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Shaw confirms ref bottled the penalty
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I fault the club for doing it. We have done nothing wrong, so why everyone is expecting punishment is rather odd. Referees need calling out and there is nothing wrong in doing so, especially in this case where players are simply quoting what was said...
Lots of our fans have a very odd mentality to right/wrong and speaking out.
Should be against the rules (especially where gambling is concerned). Surely the club have a right to sue paddy power over this?
Everyone takes about his left hand. What is his right hand doing? Shouldn't it be a foul for grabbing Lindelof by his balls?Would be a foul 999 times out of a 1000
With United, it's all fair game, this time it was the VAR ref. Around 7 points lost probably in recent weeks to some very dubious decisions but I can see yesterday Chelsea coming out more and getting an equalizer if the pen was given, we'll never know some would argue we could pick them off. Not like I think we're in some big title chase but we could've made it more interesting if refs aren't spooked into this. We now have a very dull league with one team out of sight while the media and fans can't handle too many decisions going our way.
God I forgot about the Mount kick. So 2 possible red cards for Chelsea and a penalty not given to us.
Chelsea wanker so would expect nothing less from himJust seen an article in the Telegraph from that wanker Jason Burt who says the FA Should have come down hard on Utd and Shaw and we owe Atwell an apology.For what exactly? Letting the world know the refs a bottle job? Feck off!
We should be only 5-7 points behind (or even closer). We won against Sheff Utd (major incorrect decisions) and we probably would have won against Chelsea (penalty most likely would have been scored). That is 5 additional points right there... and I am sure there are more I can't remember right now. Yes we have been cheated out of a title race.
Also the Sheffield United result put us out of kilter for Everton, Arsenal and West Brom, so we would have likely not lost quite so many points if the Sheff Utd decisions had been correct.
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w@nkers....exactly the agenda that’s working against us.
This pretty much says it all for me.
Hello Donald Trump thank you for not punishing our team for your mistakes.At a guess...
We didn't get a penalty we should've gotten and were grumpy.
One of our players ran their mouth saying the ref said something he didn't.
What the ref actually said, despite not being as bad as Shaw suggested, is also shit he shouldn't have said.
So, rather than banning Shaw and disciplining the ref, we all agree to leave it there.
We didn't get a penalty we should've gotten and were grumpy.
One of our players ran their mouth saying the ref said something he didn't.
What the ref actually said, despite not being as bad as Shaw suggested, is also shit he shouldn't have said.
So, rather than banning Shaw and disciplining the ref, we all agree to leave it there.
I think Shaw probably said what Maguire told the team. What was actually said by the ref can be verified by the ref's mic. United probably stepped in to say that Shaw misheard (perhaps contacted by FA to do so). Imagine if Shaw challenged this and transcripts of what the ref said have to produced. If they match, then the FA will be in such a pickle. Yes, Shaw gets fined, but for repeating what was actually said.
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Now trying to make Shaw look like the bad guy. Why don't the FA just put out the recording if what Shaw said was not the case and then ban Shaw? For some reason, this situation has really really pissed me off than anything else in football recently.
This was expected. The media are only going to vilify our players or say Man Utd are miles behind Man City and their moaning about refs being influenced is a lame excuse not befitting United.
It's as much a penalty as Maguire's bearhug on Azpi in Old Trafford. Move on....we did.
That's why you go full whataboutism?
Nah. The ref did say what Shaw heard. Shaw had to backtrack to avoid punishment.
You did? Then why were you still going on about it on your website match preview? Yeah sounds really like you moved on....
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Wow, Simon Stones tweet really suggests the ref totally did say it. VAR is such a farce. Don't see how it adds to the game.
I don’t see how this is a VAR issue at all. He didn’t see the handball in real time (which is fair enough) but was then instructed by VAR to look at it again because they thought there was grounds for a penalty. He looked at multiple replays showing CHO’s hand satisfying all of the conditions for handball and then still decided not to give a penalty. VAR performed as it should, the ref bottled it.
For me VAR covers all of these things. If we have a VAR-system in place, it should also take care of these situations so a human "error" like this can't feck up the laws, I.E. the 3 refs in the VAR room should be able to overrule it if it's dead certain.
VAR is about influencing EVERY law of the game, so I don't see how you can just exclude this decision in the overall judgement of it and dismiss it as "this is not VAR". It is the way VAR is setup, that has to face critique, if you ask me.
Such a ridiculous comment.
WUM
I agree. It’s VAR in the first place bringing all this nonsense to the front. People wouldn’t have give a feck about that handball two years ago, mistakes happen. With VAR checking these and now giving them it’s making a mockery when they don’t, football has turned into a genuine soap opera and the tv companies are loving it
If anything Attwell’s decision making process has been proven correct. The outrage has been at Solskjaer and Shaw for complaining and despite the decision going against us the narrative has been still been about United getting too many decisions.
Where as it been proven correct?
What's really worrying about all this VAR Outroar and Controversy with yesterday's game and just in general with any decisions for us as it seems to dramatically lower people's iq level and common sense and they cannot see past there football bias to see logic because it's Man Utd and they've been raised to hate us since they were in pampers because we used to constantly blast there daddy's favourite football team off the park,
There is so much examples out there of the shocking var/ref decisions that have went against us this season compared to ones that maybe went in our favour. but rival fans can't be bothered to take note of that because it's fun to bash united, fair enough, but don't then start crying next week when it's your team that's getting done over by a bad ref decision.
I want better officiating and var outcomes for all teams in the league, even for chelsea, liverpool and city, that's the main issue here, however when it's a decision in relation to united even as clear as the one against chelsea people turn a blind eye ? hmm
There is so much examples out there of the shocking var/ref decisions that have went against us this season compared to ones that maybe went in our favour. but rival fans can't be bothered to take note of that because it's fun to bash united, fair enough, but don't then start crying next week when it's your team that's getting done over by a bad ref decision.
I want better officiating and var outcomes for all teams in the league, even for chelsea, liverpool and city, that's the main issue here, however when it's a decision in relation to united even as clear as the one against chelsea people turn a blind eye ? hmm
We're full of wums.
Err... did you read the rest of my post. He was worried he would be in the media spotlight for giving “another soft penalty“ to United. Instead nobody in the media has been on his case, they’ve been focusing their bile at Solskjaer and Shaw.
I didn’t ask you but since you are on it, you did move on? Really? What an irony in that statement
Pathetic aint it.
funny post though as they’ve supposedly moved on yet him as a fan has brought it back up and the club themselves did before the match. Certainly all moved on from it
Ok, not sure why you had to err, but ok.
From your post I thought you meant that his official decision making process of why it was handball had been proven correct, not his own version of avoiding drama.
I seen a post yesterday that Rio was interviewing him last night and thought something may have been said on there that you’d seen.
just a misunderstanding.
Fergie expressed thanks that our match vs Arsenal? was being reffed by a strong referee. Fined and put in the stands. Master of “mind games”.
chelski come out with this pre-match Bollox after Fwankie had his say and ... nothing. It’s all harmless stuff. Doesn’t influence refs at all. No siree.
chelski come out with this pre-match Bollox after Fwankie had his say and ... nothing. It’s all harmless stuff. Doesn’t influence refs at all. No siree.
I actually liked him about 25 years ago - thought him, Tyler and Gray were great together. How young I must have been
Wasnt with Attwell. Just discussing it
Ah ok
Stinks of a cover up, this. If Atwell didn’t say what was alleged then Shaw would have been charged with bringing the game into disrepute. Players and managers have been charged for significantly less.
Think this may be the case too.
If there was no proof of Atwell saying it I'm sure the FA would have been delighted to fine and suspend Shaw and Ole. The fact they want to sweep it under the rug and move on suggests Atwell did say that.
The ref of the Wales England RU match has admitted he made mistakes for two of Wales’s tries, can’t imagine a Premiership ref doing that, far too much money involved, getting into CL etc.