cant see McKenna here? Is he demoted/fired? Not that I would mind.Club Hierarchy according to the Athletic
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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I'm not sure that this guy has any experience in a Director of Football roleThis is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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Where is Kieran McKenna? Shouldn't he be next to Carrick on this?Club Hierarchy according to the Athletic
The positive of this is that now the Glazers and Woodward know that with this announcement that there will be a lot eyes on this position now meaning they would want to get it right.
Hopefully we'll see better business in the transfer market now.
Hopefully we'll see better business in the transfer market now.
Half the issues I used to see with the team was you never seemed to recruit players for a role, instead you recruitred a fancy toy and expected to it to work. You also swung massively in the type of managers to hire so players bought for Moyes didn't work for LVG didn'r work for Jose. Last 2 years you've recruited much better and seem to have an actual plan. If he's been working on the Youth recruitment (that seems great) and Womens (thats been done well to), then putting him in this role makes great sense.
People don't like it cause they wanted someone from outside, but thats half the problems you've had with the other roles.
People don't like it cause they wanted someone from outside, but thats half the problems you've had with the other roles.
Yeah looks like they left him out by mistake.
Where are Commercial and Marketing?
No it's still true. I said day to day. I would still expect Woodward to step in even now if needed to help push a transfer over the line. Otherwise, he'll continue what he's been doing the last few years and just sign off on stuff, focusing on the overall management including the women's team and commercial outfits.
How is it a repackaging if people are being promoted and now having people report to them who weren't before? Judge wasn't reporting to him before. He's also now the contact person along with Judge for transfers. He wasn't that before.
He still is.
It's the same bunch that have been here for years with different titles, we've needed some fresh eyes at the club for ages as beyond our youth recruitment we've not been pulling up trees in the transfer market.
Every CEO in football has the final say in that regard, no matter if the club has a DoF or not.
Wait, what’s wrong with that? Those aren’t like diametrically opposed points of view that you have highlighted there, it looks like an utterly reasonable pair of statements.This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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Yeah I bet that's part of it too. In the Telegraph article it mentioned Woodward getting calls about transfers when he's not involved in that at all until the end and it created a mess. Woodward was having to do Judge's job because people didn't read his announcements that he's not involved. Also, Judge's previous title didn't point out him to be the one people should be talking to.
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It’s better than that, people are actually displeased that his title is Football Director rather than Director of FootballThis is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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We have a bunch of coaches who aren't on the chart. It just means they don't have anyone under them
So what if they've been here for years? The person involved in the good things at the club are being promoted now. The same youth recruitment you mentioned.
Also, Fletcher is a pair of fresh eyes considering he had no say behind the scenes now. He's also now involved as a person to sell the club to transfer targets.
As long as this keeps Woodward away from football and sticking to numbers, its a win
They aren't specialists at being a DOF, and Matt Judge is still head of negotiations, it's not the actual change we needed imo, it's more of the same just shuffled.
Fletcher is another case of bringing back another one of the boys, he as zero experience in this role and if all we wanted was a former player to sell the club we should have appointed someone with charisma like Rio, he's ideal for that type of role.
Maybe not for us but for other clubs the Director of Football would be over the manager atleast in some ways.
As they would be the one who chooses and hires managers and would probably be the one to suggest to the CEO when they should be fired etc.
doesnt 'get the club'
Plus Rio was a silky, technical player, which means he would be great for the role of technical director. Alternatively, he could also be a good silk merchant, should we ever decide to implement such a role to our ever evolving structure.
Of course it is a fob. It keeps the fans happy for a while. It also gives Woodward an outlet to say to the fans, it is not me. It is them. Negotiations is not something you can just turn up and do. For me this is entirely to keep the fans happy. Fletcher is popular among the fans. I wish they would appoint someone with more experience in these sort of things. This is Manchester United and not some middle of the road club.
Yeh. It's like being satisfied by getting a League 1 player for our RW. "What else do you want, man? we got you a RW!!"
I guess its hard to hire your club managers boss when he's already in place. I'm sure when Solskjaer moves on - the structure will become more linear with the head coach under the DOF
It's a very positive move by the club and i'm glad they've gone the internal route. I've been saying on here for years that our recruitment team has been marginalized by the managers post Fergie when it came to recruiting players as per several reports from the Manchester press pack. Mourinho according to reports was using his own personal scouts to sign players which frustrated the likes of Murtough and Marcel Bout due to the managers unwillingness to listen to them, which caused a disconnect between the scouts and manager which can never be a good thing for the club if the manager is only interested in the here and now. It seems the appointment of Murtough as the head of football operations gives the club scouts significant power to shape the development of the club in the mid to longterm. The club scouts haven't had such power since Fergie was at the club, when he only had his brother and Jim Lawlor as the only two full-time scouts at the club who were supported by a number of part time scouts which included Jimmy Ryan who was on the coaching staff.
Rangnick, Campos etc have done good jobs in the same field but they've done their work at clubs that provided a stepping stone for young hot prospects who they enticed by the lure of playing first team football. Those players would then be sold on for a tidy profit in the coming years. Does Leipzig have better scouts than United? I would confidently say no, they don't. But their model of luring young players in by offering first team opportunities at a very early age, so they can then sell for a tidy profit in years to come is something we can't compete with, if the player and his family prioritize development above all else.
Also appointing Murtough in a position of power will hopefully better prepare us in the eventuality the head coach is sacked, which will provide stability and continuity, instead of the next manager culling the squad which has been a huge detriment to the club.
Rangnick, Campos etc have done good jobs in the same field but they've done their work at clubs that provided a stepping stone for young hot prospects who they enticed by the lure of playing first team football. Those players would then be sold on for a tidy profit in the coming years. Does Leipzig have better scouts than United? I would confidently say no, they don't. But their model of luring young players in by offering first team opportunities at a very early age, so they can then sell for a tidy profit in years to come is something we can't compete with, if the player and his family prioritize development above all else.
Also appointing Murtough in a position of power will hopefully better prepare us in the eventuality the head coach is sacked, which will provide stability and continuity, instead of the next manager culling the squad which has been a huge detriment to the club.
With so many directors onboard, can we expect to unearth some unknown gems just like the good old days under SAF?
Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Jaap Stam, RVN, Irwin, Ole, Class of 92 and etc.
These directors have been here since 2014 and the signings during this period of time is not impressive at all. Hope its more to do with Moyes, LVG and Jose than them.
Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Jaap Stam, RVN, Irwin, Ole, Class of 92 and etc.
These directors have been here since 2014 and the signings during this period of time is not impressive at all. Hope its more to do with Moyes, LVG and Jose than them.
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The insinuation is his remit is delegated. Let's see if he forces his footballing views from here on. I assume the veto of transfers as a power is in place to prevent stupid signings.
Then this "new" 2 roles are just for show then?
How an insider, who used to a subordinator getting promoted to a role of manager's boss, is any more good feel than hiring established DOF from the outside? It can be interpreted as Ole failed to live up to SAF manager role, and there is someone in the club has learn on the job quicker.
Could you give us any example of big clubs that hires 'specialist' DOF and become very successful? The only two I remember in recent times are Arsenal that hired Mislintat and Roma that hired Monchi and don't think those two are success stories
So you think promoting someone who have successfully revamped our scouting network and academy to higher position in the club is not actual change we needed?
Edwin is a CEO not a DOF. When will people actually take note of this?
People wanted someone with pedigree, not a couple of inexperienced yes men who have done nothing in football management ...This is one funny thread. People wanted a director of football, they wanted a technical director. Now we have one ...but feck it’s not the one that I want !
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So not a real DOF, huh? Just Ed proxy for when things get out of control.
So basically he won't have much of a control? I don't know about this, dumbed my excitement for this but can't really judge till I see for myself.
Basically, yes.
Hopefully this will please some people and make them realise it’s not the same as before under different titles.
Judge will deal with negotiations of contracts but Murtough is the port of call
Judge will deal with negotiations of contracts but Murtough is the port of call
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I find it interesting that they call him "football director" and not "director of football". Kind of like being "assistant to the trailer park supervisor" and not "assistant trailer park supervisor"...