RedDevil@84
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A more apt question maybe is does he make top 3-4 keepers for United?
If we go by that, few people also think Zlatan and RVP are legends, so surely De Gea should be one too?Good points to argue the case, I still struggle to use the word legend with him though, he’s just been an absuloute star of a keeper for us we should be greatful we had during a shit time.
To think some don’t even consider Rooney a legend but then there’s arguments for DGea seems weird to me, I know they may not be the same posters, just shows how differently people judge a legend
In no particular order, Schmeichel, VDS, De Gea and Stepney?A more apt question maybe is does he make top 3-4 keepers for United?
Top 5 definitely. Top 3 is a bit more of a debate.A more apt question maybe is does he make top 3-4 keepers for United?
Fair enough, I was just thinking of my hometown team, non league now but played in cup winners cup in its pomp (historic match!) and I was naming about ten legends in my head, I could get to twenty easy with United. I get your point about it being relative thoughThey definitely could if they're as much a fan as you or I are of Man United or Chelsea.
I know tons of Bournemouth fans for example (I moved down here a few years ago) and I'd never heard of most of the players they consider legends.
My "squad of legends" thing is pretty dumb, I'll admit that!
I don’t really know what you mean your reply to what you bolded in my post. I don’t think Zlatan and rvp are legends.If we go by that, few people also think Zlatan and RVP are legends, so surely De Gea should be one too?
I guess it depends on your definition. Some United fans think only the likes of Charlton, Best, Giggs etc are legends.Good points to argue the case, I still struggle to use the word legend with him though, he’s just been an absuloute star of a keeper for us we should be greatful we had during a shit time.
To think some don’t even consider Rooney a legend but then there’s arguments for DGea seems weird to me, I know they may not be the same posters, just shows how differently people judge a legend
Easily.A more apt question maybe is does he make top 3-4 keepers for United?
You make the Rooney point, but sad thing is a lot of people on here were trying to deny his legend status too. There seems to be a huge amount of 'what have you done for me lately' on here. DDG was being spoken about on here as our GOAT keeper not long ago, now people speak like he is trash, barely top 5 and not a legend. Same happened to Rooney and you see the same thing happening to guys like Martial, Pogba, Rashford, etc. the minute they have a sustained run of bad form. You even have posters saying that Tammy Abraham is better than Martial and that he wouldn't get into Arsenal's side, yet just last season he outperformed all of them and was our player of the year!He was a top 3 goalkeeper in the world for 6 straight seasons(2012 - 2018). He's probably done more for the club than RVN, Carrick, Park and Neville. Several of the mentioned are considered United legends.
I think there are 3 reasons for why people don't consider him a legend:
1. Lack of major trophies
Stupid reason. I guess Gerrard isn't a Liverpool legend then?
2. Too many United goalkeepers with the legend status in recent history
Schmeichel and VDS are already considered United legends. Already adding another GK to the list may feel wrong to some people. This is a flawed logic, though. You can't really decide when these legends appear.
3. His form in the last 2 years
This logic is also flawed. Rooney's last 2-3 years for us was pretty sad to watch, but he's still a legend.
I bolded that part to say I'm talking about that particular point.I don’t really know what you mean your reply to what you bolded in my post. I don’t think Zlatan and rvp are legends.
my point was Rooney won multiple major trophies with us, best part of his career with us, top scorer for us yet his legend status gets questioned. Then you get people suggestion DeGea is a legend when he’s got nowhere near that record, even though he has been a quality keeper for us and I’ve loved his time here, it just highlighted to me the different criteria’s people must use to make their call of a legend
I agree, I wonder how far your etc would go and who would be included.I guess it depends on your definition. Some United fans think only the likes of Charlton, Best, Giggs etc are legends.
Yeah I’ve no idea who’s a legend or not anymoreI bolded that part to say I'm talking about that particular point.
So Rooney point is fine, then you have scenarios where people consider RVP and Zlatan as Legends, when that's the case, surely De Gea should be one too? Just reverse Rooney situation.
Btw Rooney is Legend, I have no idea how anyone can argue against that.
DDG won the PL in 2013. That was his first really good season as well.I find it difficult to describe any player who hasn't won major trophies for us a legend.
Think of van der Sar with his arms out and that huge grin after the Moscow penalty shoot out LegendHe is a legend but not a big legend.
Out of the time period I have followed United - I'd say he is the 3rd best GK we had.
Peter is no 1, Van Der Sar above de gea at no 2 due to his CL performances.
He did win a PL with us tbf. I mean does Bryan Robson only scrape in as a legend because he got that second league title with us? Despite only making 15 league appearances that season, half as a substitute.I find it difficult to describe any player who hasn't won major trophies for us a legend. I tend to think of it as stand out players in our best teams.
It is really harsh though as De Gea has done a lot for this club. If he was a striker putting in similar levels of performances whilst the rest of the team were costing us trophies he'd probably be considered a legend. I wouldn't class VDS as a legend either to be fair.
4th maybe.A more apt question maybe is does he make top 3-4 keepers for United?
This. He won the POTY four times.If you don't think he's a legend, then I demand to see your list of United legends in the PL era.
- Has been world class for 5-6 seasons
- Has won the PL(and was one of our best players that season)
- Has won multiple cups
- Has been our POTY multiple times
- Has been around for a long time(9th season now)
What is the issue?
Yeah but winning trophies is an emotional element. The winning goal the big game moments etc.He did win a PL with us tbf. I mean does Bryan Robson only scrape in as a legend because he got that second league title with us? Despite only making 15 league appearances that season, half as a substitute.
I think thinking of someone as a legend is more an emotion-based thing than a fact-based one. Pointing to trophy tallies or saying "they can't be a legend if they haven't done X" seems reductive to me. Different people earn their stripes in different ways, depending on the circumstances.