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Lamela getting sent off would do it for me as well as the above
Jose Mourinho Sack Watch | Sacked per 19-04
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The weird thing is the Spurs squad is full of players Jose would like to buy at a different club. Alderweireld, Dier, Højbjerg, Sissoko are all Jose stye players to go along with Kane and Son, who are genuine quality. Levy is not going to take a loss on Ndombele after spending 65M on him.
When I seen Lamela get sent off I couldn’t help but think back to him getting Martial sent off and thinking, “take that you numpty”
Tottenham's squad is good enough that they definitely can be reasonably expected to be in the top 4 picture. If you add an expected Mourinho dividend (and if you don't, why would you hire him? For his long-term beneficial effect on the academy and contributions to a strong, cohesive club culture?), I don't see how at the very least finishing 5th and being in the fight for a CL spot until the end could be considered anything other than a failure with that squad. And that's if you assume Liverpool isn't going to be the shitshow they've been, and Chelsea doesn't have to change their manager midway through the season.
IMO, for this season by considered an acceptable performance, Mourinho needs to get to 65-70 points. Right now, they're on pace for 61 points, hardly better than last season.
IMO, for this season by considered an acceptable performance, Mourinho needs to get to 65-70 points. Right now, they're on pace for 61 points, hardly better than last season.
Arsenal's squad is nowhere near Spurs' squad. In fact, neither is United's, according to Mourinho himself. But here we are, in 2nd place, while he's floundering with 45 points from 28 matches with what is - by his own admission - a better team than we are.
We aren't going to engage in revisionist history here. Spurs were a perennial top 4 team and Champions League finalists when Mourinho took over. There's no excuses for them to be where they are in the table, given the resources and players they have.
Classic Mourinho trick of playing a load attackers in an all out defensive shape then blaming the attackers
Back to abysmal. Bale just going through the motions again. Thought he would kick on after his recent upsurge of form. I'd be livid if I were a Spurs fan and had to witness that sort of display in a north London derby. Or in any other game for that matter. Shambles of a team!
And to think some here would have him back at United. As bad as the football can be at times, his last half season before he got sacked were the worst for me as a United fan.
When he does leave Spurs it'll be the same petulant tantrums.
When he does leave Spurs it'll be the same petulant tantrums.
Amen
I wonder how many on here would still have him back? I know he's got a lot of fans on here, I think he's entertaining as a personality, but would rather just not watch football anymore than have him back at the club.
Any fan who thinks that he should be back here is a blithering idiot. He’s reverting to type and calling out players in public and that won’t sit well with some. Ndombele looked a shadow of the player he is and Jose’s tactics meant he was stifled
Some of the posts when he was close to top of the league are hilarious now, people thinking Spurs are genuine title challengers because it's Jose's second season, how Jose is back, how Spurs are very professional players compared to viruses at ManUtd and all that.
Few even stopped posting since Spurs stopped winning.
Jose goes through the exact same cycle at every club he's been at, only thing is his cycle(s) tend to exclude the successful bits these days, and skips straight to the meltdown phase/throwing players under the bus and absolving himself from any/all blame. He's very divisive - loads of fans usually side with him over the squad up to a certain point...and even then...
And every club he goes to, so many of the fans believe 'he will change this time' and refuse to listen when fans of his previous club warn them. Then he does what the previous clubs fans warned, then he moves to another club and the above continues with the next set of fans.
The Spurs fanbase will never be the same again, just like Utd's. That's another horrible element he brings. Although he's providing so much misery and failure for them so early on, surely less of their fans will stick up for him like so many in our fanbase still do.
I recall reading a ton of those comments in this very thread, especially after Jose's comments about Ndombele/Alli
All part of the cycle and learning curve though. Seems it's not just "fans" who fall for it. A supposedly smart businessman like Levy has also seemingly been duped.
I still cannot believe there is a section of the fan base who would have him over Ole.
Fans seems to be holding onto his glory days, his football has not evolved, you cannot be a top team and give most of the PL majority of the ball.
He is starting to put some blame on players too now, it is a matter of time when the players start questioning his style of play considering their attacking talents are now hitting their peak in terms of age.
Fortunately for Spurs, Son and Kane do not look too concerned with silverware.
Fans seems to be holding onto his glory days, his football has not evolved, you cannot be a top team and give most of the PL majority of the ball.
He is starting to put some blame on players too now, it is a matter of time when the players start questioning his style of play considering their attacking talents are now hitting their peak in terms of age.
Fortunately for Spurs, Son and Kane do not look too concerned with silverware.
He is funny sometimes. He said it was an offense to penalties to give that penalty. I actually think he wants to retire so getting some retirement pay by getting sacked.
He went 4-2-3-1 against City in 2017 with this front 6:
Pogba Matic
Rashford Lingard Martial
Lukaku
We lost, and guess what, he blamed the attackers after setting up to defend with that team.
A significant portion of our fans(in here at least) are insane, so I'm not surprised. If they were in charge we'd never play the same starting XI twice in a row and we'd sack any manager that doesn't win the PL/CL immediately after said failure.
I don't think he's evolved with time, neither in his game nor man management.
The game management is obvious and easy to explain. His tactics worked when it was just 4-5 players doing the attacking. Now you see 7 attackers attacking and hence more goals as well. No matter how much you park the bus, you're more likely to concede now than you were 15 years ago. He really needs to stop this tactic where is sides stop attacking after getting the 1st goal.
As far as man management is concerned, I don't think siege mentality works as well in the current generation. Negative reinforcement, us vs them, while a decent way of encouraging people, just doesn't work on our generation, and that has a lot to do with how society has developed in general. Just like society, no one likes to work for a toxic boss. You may get encouraged once to prove him wrong, but if the guy belittles you every week, you're more likely to resign and a similar thing is happening with him at Spurs
The game management is obvious and easy to explain. His tactics worked when it was just 4-5 players doing the attacking. Now you see 7 attackers attacking and hence more goals as well. No matter how much you park the bus, you're more likely to concede now than you were 15 years ago. He really needs to stop this tactic where is sides stop attacking after getting the 1st goal.
As far as man management is concerned, I don't think siege mentality works as well in the current generation. Negative reinforcement, us vs them, while a decent way of encouraging people, just doesn't work on our generation, and that has a lot to do with how society has developed in general. Just like society, no one likes to work for a toxic boss. You may get encouraged once to prove him wrong, but if the guy belittles you every week, you're more likely to resign and a similar thing is happening with him at Spurs
That's a load of nonsense. About 85% of Spurs fans didn't want him from the very start - I was in small minority that actually was happy with him coming. Most Spurs fans would be happy to see him leave now - there is not much of a split anymore at all really. You guys seem to have a really odd obsession with ex-managers which I'm very glad to say we don't. We all loved Poch but he's gone now and we wish him well - will be the same when Jose leaves. You guys are so bitter it's weird.
If yesterday was a precursor to the CC final against City then he's finished and may as well start thinking about his next move.
He needs Kane/Son/Bale to be ridiculously efficient and City to fluff chances.
He needs Kane/Son/Bale to be ridiculously efficient and City to fluff chances.
I literally said in the second half of the post it will probably be different for you? We've got much higher standards than Spurs when it comes to managers, why would you have anything against Poch? Obviously you don't. There's bitterness towards Jose. That's it, because he was a horrid misery. No one with sense has it in for LVG, or Moyes.
Jermaine Jenas was scathing of Mourinho tactics in his BBC article. Its straightjacket football for his forwards against bigger teams. Give Bielsa a front four of Son, Bale, Kane and Moura and they would all be into double digits for goals and assists.
Said it before, Serie A is the natural home for Mourinho and his straightjacket football.
Said it before, Serie A is the natural home for Mourinho and his straightjacket football.
I don't think Bale will last even a month under Bielsa. He will breakdown easily.
It's funny how the Spurs squad is being criticised.
They have two world-class players in attack in Son and Kane. The latter may probably win POTY. Along with Bale, Dele Alli, Moura - all good players, with Bergwijn and Lamela for depth. That is probably the second best attacking depth in the league, going forward.
They're not bad in defence. Lloris is still a good keeper and he has ex-United transfer targets in Dier, Alderweireld ahead of him, with a tenacious PEH shielding. Midfield isn't halfbad either, especially once Lo Celso is back.
I'd argue that on paper, they have a much better squad than we do - Mourinho said that himself.
He's lowered the bar and turned the blame on the players, as usual. He's the reason they're underperforming despite Kane producing numbers better than Bruno.
They have two world-class players in attack in Son and Kane. The latter may probably win POTY. Along with Bale, Dele Alli, Moura - all good players, with Bergwijn and Lamela for depth. That is probably the second best attacking depth in the league, going forward.
They're not bad in defence. Lloris is still a good keeper and he has ex-United transfer targets in Dier, Alderweireld ahead of him, with a tenacious PEH shielding. Midfield isn't halfbad either, especially once Lo Celso is back.
I'd argue that on paper, they have a much better squad than we do - Mourinho said that himself.
He's lowered the bar and turned the blame on the players, as usual. He's the reason they're underperforming despite Kane producing numbers better than Bruno.
Pretty sure I was guilty of this, in my defence I thought we were going to have a rubbish season and I was praying, almost desperate, that anyone but Liverpool would win the league
I agree, I wouldn't even go that far in saying the PL/CL, some on here would sack the manager for a draw or a 1-0 win where we spent 10 mins just seing out the result.
I was hoping for City win as they were the only team capable of putting consistent results, well I shouldn't have, didn't think after 30 games we would be closest to them.Pretty sure I was guilty of this, in my defence I thought we were going to have a rubbish season and I was praying, almost desperate, that anyone but Liverpool would win the league
We were all desperate for liverpool not to win the leaguePretty sure I was guilty of this, in my defence I thought we were going to have a rubbish season and I was praying, almost desperate, that anyone but Liverpool would win the league
Surely for Mourinho to salvage his job he now has to win the Europa League?
A League cup won't be enough right ? @balaks
A League cup won't be enough right ? @balaks
I'd be shocked if it was anything other than a very minor 0-5%, which isn't really a surprise at all because there's exceptions for almost every rule in life.
That and the fact everyone prefers a certain style of football. What used to be a Jose masterclass has now become park the bus.
Unfortunately, this only works if you are an underdog.
I thought he’d do a lot better than he has, he has some fantastic players at Tottenham. They’ve got quality and they’ve got a solid spine, he was never going to be able to do as well as City have this season but having them as low as they are is surely a failure.
Both squads should be doing a lot better than they are and both managers are underachieving.
I couldn't stand the park the bus football - definitely more preference than anything based in science in fairness, but yeah. Much more is expected when managing one of the giants (fallen giants at this point
).Yes I think that is fair to say. Winning the League cup but failing to get top 4 or not getting champions league qualification via Europa League and he's gone in my opinion.
The problem is that all the scenarios in which they don't make Champions League are also scenarios in which the financial situation is pretty dire, which is likely to decrease Levy's appetite to take the financial hit for sacking Mourinho and also decrease the attractiveness of the position to potential new managers, who surely wouldn't be given much of a budget.
If things get really bad, he will be gone because there isn't any choice. But I think there are definitely some intermediate range outcomes where there is no CL football but he keeps his job because the alternatives just aren't very appealing and inertia is strong.
If things get really bad, he will be gone because there isn't any choice. But I think there are definitely some intermediate range outcomes where there is no CL football but he keeps his job because the alternatives just aren't very appealing and inertia is strong.
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