Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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What possesses him to play Fred and Matic together is beyond me. His blind spot to Rashford's lack of effort is also bizarre.

I genuinely thought he'd be a very meritocratic manager, but he definitely has his favourites.
 

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Load of shit being spoken about regarding Ole not being backed by the board.

He chose to spend £130 million on Maguire and AWB. He chose to spend £40 million on DVDB.

When someone spends £170 million and you’ve barely improved the first team, the answer isn’t to let them spend £170 million more.
 

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There are good arguments, and there’s shite like this.
He is a nothing manager, nothing wrong with that. Won nothing respectable in his life, his only achievement is convincing the stupid board he is the manager for Manchester united and I respect him for that, how he did he convince them with his small time CV? impressive.

You cant come here trying to convince anyone that a manager from the Norwegian league is capable of taking the greatest club in England back to the glory days. You should make a very very good case to convince anyone with that.
 

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Would we? We spent shithoads of money in the last years, close to what City spent. The gap in quality between us and them is shocking and it's not getting closer. Splashing cash got us nowhere, I think it's time we invested in a good manager.
You know that only counts if you spend money correctly right?

If you spend £70m on Lukaku, then sell him to Inter for £70m, have you really spent the money?
If you buy a Di Maria, then sell him after a season, did you really spend wisely? And is that still money well spent?
If you sign Sanchez and then loan him out after a season and eventually sell him off, did you buy well?
What about Schneiderlin, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Rojo and Darmian? At least they were good signings. Luckily they're all still at the club and are putting in some solid performances.
 

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Never said that either, genuine question as to whom we should replace Solskajer with if he goes in the summer, you're making a lot of assumptions right now, it would suggest you're not thinking clearly and you're reacting emotionally to today's result. Also known as a classic case of "knee-jerking".

I mean Nagelsmann seems to be fairly popular on here. Personally I don't rate him, too wedded to one system, lacks the ability to react to a situation that's getting out of control but that's just my opinion. I also think that Nagelsmann is just the next Marco Silva, Brendon Rodgers, Pochettino, etc. They're all good managers but ultimately what wins you trophies is top players, and that we do not have outside of Bruno, Rashford and Pogba.
You don't like Nagelsmann, but you do like Solskjaer. Well isn't it just great, says a lot about how wrongly you see football sadly.
 

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If you're happy with what you saw tonight then you're a clueless feckwit.
I don't think you'll find anyone here who is happy with tonight performance, but I do think anyone quick to jump on the internet to look for a fight because they're football team didn't win may in fact be what you just accused me of being.
 

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It’s neither true or false. It’s just a subjective opinion.
It's not though. There are managers at far more clubs than ours who walk into other PL jobs, and managers at clubs far far further down the table than us.

Ole is a Utd man and that's why he has the job beyond anything else, don't forget that.
 

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He’s a good man manager but tactically woeful.

we desperately need a coach that wants to play football with an actual plan. Possession based with well timed movement.

oles style just relies too much on individual ability and when things go badly it all collapses
 

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Not sure if Ole's to blame for tonight. Multiple players had shockingly bad performances. Our squad is lacking depth in midfield with the injuries and Greenwood & Martial have been out of form for far too long.



Right after their debut or when they had been in the squad for a while?


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Macheda scored a hattrick for the reserves just before his debut goal vs Villa. What exactly is your point? Did Ronaldo play in the reserves? He rarely ever signed a player that got sent to the reserves, from what I remember.
 

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He is a nothing manager, nothing wrong with that. Won nothing respectable in his life, his only achievement is convincing the stupid board he is the manager for Manchester united and I respect him for that, how he did he convince them with his small time CV? impressive.

You cant come here trying to convince anyone that a manager from the Norwegian league is capable of taking the greatest club in England back to the glory days. You should make a very very good case to convince anyone with that.
Relax, I won’t try to convince you of anything. I just think the “barely Championship manager” is a rubbish argument, and I disagree with it. I also think it’s useless in this thread, as it only creates divide without adding anything other than hyperbolic negativity.

Jesse Lingard was a championship level player as well. People go blind with hatred, understandably so, but it makes their opinions less relevant.
 

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It's not though. There are managers at far more clubs than ours who walk into other PL jobs, and managers at clubs far far further down the table than us.

Ole is a Utd man and that's why he has the job beyond anything else, don't forget that.
“Ole is the best manager we could possibly have signed” is just as factual as “Ole is Championship level at best”. Neither are true or false, they are just opinions.
 

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You don't like Nagelsmann, but you do like Solskjaer. Well isn't it just great, says a lot about how wrongly you see football sadly.
Please quote me on where I said I "like Solskjaer".

Progress should always be awarded with more time, and that is what Solskajer will ultimately get at United. Whether or not that is the right decision is yet to be seen. If you think all our problems start and end with the manager I think how you view football should be questioned really.
 

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Never said that either, genuine question as to whom we should replace Solskajer with if he goes in the summer, you're making a lot of assumptions right now, it would suggest you're not thinking clearly and you're reacting emotionally to today's result. Also known as a classic case of "knee-jerking".

I mean Nagelsmann seems to be fairly popular on here. Personally I don't rate him, too wedded to one system, lacks the ability to react to a situation that's getting out of control but that's just my opinion. I also think that Nagelsmann is just the next Marco Silva, Brendon Rodgers, Pochettino, etc. They're all good managers but ultimately what wins you trophies is top players, and that we do not have outside of Bruno, Rashford and Pogba.
Compared to what we have right now? Barely any system and doesn't change anything in games we're struggling.
 

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I don't think he is necessarily a bad manager for us, but I think we can do better. I'm not seeing any progress being made this season compared with last season. We are on course for a similar point total despite having had Bruno for the entirety of this season.

Right now we are a team that gets somewhere in the region of 70 points over a full season. That is at least 10 points away from realistically challenging for the title over any given season (probably 20 as long as Guardiola remains at City). Regardless of manager the squad needs to be improved, but I'm not sure whether that will be enough.
 

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Relax, I won’t try to convince you of anything. I just think the “barely Championship manager” is a rubbish argument, and I disagree with it. I also think it’s useless in this thread, as it only creates divide without adding anything other than hyperbolic negativity.

Jesse Lingard was a championship level player as well. People go blind with hatred, understandably so, but it makes their opinions less relevant.
Is it though? he did relegate a PL club.
 

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Wait, did he actually not use the 3rd sub ?

Yeah sure putting Diallo on would have hurt I guess.
 

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So Ole’s agreed to a spend of over 300m to get us one top player?
I've said many times before. I don't like the approach of signing depth but that's what we've done mostly for the last two seasons. You should sign first team players and demote your current crop that aren't good enough or don't make the grade anymore. Last summer was a complete waste of time.
 

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His mentality as a manager stinks.
I can't agree with him there, I'm afraid. I don't think Palace played a certain way to nullify us and I don't even think they necessarily played that well. We just couldn't string passes together or create chances, which is more down to our own doing than it was them.

Even then, we are meant to be the better team and are meant to have the better players. We should be enforcing our own style of football on them and forcing them to play our way. Nobody is scared of us anymore and we're quite soft to play against.
 

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Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Bayern Munich would not accept what we are seeing. Their boards would have Ole out on his ear a long time ago. The problem we have is that we are a big club in name like all the clubs listed, but we don't have the mentality of a top club. Glazers Out!
 

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Fair enough but then how come you rate Ole? He is exactly the type you just described...
I never said I rate Ole. However we have progressed over the last couple of seasons so he will get time regardless of what anyone thinks. We can argue about replacing him all we want but a title challenge was never the expectation for this season coming in so he won't, and rightly, shouldn't be judged on that.
 
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I've said many times before. I don't like the approach of signing depth but that's what we've done mostly for the last two seasons. You should sign first team players and demote your current crop that aren't good enough or don't make the grade anymore. Last summer was a complete waste of time.
We didn’t spend 300m on depth, stop lying to yourself man.
 

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I’m talking about myself. When I do a bad job of something I want to be better.
Ole’s past actions? What are they? The jury on Ole the manager is well and truly out, that’s unarguable.
Sounds to me like the person who’s sticking to a narrative is you to be honest. I’ve said what I think, I wholeheartedly disagree with your post. I think it’s lacking any objectivity.
Have you considered offering your services to become the manager of Manchester United? I think you may have a skillset we've been missing all this time.
 

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Is worrying thinking that the coaches and playing staff think they have 2nd place set in stone. Its not and they may have a rude awakening some time soon.
 

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Nagelsmann is just the next Marco Silva, Brendon Rodgers, Pochettino, etc.
Marco Silva was a bust, but....

Brendon Rodgers - A Gerrard slip away from basically winning the league with Liverpool. Has Leicester competing consistently in the CL spots, got them holding on us in 3rd this season, with a far inferior squad.

Mauricio Pochettino - Helped rebuild Spurs and did it with limited room in transfers. Took Spurs to a CL final.

Julien Nagelsmann - Took a very, very below quality Leipzig(by comparison) into a CL semi final.

Good company of managers you don't rate, there.
 

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Did anyone else look at Ole and think to themselves he doesn't know what do here to get a result? He just looked a bit lost and it was just hoping for the best.
 

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Have you considered offering your services to become the manager of Manchester United? I think you may have a skillset we've been missing all this time.
No, I’m good with my own job thanks. I’ll leave this discussion now, you crack on running around the caf arguing with anyone who doesn’t agree with your incredibly blinkered view of things, I’ll go back to work.
 

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Marco Silva was a bust, but....

Brendon Rodgers - A Gerrard slip away from basically winning the league with Liverpool. Has Leicester competing consistently in the CL spots, got them holding on us in 3rd this season, with a far inferior squad.

Mauricio Pochettino - Helped rebuild Spurs and did it with limited room in transfers. Took Spurs to a CL final.

Julien Nagelsmann - Took a very, very below quality Leipzig(by comparison) into a CL semi final.

Good company of managers you don't rate, there.
As I said, they're good managers but I don't believe they have what it takes to be a success at Manchester United. It takes a certain character and I don't see it in them.
 

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Marco Silva was a bust, but....

Brendon Rodgers - A Gerrard slip away from basically winning the league with Liverpool. Has Leicester competing consistently in the CL spots, got them holding on us in 3rd this season, with a far inferior squad.

Mauricio Pochettino - Helped rebuild Spurs and did it with limited room in transfers. Took Spurs to a CL final.

Julien Nagelsmann - Took a very, very below quality Leipzig(by comparison) into a CL semi final.

Good company of managers you don't rate, there.
Nagelsmann has gotten Hoffenheim from being nearly relegated when he took over into Champions League in just season and a half. And when he took over Leipzig, he instantly got them to Champions League semi final. This season he's also progressed past the group stage, and is going toes to toes with Bayern in Bundesliga, being just two points behind. But surely he's in the same bracket as Solskjaer.

This really is getting hillarious.

Btw, just quoted you to further emphasize what you just wrote, of course I agree with you.
 

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No, I’m good with my own job thanks. I’ll leave this discussion now, you crack on running around the caf arguing with anyone who doesn’t agree with your incredibly blinkered view of things, I’ll go back to work.
:lol: You literally came in to tell people what Solskjaer was thinking in his own head, and then acted like it was a fact. You're really wasted on whatever it is you're doing now.
 

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Is it though? he did relegate a PL club.
Okay, you’ve convinced me. He’s barely championship level. Horrible coach, horrible manager, who’s just been riding his luck for two years. Every positive is a coincidence, every negative is Ole. That lucky, barely championship level, bastard. Of course he can’t have improved since his 9 month stint at Cardiff six/seven years ago. People are so are so deluded. As was I until you showed me the light.
 
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