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Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel
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He's the best young coach out there, will do very well with Bayern imo. His style has elevated a quite average Leipzig team to great heights. Only thing up in the air is whether or not he can deal with big personalities, that's important for coaches at the biggest clubs
I would be very surprised to see things escalate like that.
I thought Flick had only until 2022, if it's 2023 obviously that makes the necessity for a proper fee even bigger.
But, we can't force Flick into another season, at least not as our working manager (makes no sense).
But we should insist on his contract and make him unavailable for DFB if they don't do the right thing.
Then we'll get someone for the interim while Nagelsmann can set his Leipzig team up in a 1-1-8 formation and we'll see how many defeats he will last.
The delicate position of the manager will always mean transfer fees can't equal those of players. You can bench a player if he's being difficult and you don't agree to sell. It's not ideal but doable. If a manager wants out, the whole team's performance is at risk, it's not doable.
So there's also considerable risk for Leipzig in playing too much hardball. That's why I don't believe it will escalate.
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Another manager goes begging.
They are probably just jealous that Bayern can do it, while they can't. Simple as that.
I bet Bayern makes the DFB pay the fee to Leipzig in order to release Flick to them. Or at least a part of the fee.
So is Flick heading to the National team ?
What do you mean?
But if Bayern gets that much more attention then people should have noticed that they mainly purchase abroad and aren't really feeding on other german clubs?
This is the most likely outcome, yes. Everything could change though if Leipzig actually demand 30 million euros für Nagelsmann. I don't think Bayern would ever pay such a sum, especially if the DFB keeps its current course of not paying a dime for Flick. It's about money now, but everybody knows what they actually want. Both coaches want out, Nagelsmann to Bayern, Flick to DFB. Clubs would be wise to release them easily. No point in employing unmotivated coaches who want out anyways.
You need to read between the lines. The more tribal United fans in here are obsessed with Dortmund because they didn'tbgetbtheir way with Haaland, Sancho and Bellingham. They don't mean what they write nor do they care if they correct or not, it's just childish behavior.
That doesn't fit the common narrative, so people don't pay attention to these facts. People's picture of Bayern is done and it won't change. It's just too great of an explanation for Bayern's success and an easy way to simultaneously be able to talk about how bad the Bundesliga is because of Bayern's hegemony.
Edit: also, people would need to start thinking. Most people don't want to think about stuff. They want emotions and want to reassure themselves by selecting information that fits their own view. Actually critically thinking about things that you thought were given is a really hard process. Most people 20+ won't do that in their whole lifetime for most things.
The food chain really is showing itself this season.
DFB (Flick) > Bayern (Nagelsmann) > Leipzig
Dortmund (Rose) > Gladbach (Hütter) > Frankfurt
DFB (Flick) > Bayern (Nagelsmann) > Leipzig
Dortmund (Rose) > Gladbach (Hütter) > Frankfurt
Looks like it. Think this could actually be good for the national team, most players there have already worked with him and seem to like him. I wonder if he will be brining some older players back, that is if they actually still want to play for the NT.
Does Nagelsmann fit Bayern? The internal politics, outside scrutiny and the need to always win are particular, years ago I could have seen Tuchel manage Bayern but today I think that he would be a terrible fit, could this apply to Nagelsmann, what are his known flaws?
It's pretty obvious though isn't it. Bayern have been utterly dominant in German football for years. When that happens, others look on for who will be the team to challenge them.
When Dortmund got close, their 3 best players joined Bayern. Now, their main challenger is Leipzig who have average players but one of the most sought after managers in Europe and Bayern just take their manager.
At the height of the United/Arsenal rivalry, if Fergie left United, would you have expected Wenger to take his place, or Pep to join Real after he left Barca?
For a German player or manager who wants to spend his best years in Germany and play/manage at the highest level, there is one option. That makes it an uncompetitive league.
As an outsider looking in, nobody cares who Dortmund sign from other German clubs because they haven't won the league 9 years in a row.
What the hell was this Lena Gercke quote? 
Just had news on while working so wasn’t paying full attention and all I heard was him talking about her.
Just had news on while working so wasn’t paying full attention and all I heard was him talking about her.Isn't Bayern to big and under too much scrutiny to just go with an interim (lame duck) coach for one or possibly even two seasons?
-Dortmund buys Rose (Gladbach)
-Gladbach buys Hütter (Frankfurt)
-Bayern buys Nagelsmann (Leipzig) -> "Oh no the horrors, the whole league only exists to support them".... what?
I think the main issue people are highlighting is Bayern take players/managers from those that are supposed to be their biggest rivals. Of course the bigger teams can take players/managers off the smaller teams, that’s the same for all leagues. In fact it’s probably harder now in the EPL due to the money that smaller teams have (see Grealish, Rice, Zaha for proof).
Bayern may look abroad and taker fewer German players, but they will be key ones from direct rivals (not teams that are lower in the league necessarily) See Lewandowski, Hummels, Goretzka, Upamecano. Each of the times these players were bought, they were from a team competing directly with Bayern for 1st place. (I believe Shalke finished second before the signing of Goretzka?)
How many times do you see that happening in the Premier League? We took RvP off Arsenal and it was almost unbelievable at the time, even though they weren’t really competing for 1st.
We're only in the market for a manager because the internal turmoil drove our current guy away...
It might very well be that Dortmund are hypocrites and top clubs snatching up talent from the smaller domestic clubs happens everywhere.
But Gotze and Lewandowski were massive signings, and having the best club in the league snatching the best players from their biggest rival is going to raise some eyebrows. Its like if City went out and bought Rashford and Bruno
I hope so. Would be the only good thing to come out of all this.
Do they mainly purchase abroad though? You've said that twice now and I don't think you're correct at all. At best it's 50/50 but I look at their key players
Neuer - Schalke
Lewandowski - Dortmund
Gnabry - Hoffenheim
Goretzka - Schalke
Pavard - Stuttgart
They've just added Upamencano from Leipzig
Those purchased outside of Germany would be
Sane - Man City (although he's a German international so one of the few that slipped past Bayern getting straight away)
Boateng - same as above
Hernandez - Madrid
Davies - MLS
Coman - Juventus (free transfer)
Like I said at best it's 50/50
Are Muller (and a couple others I forget) still banished from the NT by Löw? I’m assuming Flick will call him straight back up once he’s in.
Kicker (usually reliable) reports that Nagelsmann already asked Leipzig for a termination of his contract with them. Leipzig is asking for around 25 million € as a fee. It is expected that a decision will be made before Friday evening, when Leipzig faces Bremen in the DFB-Pokal. Article reads like it's basically already done, just a matter of some €.
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That's a different topic, no one is arguing that Bayern aren't head and shoulders above the rest of league in terms of prestige and money or that the league is exceptionally competitive. I responded to two claim that were made, first that the Buli was happy to help Bayern dominate and that Bayern were always poaching players from their rivals both are wrong. Bayern aren't rivals with the other teams mentioned not like Real Madrid and Barcelona are so the comparison is misguided particularly when Barcelona and Real are in the same bracket in almost all criteria, Bayern also don't really operate within Bundesliga for big players, that's why people essentially mention the same three players and it should be repeated, Hummels came from Bayern, Gotze come from Bavaria and by signing Lewandowski they prevented him from strengthening CL competitors because Lewandowski was leaving Dortmund no matter what.
Regarding United, at the height of the rivalry United and Arsenal were similar clubs, Leipzig and Bayern aren't rivals, they are not equal to Bayern and it's a step up for Nagelsmann. When Arsenal lost ground, their best player left for United. United are also a poor example, we are talking about the club that used to handpick the best players in the PL from Keane, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Carrick, Rooney to prime Van Persie, United actually operated heavily within the PL. That's exactly what happens when you have money and prestige, the best local players choose you over other clubs.
Bayern dominates because they are more competent and more stable than everyone else, they don't really poach other german clubs, other german clubs and fans don't bend over for Bayern, they are simply ragdolled by Bayern and there is nothing they can do about it outside of trying to improve organically.
He's won nowt. Fraud!
Another one bites the dust.
With our luck the only available manager when Ole gets sacked will be Ryan Giggs in a jail cell
With our luck the only available manager when Ole gets sacked will be Ryan Giggs in a jail cell
Müller, Hummels, Boateng, yeah. Löw will likely bring back Müller though. Less chance for Hummels and close to zero for Boateng. Flick would probably bring back all three, when fit.
You missed a few players in the current team and no it's not 50/50 even when you back as far as 10 years ago for players like Neuer but as I said big transfers don't really come from Bundesliga,
Now you noticed that the players you mentioned don't come from rivals or even teams that were close to Bayern, they are also not confirmed players but young players with potential, only Lewandowski and Gotze could be considered as a big name playing for a current "rival". Kimmich, Neuer and Pavard were in relegation battles while the others were playing for midtable teams or in the case of Goretzka the best of a really bad bunch.
We're going to continue with Ole and watch every young talented manager just pass us by for many seasons to come. I know people will cuss me out for this because of the Ole love in, but I just don't see us winning anything of note with Ole, at all, yeah we may look good sometimes and he's obviously good with man management, but I feel like eventually if we want to keep up we're going to need a world class manager that is up and coming in the game
Yeah that's understandable I think, people don't really put much thought into it. What Dortmund managed to do two years in a row was remarkable, but what people don't realise is just how "small" of a club they still were at the time in terms of wage budget. It's simply impossible to hang on to players when you just can't afford to pay them well, regardless of who buys them in the end.
Since then Dortmund has managed to sustainably grow their budget like no other team in Europe. They've gone from just 48m Euros in wages in 2010, to over 200m in 2019.
They are not their biggest rivals, they are smaller teams, Bayern doesn't have an actual rival in Bundesliga. And you see it in the PL quite often Sterling, Adebayor, RVP, Ashley Cole, Gallas, Alexis Sanchez, Kolo Touré, Walker, Cantona, Nasri among many.
Come on then name the big players I missed? And the discussion was never about whether these players came from a rival (I assume you're limiting that to Dortmund) it was about the entire league being a feeder for Bayern which is obviously and clearly the case
Define rival? They were signed from teams that were finishing directly ahead of them (Lewandowski, Hummels, Gotze), or in second (Goretzka, Upamecano). That’s absolutely making a direct rival weaker.
8/11 that you mentioned came from Arsenal, when they were paying off a brand new stadium and City were spending a shed lid of money on average players. It’s a bit of an outlier. Even then, there’s transfers to different teams (United, City, Chelsea). We’re talking about moves to one club in Germany.
I completed your post in the quote. And no I'm not limiting it to Dortmund, the league isn't a feeder to Bayern unless you consider that Bayern signing any german/Bundesliga player means that the Buli is feeding Bayern, that's a weird point to make you wouldn't make it for United or Chelsea in the 2000s. The reality is that Bayern mainly purchase abroad and only target big players or big prospects in Germany, in general the very good/promising Bundesliga players go to Dortmund, Gladbach, Leipzig or Leverkusen when these players are good enough for massive clubs they generally go abroad with few of them joining Bayern because Bayern can actually compete financially with the likes of United, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Chelsea on the wage market.
the fact you're not listing any of these players says to me you're out of options so you'll continue just saying the same thing until I give up so well done as I am now
One thing you are right about though is what Bayern have is absolutely what United had in the late 90's early 2000's but then came Chelsea, then came City and then came extra money for everyone
That's a ponctual competitor, not a rival. To be rivals it needs to be a lasting competition which isn't the case and is actually an issue for Bundesliga. Schalke are a good example, they were midtable the year before and in a relegation battle the year after Goretzka left.
I listed them in the quote and I told you that I added the players in your quote. I even added players to your credit.
Isn't that such a meaningless thing to say though? No one can afford Bayern's wages. Man City repeatedly bought players from Arsenal when they were trying to reach the top. Chelsea bought several players from Leicester since their championship, they also bought three players including Fernando Torres from Liverpool all within a year. A year before that Liverpool were second in the league ahead of Chelsea.
Every club buys domestically, and there's no doubt Bayern is the top club in their country. But it's not exclusive to them to buy players from rivals. Counting players like Kimmich or Pavard who came from relegated Stuttgart is such a strange argument. That happens everywhere. Southampton and Everton routinely lose their players. That's just how it is.