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Is set to be agreed this afternoon.




I'm not sure what to make of this, more diluting of the game in favour of the bigger clubs.
 
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Is set to be agreed this afternoon.




I'm not sure what to make of this, more diluting of the game in favour of the bigger clubs.
just adds an extra few boring games to the league phase.

for the past decade it’s only been the last game of the group that has generally been interesting.

It’s only when the knockout phase kicks in, that it gets exciting.
 

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Goes against what many fans want

The greed of the big clubs, us included, will be their eventual downfall
 

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Nothing wrong with the current format. This is more boring games in the initial stage & protecting the “big” teams with things like their “wildcard” idea.
 

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It's just UEFA trying to undercut the need/desire for a rival European super league. Does anyone really want to watch a massively expanded group stage?

The 'wildcard' is just there to ensure that if Real/Barca/Bayern/Juve have a bad year domestically, they still play Champions League football in the following season.

Probably means the end of the League Cup, too, sadly.
 

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This will come in, fail miserably and be rolled back about 4/5 years later.

Shit idea that amazingly could have been far far worse.
 

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Nothing wrong with the current format. This is more boring games in the initial stage & protecting the “big” teams with things like their “wildcard” idea.
The CL in it's current format is boring and predictable. Big teams generally get an easy ride to the knockouts and like most cup competitions it mostly isn't worth watching until late into the knockouts.

Big teams want this because there's more money the deeper you go.

Just feck it all off and have a league format with relegation and promotion. Every game is blockbuster then. Matchday 1 Juventus vs Bayern, Madrid vs United etc.

Everyone gets equal prize money and the winners get the revenue boost that comes from winning the competition.
 

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It's a disgrace, particularly the wild card format.
A team could have a horrific domestic season, be out of Europe early and still get CL football, that just isn't right.
 

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I don't know. All I've ever known is the current format. Yes you get some boring groups but the group United had was far from boring. The group containing Real Madrid, Inter and Gladbach wasn't boring either. The wildcard idea is a disgrace. If you can't earn a spot in the Champions League by either winning the comp or your league position, tough.
 

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Prioritising a more boring format based on the money it will make them initially?
Is the format more boring? CL only tends get interesting at the knockouts as it stands currently.

Change isn't necessarily bad.
 

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just adds an extra few boring games to the league phase.

for the past decade it’s only been the last game of the group that has generally been interesting.

It’s only when the knockout phase kicks in, that it gets exciting.
If you support a particular team you can watch their game and if you don't there's always a group of death or two, where every game is meaningful or that one game on any given matchday where two top sides clash. Just take Basaksehir vs United as an example. Usually a game no one would bother to watch, but because of the context of the group it was probably the most talked about game of that week.
 

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the easiest way to make the group stages of the champions league more interesting is to do away with seeding all together.

imagine a group of barca, real, us and city.

it would be awesome
 
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If you support a particular team you can watch their game and if you don't there's always a group of death or two, where every game is meaningful or that one game on any given matchday where two top sides clash. Just take Basaksehir vs United as an example. Usually a game no one would bother to watch, but because of the context of the group it was probably the most talked about game of that week.
that game might have been talked about, but no one other than the fans of those teams would have watched it.

I know it’s more than 20 years ago, but when we had a group of Bayern, Barca and United with only one automatic qualifier - each game was genuinely important.

adding more teams to a group stage will most likely result in more meaningless games and dead rubber matches.

I’m not resistant to change, but it appears to be less about the competition, rather than to placate bigger clubs.
 

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Group stage is wank anyway. Thanks for making it even longer.

If you support a particular team you can watch their game and if you don't there's always a group of death or two, where every game is meaningful or that one game on any given matchday where two top sides clash. Just take Basaksehir vs United as an example. Usually a game no one would bother to watch, but because of the context of the group it was probably the most talked about game of that week.
I find a lack of tension in the group stages. I probably havent watched them properly for ages. Even when we've been involved it's not been the same interest as with PL games. Maybe I've just got CL fatigue.
 

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It's important to remember it used to be just a knockout and it changed in the early 90s. People hated the idea of the group stages then, but people got used to us. In 1997 it transformed again with multiple entrants per country. People hated that, but got used to it.

Change happens. People usually dislike change, but they get used to it!
 

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Return to the old European Cup format without any seeding would be the best way to go. High stakes from the get go.
 

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More games in a group stage bad, it's just enough right now. Thinking back to the days or two group stages is galling.

No people don't get used to things, the two stages were canned for the crap they were. Padding the early stages with more games just means a longer wait until it gets interesting.
 

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They got their way with expanding the euros. Got their way with expanding the World Cup. Now getting their way with expanding the CL. Except this is genuinely a dredful idea.
A far better proposal could have been adding four teams and make it six groups of six, top two go through and best third placed teams. Then cut out home and away legs for knockouts and do straight one off cup ties until the final.

Essentially if you win your first 4/5 games you’ve probably qualified.
Meaning you have six more meaningless games. With a massively congested schedule, I’d expect a lot of teams to send second strings out for the final 3/4 games thus causing dilution and games nobody wants to see anyway.

From a personal view point, can’t say I’m too bothered. I think the CL lost its spark years ago. It going over to BT and being removed form terrestrial didn’t sit right with me. I struggle to watch CL games these days. I don’t mind a change but for the good and not transparent shit like this which is purely so clubs like Man United get multiple extra chances to get to knockouts. I genuinely loath the people running our club.
 

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I don't think the model resolves any of the biggest issues affecting the CL. It's simply about fattening the pie, but it's still a stodgy pie that most neutrals will struggle to get enthused about until the Spring. And access into a relatively closed shop is hardly helped by using two of the extra spots for 'wild cards' - i.e. those elite clubs who have made an arse of their season - which is nauseating from any sporting perspective.
 

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Would be better doing champions qualifying automatically and rest having to qualify and jst luck of draw eg if atletico win Spanish league could have Barcelona v Real Madrid for qualifying same with group stage...... group a -

Barcelona
Chelsea
Man City
Bayern Munich

So 2 teams will be going out and would stop the same teams getting to the latter stages, as it is the now, you can pretty much guarantee who’s getting out the groups.
 
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They got their way with expanding the euros. Got their way with expanding the World Cup. Now getting their way with expanding the CL. Except this is genuinely a dredful idea.
A far better proposal could have been adding four teams and make it six groups of six, top two go through and best third placed teams. Then cut out home and away legs for knockouts and do straight one off cup ties until the final.

Essentially if you win your first 4/5 games you’ve probably qualified.
Meaning you have six more meaningless games. With a massively congested schedule, I’d expect a lot of teams to send second strings out for the final 3/4 games thus causing dilution and games nobody wants to see anyway.

From a personal view point, can’t say I’m too bothered. I think the CL lost its spark years ago. It going over to BT and being removed form terrestrial didn’t sit right with me. I struggle to watch CL games these days. I don’t mind a change but for the good and not transparent shit like this which is purely so clubs like Man United get multiple extra chances to get to knockouts. I genuinely loath the people running our club.
not sure about your last sentence...

But the rest I agree with. It’s just creating lots of meaningless games. As soon as clubs start sending out the youngsters, then it’s all over.
 

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Would be better doing champions qualifying automatically and rest having to qualify and jst luck of draw eg if atletico win Spanish league could have Barcelona v Real Madrid for qualifying same with group stage...... group a -

Barcelona
Chelsea
Man City
Bayern Munich

So 2 teams will be going out and would stop the same teams getting to the latter stages, as it is the now, you can pretty much guarantee who’s getting out the groups.
The whole point should be the best teams playing each other
 

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I'd honestly rather they just went back to champions being in the CL and 2nd + 3rd going in to the UEFA Cup, and bring back the CWC.

As soon as they started expanding the places for the CL, they killed the second and third tier European competitions.
 

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Personally I like the old European cup, UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup formats. I'd love a return to non seeding, non country restricted 2-legged knock outs all the way through to a single legged final at a neutral venue.
 

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I'd honestly rather they just went back to champions being in the CL and 2nd + 3rd going in to the UEFA Cup, and bring back the CWC.

As soon as they started expanding the places for the CL, they killed the second and third tier European competitions.
That is true
 

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I said it in the other thread, but 36 -> 24 after 10 games is a complete joke. What is the point of playing 10 games if you are only going to remove 12/ out of 36 teams.

For comparison, the NFL goes from 32->12 after 16 games.

There are a lot of problems with this new idea.
 

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They should change the name back to the European Cup. Only champions of a league should go straight in that way every one else has to qualify. Not fair when the bigger leagues have multiple entrants when only one is a champion and smaller leagues champions’ have to go through 3/4 rounds of qualifying.
 

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All this talk of only champions getting in is very cute, but tv networks and the people that matter don't want just City in the CL. They'd have the traditional big four plus City in it every year if they could.
 

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The only change they should have made to the Champions League was when the last 8 qualified from the last 16 they should have left it as a knockout style tournament. Don't know about anyone else here but the games were much better like the Lyon-City, Barcelona-Bayern games etc last season

It gives the lesser teams a much better change of surprise then over a two-legged game