The treatment on here of Marcus Rashford

[Threesus]

This thread is going to go to extremes every match day.

I think none in this squad should be immune from criticism, but at the same time, people make it seem like he is a championship player at best. Does he have weaknesses? Yes. Does he need to iron out those? Yes. Are we a better team with him in the 11? Yes. For now, let’s leave it at that.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Dont think he's that poor, ball retention as a wide forward with our current team is just very much useless. Him passing the ball back to Shaw and Fred does nothing for our play.

 

[Threesus]

“eh Marcus maybe try and pass the odd time instead”

silence....

But who should he pass it to? Back to Shaw. To Dan James , who himself was running into traffic or turning back and passing it to AWB or Greenwood, who was doing one stepover too many before getting his shot blocked.

he is spamming those dribbles/ being more selfish because none of our other attackers( except Bruno) are carrying their weight. And because our 250k/week No 9 has taken the entire year off. I would rather someone try something than not try at all.

there was nothing coming from the midfield yesterday or from other attackers, which has been the case for sometime now, so I wonder what he should have done.

 

[Ali Dia]

But who should he pass it to? Back to Shaw. To Dan James , who himself was running into traffic or turning back and passing it to AWB or Greenwood, who was doing one stepover too many before getting his shot blocked.

he is spamming those dribbles/ being more selfish because none of our other attackers( except Bruno) are carrying their weight. And because our 250k/week No 9 has taken the entire year off. I would rather someone try something than not try at all.

there was nothing coming from the midfield yesterday or from other attackers, which has been the case for sometime now, so I wonder what he should have done.

Check out my long post a few posts up. I would only be repeating myself. I think our forwards and possibly even the whole team would be doing better overall if Rashford mixed it up.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He's better than so many of the players the Caf have fawned over, over the past few years. His numbers are great.

 

[Doracle]

Check out my long post a few posts up. I would only be repeating myself. I think our forwards and possibly even the whole team would be doing better overall if Rashford mixed it up.

So it isn’t Martial and Greenwood who are performing vastly worse than last season, it’s our forward with the most goals and the most assists who is preventing them from fulfilling their potential? Honestly, the lengths people go to in order to back up some arguments baffles me.

 

[gottho]

Tbh, he is carrying an injury, so he is doing exceptional well in his current circumference

 

[AltiUn]

Can't wait to make this same thread for Greenwood too, a shocking state of support at times.

Definitely, considering Greenwood got 17 in his debut campaign I'm surprised how quickly patience for him evaporated, he's on 23 United goals at 19 which is a very impressive return whatever way you want to look at it.

 

[Ali Dia]

So it isn’t Martial and Greenwood who are performing vastly worse than last season, it’s our forward with the most goals and the most assists who is preventing them from fulfilling their potential? Honestly, the lengths people go to in order to back up some arguments baffles me.

So after reading everything I wrote that’s all you can come up with in reply?

It’s universally accepted that our play isn’t easy on the eye or fluid. Everything we do in an attacking sense is to accommodate Rashford or it goes through Rashford at some point. He and Bruno have total creative freedom. He’s also our laziest player by some distance. Our other forwards might actually have something to work with if Rashford gave them the ball on the counter the odd time or won a tackle high up and sent one of them through. They might even have a few more assists if he’d make more runs into dangerous areas instead of waiting for it in the same position over and over. Our other forwards are his backing band currently. They also always have to press defend and track back. Does that account for their form falling off a cliff? No but all these graphs and charts with the top scoring and assisting players are forgetting one thing. Every other player on the list above Rashford is scoring more in CL not the EL. At the moment we are battling for the EL for the last 2 seasons. that’s the standard that Rashford as our main danger and the rest of our players are currently setting for better or worse. It’s not Rashford fault but he’s as much part of the issue as anyone else

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Way too inconsistent. If we want to get to the very top he can't be a regular. For me he's a Nani level player.

24 goals last season
20 so far this season and counting.

Stop talking nonsense. He's easily our most consistent forward.

 

[shamans]

24 goals last season
20 so far this season and counting.

Stop talking nonsense. He's easily our most consistent forward.

If Nani 2009-2013 was in this squad I think he'd have similar output. Rashford had also , and to some extent still, been given a key role in the squad as our talisman. Focussing on jut goals without context is not how I judge players. Like I said, he's a very good player for us but if we ever want to get to the heights of having forwards such as Rooney, Ronaldo, RVP, Van Nisterlooy, Giggs etc he's far from that.

 

[jackal&hyde]

So after reading everything I wrote that’s all you can come up with in reply?

It’s universally accepted that our play isn’t easy on the eye or fluid. Everything we do in an attacking sense is to accommodate Rashford or it goes through Rashford at some point. He and Bruno have total creative freedom. He’s also our laziest player by some distance. Our other forwards might actually have something to work with if Rashford gave them the ball on the counter the odd time or won a tackle high up and sent one of them through. They are his backing band currently. They also have to defend and track back. Does that account for their form falling off a cliff? No but all these graphs and charts with the top scoring and assisting players are forgetting one thing. Every other player on the list above Rashford is scoring more in CL not the EL. At the moment we are battling for the EL for the last 2 seasons. that’s the standard that Rashford as our main danger and the rest of our players are currently setting for better or worse. It’s not Rashford fault but he’s as much part of the issue as anyone else

That is probably the worst post I have ever seen. That includes one word posts and nonsense while drunk from some. This post is the worst.

Rashford is not only one of the best goal scorers for this team and in the league but one of the best in Europe for his position. He is fecking incredible.

One of the best performers, not even yet 24, but one of the "issue". Incredible!

 

[Nou_Camp99]

If Nani 2009-2013 was in this squad I think he'd have similar output. Rashford had also , and to some extent still, been given a key role in the squad as our talisman. Focussing on jut goals without context is not how I judge players. Like I said, he's a very good player for us but if we ever want to get to the heights of having forwards such as Rooney, Ronaldo, RVP, Van Nisterlooy, Giggs etc he's far from that.

Nani was a quality player. He'd walk into the team now no question. Don't think he was anywhere near as good of a goalscorer as Rashford is though or as productive for us. I'm sure the stats back that up too.

I genuinely think a lot of our fans don't really grasp that there's different ways of playing football. Everyone seems to think Rashford is rubbish because he's a bit carless with the ball at times. Not every player or team play like Man City do where giving the ball away more than once per game is frowned upon. We play a game more like Liverpool where we try to be more direct with our forwards rather than passing it around for an hour like City do. You're going to lose the ball more playing the way we do.

 

[Ali Dia]

24 goals last season
20 so far this season and counting.

Stop talking nonsense. He's easily our most consistent forward.

What about Lukaku? He was getting similar numbers, better in the league I think. Both are our main striker. Both kill promising moves for fun.

That is probably the worst post I have ever seen. That includes one word posts and nonsense while drunk from some. This post is the worst.

Rashford is not only one of the best goal scorers for this team and in the league but one of the best in Europe for his position. He is fecking incredible.

One of the best performers, not even yet 24, but one of the "issue". Incredible!

Hahaha your reply is utter tripe. Best in Europe! In the world! Nice one. Second season running in the EL. incredible. Good job he’s carrying us on his back singlehandedly

 

[youmeletsfly]

He ain't that bad but he ain't that good either.
The amount of times he receives a pass in a good position, sticks his head into the ground and tries to dribble past a million players is mind boggling.

He's a tidy player when on form, but boy he's useless for 70% of the game. If he would iron the decision making and stop shoving his head into the ground he'd be a great player.

 

[simplyared]

Everybody trashed Lukaku because he got goals but his play wasn’t good enough and he broke down promising moves for fun supposedly. So we cut an 80 million pound asset free and don’t replace it. Fair enough. Rashford is getting some goals but his overall play is horrible. He’s absolutely killing us in the buildup over and over again making the exact same mistake on repeat game after game and for seasons now. He stays forward all the time and does absolutely nothing defensively or in the press. He starts on the left wing where you’re supposed to press and track
but he’s actually our striker which means we are playing an unbalanced system to accommodate him in the first place.

With his endless dribbling when there are other options on but some fans still want to delude themselves thinking oh it’s still ok if it comes off every so often. What’s considered a success in this case 1 in every 30 attempts? Is 20 goal ‘involvements’ really enough for Uniteds main striker when we are in the EL? I would argue we could be killing teams off earlier and scoring a lot more if Rashford passed the ball even the odd time. It might actually make his dribbling a little less predictable at the end of the day. People going on about if Pep had Rashford? If Pep had Rashford he’d be dropped if he kept mindlessly dribbling and losing the ball every time he got it. So he wouldn’t be playing these days for a start. He’d also have to track back an awful lot more that’s for sure. He might not be playing injured for 2 seasons or whatever it it is now but it wouldn’t be the plain sailing a lot of you seem to think. It’s not bad management. It’s the player. Ole is giving him total freedom to express himself and much less defensive work than any other winger in the league and this is what he’s giving him back, for whatever reason.

Last night he tried dribbling in our own half and was dispossessed and they had a promising counter. Another time he absolutely blasted a ball at Bruno in a harmless position around half way that set up another counter attack for them. That’s just gash sloppy play at any level. Then the fact he wasted literally every other touch of the ball apart from the goal? Tell me if that was Lukaku you wouldn’t be screaming at the screen. You would. You certainly wouldn’t have threads on here about the mistreatment of Lukaku and fans sneering at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Attempting a Cruyff turn in the box with his teammates all around him? Then a great route one goal. If our defenders did that there would total rage. I like Rashford lads but you have your head in the clouds acting like he’s some plucky underdog and these performances are classy enough for a 200k a week player who is probably earning more than the whole team he was playing against last night. Top red it all you want. If you want Rashford to make the jump and actually become one of the worlds best players and not another PL hype job AND you also want to see United improve then he still needs to improve on his decision making and work rate. End of story.

Don't judge him on last nights performance. Yes he was fecking terrible but could you not see it wasn't a fit Rashford we were watching?? I studied him out there last night, because it was me who started this thread. It was painful watching him. To make it even worse we were playing a team of thugs so sending out a 30% fit Rashford was crazy and imo totally fecking irresponsible from our manager.

 

[jackal&hyde]

What about Lukaku? He was getting similar numbers, better in the league I think. Both are our main striker. Both kill promising moves for fun.


Hahaha your reply is utter tripe. Best in Europe! In the world! Nice one. Second season running in the EL. Good job he’s carrying us on his back singlehandedly

That's me sorted then.

Back in the real World.

 

[shamans]

Nani was a quality player. He'd walk into the team now no question. Don't think he was anywhere near as good of a goalscorer as Rashford is though or as productive for us. I'm sure the stats back that up too.

I genuinely think a lot of our fans don't really grasp that there's different ways of playing football. Everyone seems to think Rashford is rubbish because he's a bit carless with the ball at times. Not every player or team play like Man City do where giving the ball away more than once per game is frowned upon. We play a game more like Liverpool where we try to be more direct with our forwards rather than passing it around for an hour like City do. You're going to lose the ball more playing the way we do.

I'm not sure how his inconsistency has to do with not understanding his game. Being careless is being careless. I'm not talking about the high risk moves he makes but general carelessness, missing easy passes and chances and running into walls of defense way too often.

Still I think of him as a Nani level player, and yes Nani was quality as is Rashford. He's just not as good as some people think. Nani I think in the same team would be as good a goalscorer (and as consistent)

 

[Ali Dia]

I'm not sure how his inconsistency has to do with not understanding his game. Being careless is being careless. I'm not talking about the high risk moves he makes but general carelessness, missing easy passes and chances and running into walls of defense way too often.

Still I think of him as a Nani level player, and yes Nani was quality as is Rashford. He's just not as good as some people think. Nani I think in the same team would be as good a goalscorer (and as consistent)

Totally agree.

 

[Ali Dia]

Don't judge him on last nights performance. Yes he was fecking terrible but could you not see it wasn't a fit Rashford we were watching?? I studied him out there last night, because it was me who started this thread. It was painful watching him. To make it even worse we were playing a team of thugs so sending out a 30% fit Rashford was crazy and imo totally fecking irresponsible from our manager.

Its not just last night though is it? That’s what he’s been like in almost every game since March last year. It’s painful when you start a call out thread like this and then he turns in that performance, I agree. That’s what the fans who are speaking up are seeing every week and there’s no harm in calling it as it is. Goals go a long way to masking his current shortcomings on and off the ball but if he wants to actually be one of the best CL players he’s still got a long way to go. I agree getting fit would be a good start but how long is that excuse rolling on for now? It’s well over a year now.

 

[DoomSlayer]

So after reading everything I wrote that’s all you can come up with in reply?

It’s universally accepted that our play isn’t easy on the eye or fluid. Everything we do in an attacking sense is to accommodate Rashford or it goes through Rashford at some point. He and Bruno have total creative freedom. He’s also our laziest player by some distance. Our other forwards might actually have something to work with if Rashford gave them the ball on the counter the odd time or won a tackle high up and sent one of them through. They might even have a few more assists if he’d make more runs into dangerous areas instead of waiting for it in the same position over and over. Our other forwards are his backing band currently. They also always have to press defend and track back. Does that account for their form falling off a cliff? No but all these graphs and charts with the top scoring and assisting players are forgetting one thing. Every other player on the list above Rashford is scoring more in CL not the EL. At the moment we are battling for the EL for the last 2 seasons. that’s the standard that Rashford as our main danger and the rest of our players are currently setting for better or worse. It’s not Rashford fault but he’s as much part of the issue as anyone else

Your post is absolutely clueless. Imagine hating our best attacker so much, couldn't be me.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I'm not sure how his inconsistency has to do with not understanding his game. Being careless is being careless. I'm not talking about the high risk moves he makes but general carelessness, missing easy passes and chances and running into walls of defense way too often.

Still I think of him as a Nani level player, and yes Nani was quality as is Rashford. He's just not as good as some people think. Nani I think in the same team would be as good a goalscorer (and as consistent)

 

[Ali Dia]

Your post is absolutely clueless. Imagine hating our best attacker so much, couldn't be me.

I don’t hate Rashford as I’ve said many times. He frustrates me and it’s ok to say why. He’s our top scorer 2 seasons in the EL as our main man. It’s still very far away from where we need to be. He could still improve but it doesn’t look like he’s changing anything about his game at all.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I'm not sure how his inconsistency has to do with not understanding his game. Being careless is being careless. I'm not talking about the high risk moves he makes but general carelessness, missing easy passes and chances and running into walls of defense way too often.

Still I think of him as a Nani level player, and yes Nani was quality as is Rashford. He's just not as good as some people think. Nani I think in the same team would be as good a goalscorer (and as consistent)

I don't put Rashford up with Mbappe and co if that's what you're getting at. However he's quite easily our best forward and doesn't deserve the stick he gets. He's playing with a bad injury and has outscored Martial n Cavani combined. That just shows how good he is.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I don’t hate Rashford as I’ve said many times. He frustrates me.

I can see, you are acting like a scorned ex-girlfriend.

 

[Ali Dia]

I can see, you are acting like a scorned ex-girlfriend.

yeah or I’m a fan of the club more than any particular players, he’s our main attacking player and we’ve been stuck in the EL for 2 years. I’d rather we were successful than Rashford had to carry us on his back and we were shite. Pretty simple stuff

 

[DoomSlayer]

yeah or I’m a fan, he’s our main attacking player and we’ve been stuck in the EL for 2 years. I’d rather we were successful than Rashford had to carry us on his back and we were shite. Pretty simple stuff

So it's his fault? If we played Dan James or Amad Diallo instead of Rashford, we would be in 1st place and we would be the ones beating Bayern Munich 3-2 in the CL quarter-finals?

 

[KW2006]

A good player. His pace and courage are admirable. And he can finish some cool goals. But as a center forward he cannot retain the ball and get others into play (Martial is better than him in this aspect, but still not good enough). As a wide player he is not skillful and versatile enough (just see Sterling/Sane in similar position), and decision-making is one of his biggest weakness.

Maybe he should learn from Vardy as a role model.

 

[Ali Dia]

So it's his fault? If we played Dan James or Amad Diallo instead of Rashford, we would be in 1st place and we would be the ones beating Bayern Munich 3-2 in the CL quarter-finals?

If Rashford mixed it up the odd time there’s no telling where we’d be or how productive the other attackers might have been. We will never know because he does the same thing every time he gets on the ball in a promising position.. Great he’s the stand out player in a team that’s miles behind and in the EL, he’s the least of our worries. No real need for him to improve or tweak aspects of his game then at all? People are so precious about certain players. It’s weird! Your swear he’d just singlehandedly won us the treble the way some of you are going on about him

 

[Nou_Camp99]

yeah or I’m a fan of the club more than any particular players, he’s our main attacking player and we’ve been stuck in the EL for 2 years. I’d rather we were successful than Rashford had to carry us on his back and we were shite. Pretty simple stuff

We've played in the CL in 2 of the last 3 seasons tbf and Rashford has been a big contributor to us getting there.

He's not perfect but he's better than a past his best injury prone Cavani, a ridiculously inconsistent and sulky Martial and Dan James any day of the weak. And he's currently much better than Mason too.

 

[DoomSlayer]

If Rashford mixed it up the odd time there’s no telling where we’d be or how productive the other attackers might have been. We will never know because he does the same thing every time he gets on the ball in a promising position.. Great he’s the stand out player in a team that’s miles behind, the least of our worries. No real need for him to improve or tweak aspects of his game then at all? People are so precious about certain players. It’s weird!

There is always room for improvement, doesn't give you the right to harass or disrespect our iconic youth product Marcus Rashford, who will inspire the next few generations with his story and journey through the academy and first team.

Instead of sticking up for our own, you guys keep twisting the knife in. And I find that quite pathetic.

 

[Ali Dia]

We've played in the CL in 2 of the last 3 seasons tbf and Rashford has been a big contributor to us getting there.

He's not perfect but he's better than a past his best injury prone Cavani, a ridiculously inconsistent and sulky Martial and Dan James any day of the weak. And he's currently much better than Mason too.

Totally. We need to spend. I agree he’s the least of our worries but he shouldn’t be above putting in some defensive work or tweaking his game. He’s been so poor when it comes to finding team mates or making runs. The one time he made a good run last night he was spotted. Nice goal. Great pass.

There is always room for improvement, doesn't give you the right to harass or disrespect our iconic youth product Marcus Rashford, who will inspire the next few generations with his story and journey through the academy and first team.

Instead of sticking up for our own, you guys keep twisting the knife in. And I find that quite pathetic.

Twisting the knife? Come on man its ok He’s one of the highest paid players in the county, I’m sure he’s doing great without all you guys defending his honour You’d swear we were Granada the way you are going on. He could still be a lot better in certain aspects of his game and is this not a football forum where you can say if you didn’t particularly enjoy a performance and why or point out where a player can still improve? If that’s twisting the knife then what’s the point in having any discussion that you don’t agree with?

Hopefully when he’s fit again and we get more quality around him he’ll use it instead of taking the tunnel vision option every single time. If he doesn’t he may end up dropping in importance to the manger if we sign good enough players who will consistently look for each other in better positions. Knowing us we probably won’t sign anyone but I think if we are fully reliant on this version of Rashford we probably are going to struggle to win the EL despite having the most expensive squad in the competition by far. Will i celebrate if we do? You betcha but that doesn’t change the fact we are paying CL knockout money to these lads. If they get paid and hyped like they are the very best and they don’t perform or look off it for long periods then they should be open to some criticism. No knife twisting there whatsoever.

 

[shamans]

I don't put Rashford up with Mbappe and co if that's what you're getting at. However he's quite easily our best forward and doesn't deserve the stick he gets. He's playing with a bad injury and has outscored Martial n Cavani combined. That just shows how good he is.

Well I agree with that. He's better than Martial and an old Cavani of course. I see it more as he's what we got and he's good but I would pick peak sterling or sane over rash any time.

 

[shamans]

So it's his fault? If we played Dan James or Amad Diallo instead of Rashford, we would be in 1st place and we would be the ones beating Bayern Munich 3-2 in the CL quarter-finals?

You laugh at my post comparing him to Nani and now bring up Rashford being better than Dan james as some victory

 

[simplyared]

Its not just last night though is it? That’s what he’s been like in almost every game since March last year. It’s painful when you start a call out thread like this and then he turns in that performance, I agree. That’s what the fans who are speaking up are seeing every week and there’s no harm in calling it as it is. Goals go a long way to masking his current shortcomings on and off the ball but if he wants to actually be one of the best CL players he’s still got a long way to go. I agree getting fit would be a good start but how long is that excuse rolling on for now? It’s well over a year now.

If you mean he's underperformed in every game since last March then you and I are definately not on the same wavelength.

In the Brighton game he actually looked in good shape and you could see he was up for it. He'd had a break also because of the internationals which he didn't take part in of course. OK he fizzled out a bit in the 2nd half and was substituted but his performance was good imo. That's what I based my argument on and all the other games leading up to that. What I saw last night was something else which is what I explained in my previous post. He was grossly unfit and should never have come out! Not even got on the plane!

However no point you and I carrying on this discussion. I just don't share your views and evaluation of the player. Beg to disagree!

 

[shamans]

There is always room for improvement, doesn't give you the right to harass or disrespect our iconic youth product Marcus Rashford, who will inspire the next few generations with his story and journey through the academy and first team.

Instead of sticking up for our own, you guys keep twisting the knife in. And I find that quite pathetic.

What is this, China? Criticize Rashford and it's disrespect? I'm sorry we're not all constant RAWK level delusional praise

 

[Ali Dia]

You laugh at my post comparing him to Nani and now bring up Rashford being better than Dan james as some victory

Never noticed him before today. Terrible poster.

 

[Ali Dia]

In the Brighton game he actually looked in good shape and you could see he was up for it. He'd had a break also because of the internationals which he didn't take part in of course. OK he fizzled out a bit in the 2nd half and was substituted but his performance was good imo. That's what I based my argument on and all the other games leading up to that. What I saw last night was something else which is what I explained in my previous post. He was grossly unfit and should never have come out! Not even got on the plane!

I like you Simply but I can’t agree. Rashy has been playing like that for way too long now and I can’t shake the feeling our other forwards would be scoring and assisting a lot more if Rashford wasn’t losing the ball every time he gets it. I think his playing on the left but then actually being our striker unbalances us. He won’t stay up and make striker runs or lay offs but he won’t track back and press either. If we want to get to the next level we need a #9 and one of Greenwood and Rashford dropped for a more creative player or else move Mason in and buy a creative.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Never noticed him before today. Terrible poster.

You and @shamans seem like a match made in heaven. Both with one of the worst takes on the Caf, though @shamans transcends that into the General forum as well.

 

[Eternitiy]

He deserves respect.

He can be frustrating to watch at times, but it's only because we all know how talented he is. However, his numbers (goals + assists) speak for itself. And to play through injury like he does is admirable, even though I vehemently disagree with our coaching staff for making him do it.

He's an exceptional player, and we should feel proud as Manchester United fans to have him on our team.