the place then it seems they're going to runaway with the league. Those two teams are the only ones capable of achieving long win streaks so no one expected United to be able to keep with them despite their position in the table (which is still a good improvemt in the short term).
 

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Maybe try something like the NFL has - salary cap and salary floor. Can't spend enough to hit the floor and field a competitive team? Can't be an owner. You'd have to stagger it - existing owners would have to have some amount of years to be able to reach the floor, rather than an overnight change.

The NFL also has the heartlessly effective non-guaranteed contract. Much easier to get back to league average when you're not sunk by a bad contract for the duration of said contract.
The issue I've always had with a salary cap is this. The amount of money in football is absolutely insane. Forget about City for a second, United, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. all make insane amounts of money. If you put in a salary cap, then the amount of money the players can get is limited, but the amount of money that still circulates in football remains the same. What then happens to that excess money that no longer goes to the players? In the world we live in, that extra money goes into the pockets of the owners and shareholders, the Glazers and Kroenke's etc. If there was some way to ensure that money would be re-invested in the clubs, such as in club infrastructure and what not, or to make things cheaper for the fans, then that would be great, but there isn't any feasible way to ensure that gets done, because then you're essentially legislating to a private organization what to do with their money.

For that reason, in the current climate as it is right now, I can't support a salary cap because I prefer the players to get the money rather than it ending up in the pockets of the businessmen. Even if it means that the current way of doing things can be abused by teams like City. Football doesn't start and end with them.
 

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Do you think Arsenal have a better coach than United?
No, but I think Arteta has more room to grow and develop as a coach than Ole. He does pay attention to attacking positional play at the least.

You'd feel different if Spurs were dominating English football
It depends which Spurs team you are talking about. If it's a Pochettino team, I can respect them for winning with entertaining football. If they win with Mourinho in charge, then hell no.

I certainly do not like the idea of Ole winning the PL with his current playing style.
 

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The only player I'd take from City is Foden for Rashford. Jesus is a good player but not a pure striker, not a fan.

But this is just fine margins, I just wanted to prove that "on paper" City front line doesn't look better than ours. Midfield probably, defense with Ederson likely. But the system they play makes the most of all players.
We have Ole at the wheel, shipping all deadwood and bringing the best out of a very poor squad... he’s just unfortunate to be struggling to hold on to second place. We are on the right track, have fletcher carrick etc etc.
 

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We are very far behind City in squad ability, manager experience, coaching, recruitment, board, money and owners.

It is really no surprise that we are that far away, we will never close the gap either as they can out spend us each year or even spend less but just recruit better.

The league can become like this year in year out unfortunately and unless Liverpool bounce back next year or Ambramovic goes nuts in the market again, I see City winning the league for the foreseeable. We will just continue to battle for top four each year and I can easily see us going another eight years without a title.

Our club is a mess and has been for a long time and as long as money is being made the owners and board will continue as is.
 

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No I disagree. United fell to 6th and 7th recently, its not a case of dominance or oblivion. Uniteds fall off opened up title winning opportunities to many teams who had been slowly and solidly building their way to competing at the top. We're not going to brush aside a German team in a CL knockout game or coast to titles any time soon. City have blown most out of the water. If I was a West ham fan making the same point, you wouldn't counter by saying I just want the status quo to remain. Its not about that. Its about keeping things as sportingly true as possible. Injecting the guts of 2 billion in the arm of a small club who are suddenly attracting the world's best players isn't a good thing. You need to forget who I personally support, it has nothing to do with my opinion and if United were injected by Saudi billions it would be the last straw in any relationship I have with the club. The game has changed alot from how we knew it once, city and psg are the ugliest faces of that change currently

While I can plainly admire that they are a very good team, I simply can't say that 20 straight wins is a great 'Sporting' achievement. When nobody else operates on the terms you do, it just isn't.
Keeping things as sporting as possible feels good when you have a leg up historically but the likes of Westham that you mention can have very good seasons and may even win the odd league once in every other 30 years but opportunity for them to challenge already established clubs year in year out may never come their way. Yes United finished below top 4 recently but I’ll tell you what would have happened if sugar daddy clubs weren’t around. The next best team could win a league or two - hypothetically Arsenal but in no time United bounces back and takes her regular spot back because the teams previously ahead are not strong enough to sustain a title challenge into the long term or do not have the financial capacity to continue to be that valid long term opposition. And if these clubs weren’t in the league, we wouldn’t even finish as low as 6th to be honest.

This City side that you hype so much is still yet to get past quarter finals of the CL. It may happen sooner than later but I’ll wait and have the conversation when it does because if I recall correctly they were knocked out by Liverpool, Spurs, Monaco and more recently “mighty” Porto in the champions league.

I’d love for us to be the dominant force in English football and expect others to try to catch us by becoming as good or better than us in the longer term knowing that that would be a tough ask for them. I’d love this scenario but I wouldn’t kid myself and expect them to play the chasing game the way I want them to.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
Having zero drama at the top of the table for almost all of 7 years in a row should be annoying to any football fan, not just select groups. It’s bad for the league.
 

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Worrying thing is City have gone through bit of a transition and they’ll strengthen in the summer.

We’re not going to be spending big and don’t seem to be able to spend wisely, like it or not out management and coaching isn’t going to bridge the gap so I can’t see is being much closer to them next season.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
Truth hurts but that’s the bottom line. ‘Shit coach’ is very harsh though. Ole is a decent coach but decent isn’t anywhere near the level required to usurp city and Liverpool.

The fundemental facts are that city can outspend anyone bar us with ease and even us. We have made far more catastrophic transfer mistakes than they have which is why we have the squad we have and they have the squad they have.
On top of that they have one of the best managers of all time.

The only way you stop a team like that winning a title every year is by either outspending them and world classing up
your squad or by getting a manager in who is at the level or better than theirs.
The only one of these things that has happened since Pep arrived is the latter and what happened? That team won the league last season at a canter.

I’m being blunt here and it’s been said a few times. We will never win a league title with our current squad or manager again so long as Guardiola and Klopp are around.
The idea that Ole and a weaker squad will surpass Guardiola and city is actual fantasy.

We can sit here and complain but the club isn’t doing all it can to prevent city winning league titles unchallenged.
Our recruitment is extremely Questionable , our contract renewals are borderline sabotage. We’re hiring a manager and a coaching team significantly weaker than that of our peers. The end results will be that every single season we’ll be finishing miles behind Man City. That’s what’s happened and that’s what’s going to happen this year.
 

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Keeping things as sporting as possible feels good when you have a leg up historically but the likes of Westham that you mention can have very good seasons and may even win the odd league once in every other 30 years but opportunity for them to challenge already established clubs year in year out may never come their way. Yes United finished below top 4 recently but I’ll tell you what would have happened if sugar daddy clubs weren’t around. The next best team could win a league or two - hypothetically Arsenal but in no time United bounces back and takes her regular spot back because the teams previously ahead are not strong enough to sustain a title challenge into the long term or do not have the financial capacity to continue to be that valid long term opposition. And if these clubs weren’t in the league, we wouldn’t even finish as low as 6th to be honest.

This City side that you hype so much is still yet to get past quarter finals of the CL. It may happen sooner than later but I’ll wait and have the conversation when it does because if I recall correctly they were knocked out by Liverpool, Spurs, Monaco and more recently “mighty” Porto in the champions league.

I’d love for us to be the dominant force in English football and expect others to try to catch us by becoming as good or better than us in the longer term knowing that that would be a tough ask for them. I’d love this scenario but I wouldn’t kid myself and expect them to play the chasing game the way I want them to.
Still think you're blinded by a United fans point of view though what club had a 'leg up' historically? United post Munich? United relegated in the 70s or a cup side in the 80s? Liverpool didn't just keep dominating after the 80s? Juve relegated to serie b? Barca struggling at turn of century? Sport has natural cycles and rises and falls. Clubs used as PR vehicles for murky regimes circumvent these peaks and troughs.
 

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Having zero drama at the top of the table for almost all of 7 years in a row should be annoying to any football fan, not just select groups. It’s bad for the league.
I would say the lack of drama is more an issue of second placed teams giving up the chase or first place teams being ridiculously better than the rest that in that year rather than a case of lack of general competitiveness. We must remember that the league winner’s place is not the only area of competition. Top 4 conversions in the last 7 years of the premier league has always been a huge contest with as much uncertainty as possible about who will go through and who wouldn’t.

I think most fans would be worried if it was a case of one or two teams winning the league year in year out in those seven years. We’ve had 4 teams win the league in that period.
 
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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
This is a somewhat harsh post but there are elements of truth in it. Calling Ole "shit" is rude and obnoxious and all things considered he's done rather well. The problem is the best of Ole isn't likely going to be good enough to beat Klopp or Pep over a season. The flip side of that argument is there aren't any options out there that are obvious enough to get the best of Klopp or Pep over a season. Fergie himself never faced challenges these two pose IMO.

So for now, I find myself content with seeing how it plays out with Ole. Its nice to have "drama" free team that mostly focuses on football which has been rather good for the most part. Sure it could be better but I know no other coach that can play like Pep consistently. As for average players, I simply disagree, City and Liverpool's team aren't obviously better than ours. Its just their managers are obviously head and shoulder above anything Ole can muster.
 

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Having zero drama at the top of the table for almost all of 7 years in a row should be annoying to any football fan, not just select groups. It’s bad for the league.
Wait what? Are you forgetting the close battle between Liverpool and Man City just 2 season ago? There's tons of drama, just not drama involving Man Utd. There's drama watching teams trying to win a quadruple, trying to win 100 points, trying to match Arsenal's invincibles and etc.

The only fans who are annoyed by such thing are Man Utd fans because you guys are always away from the drama in some form or another.

Truth hurts but that’s the bottom line. ‘Shit coach’ is very harsh though. Ole is a decent coach but decent isn’t anywhere near the level required to usurp city and Liverpool.

The fundemental facts are that city can outspend anyone bar us with ease and even us. We have made far more catastrophic transfer mistakes than they have which is why we have the squad we have and they have the squad they have.
On top of that they have one of the best managers of all time.

The only way you stop a team like that winning a title every year is by either outspending them and world classing up
your squad or by getting a manager in who is at the level or better than theirs.
The only one of these things that has happened since Pep arrived is the latter and what happened? That team won the league last season at a canter.

I’m being blunt here and it’s been said a few times. We will never win a league title with our current squad or manager again so long as Guardiola and Klopp are around.
The idea that Ole and a weaker squad will surpass Guardiola and city is actual fantasy.

We can sit here and complain but the club isn’t doing all it can to prevent city winning league titles unchallenged.
Our recruitment is extremely Questionable , our contract renewals are borderline sabotage. We’re hiring a manager and a coaching team significantly weaker than that of our peers. The end results will be that every single season we’ll be finishing miles behind Man City. That’s what’s happened and that’s what’s going to happen this year.
You guys spend so much time complaining about City's money, but you are forgetting the fact that you have more money to spend than almost all the other clubs in the PL.

Liverpool won the title despite spending less money than you guys because they spent it a lot better. They got the right players in when they needed reinforcements.

Arsenal mis-spent a lot of our money in recent years, and that's why we are where we are today. But if we have the spending power of you guys, we can easily climb into the top 4.

Other clubs like Leicester are massively better than you guys in terms of scouting and building a team.

The big reason you guys are misspending all the money Ferguson left for you guys is because you have a shitty scouting team. You kept throwing money at established players that don't even if your team structure, or wasting them on players who lack the attributes to make it in a title winning team.
 

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I like the fact the redcafe allows more freedom to rival fans but it seems a bit much to have someone come here and call United manager a shit coach . Wouldn't happen on any other forum ...
 

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Still think you're blinded by a United fans point of view though what club had a 'leg up' historically? United post Munich? United relegated in the 70s or a cup side in the 80s? Liverpool didn't just keep dominating after the 80s? Juve relegated to serie b? Barca struggling at turn of century? Sport has natural cycles and rises and falls. Clubs used as PR vehicles for murky regimes circumvent these peaks and troughs.
Juve came back from Serie B dusted themselves and have won most if not all the scudetto titles in 7 years. Every historically established team has gone through down times but which teams from the bottom of the spectrum could muster enough capacity to go against them shoulder to shoulder in the long term? Implication of this is that default setting returns sooner than later and they are at the top again. That’s the reality buddy.
 
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Jive came back from Serie B dusted themselves and have won most ic not all the scudetto and titles in 7 years. Every historically established team has gone through down times but which teams from the bottom of the spectrum could muster enough capacity to go against them shoulder to shoulder? Implication of this is that default setting returns sooner than later and they are at the top again. That’s the reality buddy.
Like Liverpool waiting 30 years? Or when we might again? Or ac Milan? You're cherry picking
 

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No, but I think Arteta has more room to grow and develop as a coach than Ole. He does pay attention to attacking positional play at the least.



It depends which Spurs team you are talking about. If it's a Pochettino team, I can respect them for winning with entertaining football. If they win with Mourinho in charge, then hell no.

I certainly do not like the idea of Ole winning the PL with his current playing style.
You as an Arsenal fan have some nerves to call Ole s*** on a United forum as well as put Arteta and “attacking” in the same line.
Now go back and rather worry about your piss poor team and manager and find out why so many smaller clubs are constantly doing better than Arsenal.
 

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I think most fans would be worried if it was a case of one or two teams winning the league year in year out in those seven years. We’ve had 4 teams win the league in that period.
We had 4 teams win it in the same period in the 90s, which people have started revising as being a one horse race.
 

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Yeah Arsenal fans seem to think Arteta is pep-lite or something, based on no evidence of course. Guy will get fired before Ole does, you heard it here first.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
So, as an Arsenal fan, all those years of Wenger scouting and signing young talents from abroad on a budget, dominating the league, becoming United’s biggest rivals on merit wasn’t infinitely more satisfying?

All that time Wenger invested and the price he paid (to his legacy) in balancing the books and easing a club he loved into a new stadium on a tight budget were for nothing?

I am really surprised to hear this from an Arsenal fan considering the clubs recent history and how much of it had been focused on managing a club the right way.

Wenger himself has enough to say about the subject and took great pride in his work.
 

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You as an Arsenal fan have some nerves to call Ole s*** on a United forum as well as put Arteta and “attacking” in the same line.
Now go back and rather worry about your piss poor team and manager and find out why so many smaller clubs are constantly doing better than Arsenal.
Yeah Arsenal fans seem to think Arteta is pep-lite or something, based on no evidence of course. Guy will get fired before Ole does, you heard it here first.
There's a chance Arteta would have won more trophies than Ole by the time both managers left the club.

So, as an Arsenal fan, all those years of Wenger scouting and signing young talents from abroad on a budget, dominating the league, becoming United’s biggest rivals on merit wasn’t infinitely more satisfying?

All that time Wenger invested and the price he paid (to his legacy) in balancing the books and easing a club he loved into a new stadium on a tight budget were for nothing?

I am really surprised to hear this from an Arsenal fan considering the clubs recent history and how much of it had been focused on managing a club the right way.

Wenger himself has enough to say about the subject and took great pride in his work.
Wenger always ensured Arsenal plays good attacking football. It's why Arsenal continues to have appeal among fans even when they are not winning anything.
 

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So, as an Arsenal fan, all those years of Wenger scouting and signing young talents from abroad on a budget, dominating the league, becoming United’s biggest rivals on merit wasn’t infinitely more satisfying?

All that time Wenger invested and the price he paid (to his legacy) in balancing the books and easing a club he loved into a new stadium on a tight budget were for nothing?

I am really surprised to hear this from an Arsenal fan considering the clubs recent history and how much of it had been focused on managing a club the right way.

Wenger himself has enough to say about the subject and took great pride in his work.
I don’t think you made it clear so I’m gonna double check, is he an Arsenal fan?

Hes right anyway. We’ve bought very poorly Bruno aside & entrusted a manager who is clearly nowhere near the required level needed to challenge Pep & City.
 

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The only people that seems fed up with a one horse race is Man Utd fans. In all honesty, I would rather enjoy watching a team playing good passing/attacking football dominate and win the league than to watch two defensive/reactive team 1-nil their way to the title.

I don't think you guys are in any position to complain about a boring one-horse race is because you guys have the resources to challenge Man City. Yes, they have limitless money, but they have not really outspend you guys massively. You guys have an endless supply of sponsorships that allows you to throw $100 million at players in an period when even the La Liga giants are becoming bankrupt.

You guys have money to spend. We end up with a one-horse race because the only other club that can match Man City in terms of spending decides to waste all their money on a shit coach and average players that lacks elite level technical ability to dominate the game.
The same shit coach who finished third last season (his first full season) and is currently second in the table now? Agreed with some of the thing you mentioned but it's a bit rude calling United manager shit on united forum, especially coming from a rival fan. You will be a newbie for sometime yet.
 

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Like Liverpool waiting 30 years? Or when we might again? Or ac Milan? You're cherry picking
No I’m talking about a low table side being able to begin to compete at the top end of the league favorably in the long term. It’s a very tough ask. What happened to Leicester the season after they won the league? They were in the relegation conversation.
 

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There's a chance Arteta would have won more trophies than Ole by the time both managers left the club.
There is a chance I would sleep with Adriana Lima. And Jose won trophies with United, no one remembers him fondly. Only trophies that really matter are PL/CL. I would bet Ole has a greater chance of winning one of those before Arteta does.