European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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diarm

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I suppose this is the only way? All memberships holders to cancel them all for United to make them feel the immediate pain?
Cancelled yesterday. The girl on the phone said they'd had to bring more people in to help with all the calls.
 

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Alan Shearer saying they should be kicked out of the Premier League.. Try explaining that to sky. Not sure they'd be too keen to hand over the TV money to show a top of the table clash between Newcastle and Southampton.
 

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Can you explain this more as I don't watch American sports.
Not an expert myself but basically in the NBA, the worse you are as a team, the better the players you get to pick next season.

So if you know you won't be making the playoffs, you might as well finish last and get the first pick in the draft.

Also, I imagine most player bonuses are tied to the play-offs, so what's their incentive to try?
 

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I understand that and maybe I didn’t make my point clear, by alignment I meant something like places 1-2 go to SL, 3-4 to CL, 5-6 EL. It may not be feasible but it would feel a whole lot better than just expecting these SL teams hanging around their domestic leagues earning more money, resting players and not caring what position they finished.

I’m just annoyed and ranting at the sheer non caring balls of these rich people who give absolute zero fecks to absolutely anyone they are involved with, from their own staff to fans. Don’t care what mess they leave behind and are too lawyered up to be touched.

all my hopes are just on the players being against it as much as I am and hopefully taking pay cuts and playing elsewhere just to protect the support, what a dreamland ey
If that were to happen I think it will be either CL/EL or SL. So whoever finishes 1-2 in your example has to register for CL or SL, and in time the CL/EL will fade away.

But the last few days have been very emotional for everyone involved, I think i'm just in shock at the pure audacity of these teams - on one hand I applaud it (purely because I thrive off drama) on the other hand, i'm not entirely surprised that this is where football is going, it's been on the roadmap for a number of years.

One thing I will say, is that this entire debacle should hopefully take off the idealism glasses for a lot of fans - the soul of football has gone and has been gone for a while. There are people talking about how unfair it is on the managers, the players, won't somebody think of the children? etc. None of this is new quite frankly.

The storm will die down - CL & EL will go ahead this season, managers & players will continue to do their jobs & talks will continue to happen in the background and I would expect this to go ahead maybe not next season but the season after with changes to the initial plan & with agreement from respective domestic FA's and a change to the rules to allow qualification through league places - but that's me in dreamland too. ;)
 

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Alan Shearer saying they should be kicked out of the Premier League.. Try explaining that to sky. Not sure they'd be too keen to hand over the TV money to show a top of the table clash between Newcastle and Southampton.
He just doesn’t want Kane to beat his record :lol:
 

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The worst side gets the number 1 draft pick. So it ends up a race to the bottom.
That's not exactly true, currently you really have two teams that are trying to tank, Houston and Orlando. The other teams are just bad and young.
 

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If the league was hosted as an end of season event that filled the void between the World Cup and the Euros and they applied similar rules to that of the Olympics, where teams can only field a set number of "senior" players, I would be all for it and would be interesting to watch. I feel the same as 99% of fans by the way and think the whole thing is shocking.
 

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Could the owners take the clubs out of their countries?
Yes, I think they can. That would happen sooner or later. If they do, we start over. No problem. Good luck calling team Manchester United or Liverpool and playing in other countries.
 

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That's entirely irrelevant. They will face huge backlash irrelevant to what they 'have' to do, it's about what they should do.
It's incredibly relevant. They're not entitled to know anything. It would just be nice if they were involved.
This is business, this is capitalism, it's not about niceties. You wouldn't expect Apple to consult their sales consultants when they decide to buy a new company or change business practices - they agree things with their board members & legal team and all employees are expected to fall in line. This is no different.
 

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Can you explain this more as I don't watch American sports.
Once you're not really in contention for a playoff spot, the upside of losing is higher than the upside of winning. A worse record gives you a bigger chance of a high draft pick.
It's called tanking, and some teams do it on purpose for years, calling it a process. Philadelphia 76ers even made it their slogan; "Trust the process", and Joel Embiid even got the nickname "The Process" as he was/is the crown jewel supposed to take them back into contention (and have done so, tbf.). Some teams even willingly take on horrible contracts in exchange for additional draft picks, in addition to the losing on purpose.
 

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And if they're still in the super league regardless isn't there less incentive not to fix matches again?
If they fix matches in the SL then I would presume there would be a legal clause to throw them out - question is if they continue in Serie A as well and they fix matches there they'd be relegated from that league.
The SL and the PL or Serie A would be under different jurisdictions if UEFA or FIFA do not sanction the SL.
 

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Heard on the radio one of the ideas is shorter halves. They're really bending over backwards to cater to low attention span morons who'll be watching in the background while scrolling through social media.
 

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Can you explain this more as I don't watch American sports.
It's called tanking, as they are rewarded with better odds at the next year draft, if they are at the bottom of the table. So it gets really weird when 1/3 of teams don't want to win and try to loose on purpose.
 

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Can you explain this more as I don't watch American sports.
In Nba the worst place to be is in the middle. If you are a good team, you have a shot at championship. But if you are a bad team, there is a lottery every year to draft the best players coming out of college. So, the worse you are, the more ping pong balls you have in draft lottery. That's why most of the teams that do not have the chance to be competitive try to bottom out. That aims to give a chance for every single team to become competitive in cycles, provided that they are managed properly. Every now and then, that rebuilding team becomes competitive and it works. But even in the NBA the big market teams has better chance to break this cycle.

That's why those idiotic Glazers struggle to understand european football.
 
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If they fix matches in the SL then I would presume there would be a legal clause to throw them out
You expect those who fixed matches to throw themselves out for fixing matches?
- question is if they continue in Serie A as well and they fix matches there they'd be relegated from that league.
The SL and the PL or Serie A would be under different jurisdictions if UEFA or FIFA do not sanction the SL.
In my opinion it's untenable for these teams to remain in the national leagues if this goes through.
 

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Could the owners take the clubs out of their countries?
Let them. If they do that those franchises will be just a name. Us legacy fans will just start new clubs.
The game needs a revolution if us fans have a chance of taking our game back from those filthy owners.
 

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Tampa Bay Rays were rubbish for years, then eventually drafted a side that could contend.
That's not the NBA but the MLB where tanking comes from. The Rays are weird team, they are cheap and highly analytical, they rely heavily on the draft.
 
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Can you explain this more as I don't watch American sports.
The worse a teams win/loss record, the more balls they get in the draft lottery.

The draft contains the next generation of young (mostly) college players...so 'winning the lottery', or getting one of the better picks, gives you a better chance of picking up the next great talent.

Even worse than the teams tanking (deliberately losing) or who are just shit are the treadmill teams...the ones in the middle who have no chance of winning, but also no chance of finishing near the bottom. Their season is basically pointless from opening night.

The Super League format will create a lot of treadmill teams in football - both in the SL and in the domestic league where positions 2-17 are basically the same.
 

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Btw if the Queen comes out speaks against it...just imagine :lol: I think some owners will seek to exit the clubs, it will get unbearable as the world media will focus at them, not only in Britain.