Double/triple your money and be a Manchester United starter. Yeah no idea why he would be tempted.
Wilfred Ndidi - Leicester Player
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Apples and oranges.
Both Lampard and Sarri played him on the right of a 3 in a role making use of his insane energy levels. Almost like a Ramires type role.
Conte and now Tuchel use him like he played at Leicester and his stats per game are outrageous. He even had Bruno screaming in rage “it’s always him”.
What your trying to do is compare stats of different roles. Almost like that time Everton fans were trying to kid themselves into thinking Idrissa Gueye was superior to Kante.
This. He’s been the obvious signing for ages. Alternatively, you can pair him with Fred or McT in a double pivot when we need to be more defensively solid. Problem is, he’d cost a bloody fortune based on what Leicester sold Maguire and Chilwell for. He’s the perfect fit for the squad, but I don’t see it as economically feasible given the other holes in the squad.
Woodflop has a 'reputation' now. (He's had it basically since he took over)
Again, within the footballing world to not take advantage of him makes one look weak. It's a huge problem not ever talked about.
Him or Rice would be my dream midfield signing. His ability to cover ground and win tackles is second to none, decent in the air too and very rarely plays sloppy balls. N'Didi, Pogba and Bruno in a 3 would be unplayable.
This season, both have been playing holding roles, where they sometimes can roam forward. Gueye is worse than both. Ndidi and Kante, I honestly don’t see why Kante is better. They are both ball winners, but Ndidi, for me, is a better user of the ball.
I’m going to post some stats from this season, so bear in mind Kante and Ndidi play in a similar standard of team who are very close in the league, and Kante has played 25 games to Ndidi’s 17. This isn’t like that Van Dijk and Mustafi comparison where Mustafi came out on top in every statistic, more like the Vidic to Van Dijk.
| Ndidi | Kante | |
| Assists | 3 | 2 |
| Big chances created | 2 | 2 |
| Pass completion % | 86.7 | 86.5 |
| % Passes that go forward | 71 | 65 |
| Through balls | 1 | 0 |
| Ndidi | Kante | |
| Blocks per game | 0.47 | 0.16 |
| Interceptions per game | 2.5 | 2.16 |
| Tackles per game | 2.35 | 1.44 |
| Tackles won % | 66 | 51 |
| Clearances per game | 2.24 | 0.92 |
| Duels won per game | 2.29 | 0.64 |
Didn’t include goals because Ndidi has 1 and Kante none, so there really wasn’t any point as neither are goalscoring midfielders.
So, especially this season, these stats prove that no matter how you judge them, whether it’s watching them play or through stats, Ndidi has been superior no matter the role. Even that, they’ve played almost the same one this season, especially before Tuchel. Obviously now I’d rather buy Ndidi for United because of his age, but even if they were both 24, I’d gladly take Ndidi over Kante.
You will have the exact same issue with Ndidi as well. Leicester has a brilliant setup that works. Yes, he would be an upgrade but do you really think our issues would be resolved? No, unless we are coached to play from back or press collectively or have someone who can pass the ball from deep like Tielemans.
He's just a great ball winning midfielder. Does the job breaking up play and being an obstruction in from of the CBs, probably not going to split a defence with an amazing pass or dribble past 3 players pressing him but thats why he's so useful.
Because he does the ball winning and dirty work so your other midfielders can do the pretty stuff and know that they arent going to pay as often if they take a risk going forward and lose the ball trying to be progressive.
Because he does the ball winning and dirty work so your other midfielders can do the pretty stuff and know that they arent going to pay as often if they take a risk going forward and lose the ball trying to be progressive.
I do think things would be resolved actually, its a very simple fix. Ndidi does the defending part allowing Pogba to concentrate on getting on the ball and spreading it to the attacking players and Bruno can press high up and link up with attack as he likes to.
Its as straight forward a setup as you'll get, they would all be able to do what they're actually good at
Ndidi would probably cost you over 80 million, if you want value for money, you should buy someone young from overseas and develop them.
Otherwise we will see clones of Maguire comments about how much money was wasted because Ndidi wouldn't necessarily fit into your system.
Otherwise we will see clones of Maguire comments about how much money was wasted because Ndidi wouldn't necessarily fit into your system.
Swap with Fred anyone?
The difference is we know Ndidi is worth £80 million where as Maguire should of been nowhere near that figure.
He'd be perfect behind Pogba and Bruno but I don't think we can afford him in this current climate and under the Glazers.
Yep, I must be getting him mixed up with someone else.
Still he looks a great talent.
Prefer him over someone like Bissouma , who I'm still indifferent about.
I dont think we can afford most good players at the moment unfortunately.
The fee's will still be big and then you add on the likely obscene wages top players are on these days then its likely going to be another tough summer.
Yeah I'd rather we found the next Ndidi rather than him being our big signing
Dominated us yesterday. World class midfielder.
Wanted us to sign him for a while but I don't think it would happen.
Agreed but I think our problem with these 'project' signings is the pressure associated with playing for United and compounded by the fact that this manager and team are at a stage where they need to start seriously competing for trophies. Unless it is a Fernandesque type of signing I think it would be difficult for a 20 - 24 year old to come in an establish themselves in this team playing in such a crucial position.
I would rather we spend big on the DM, him in particular, and reap the benefits of having Pogba and Bruno as advanced No. 8s than take a 50/50 chance and still have a major structural flaw in a key position.
Nah, apparently Fred is just as good, we just play him in a bad system.
Ndidi is much better ffs. Kante is ridiculously overrated if people still think he's anywhere near the player he was. He's been poor for a long time and a-few good games won't change that. No one would have batted an eyelid had he been flogged to AC or Inter over the summer.
That’s a gigantic incentive. It’s also just the way of life in football. Successful seasons and teams like Leicester will just invariably sell to the bigger sides (for the right price of course). Even though Leicester currently quite toe-to-toe with us this season, the size of the club just can’t be ignored like that.
Happy now?!?
This one's on me.
At the beginning of the season we had lots of CB injuries & Ndidi played centre back & did not look out of place. We missed him greatly in the DM role but it's nice to have such a versatile player. I watch every game & his passing has really improved since he arrived so he is obviously receptive to coaching. Playing alongside Tielemans makes for a great combination.
Agreed.
No chance we can compete with you in terms of wages. I think we already have the highest wage / turnover ratio as it is.
Not quite true though this is the commonly held belief about him. He has 3 assists this season, which is untypical of a dm.
He’s outstanding but he’d cost too much for us.
Nobody was talking about Ndidi in December when we payed our full strength side away to Leicester, and should have won but for a late Tuanzebe OG. Ndidi didn't stand out that day when we were full strength.
There's no way we're paying 80m+ for him.
There's no way we're paying 80m+ for him.
triple the money is more than enough to tempt 99% of the players. Starter or not is irrelevant. Lots of players want to play for Man Utd.
Players have left clubs doing better for ‘heritage’ clubs before and they will do so again.
The ship has sailed on both of them though. Tielemans in particular was another obvious easy signing for us.
Is his passing good enough?
As we are finding out, thankfully we seem to be managing it in a manageable way of only letting one key player go per summer.
Rodgers has said publically now he wants us to stop selling, and my heart wants it to happen, but my head says it will need to keep happening, as it offsets our wage expenditure and also is inevitable given our situation that bigger clubs will want our players.
We have done especially well with the sale of Chilwell and Maguire, managing to sell for a lot of money whilst also maintaining quality in the positions they left.
there are plans in place to expand the stadium, they have planning permission I think, the next step is to increase commercial income, this may mean King Power no longer sponsoring the shirt and stadium for example in favour of outside companies paying high fees and maximising our sales, especially in Asia where we have a natural in to drive interest
I had no idea he was only 24. For some reason I thought he was almost 30. He's probably pretty close to the ideal player we need but he'll be far too expensive unless we for some reason prioritize that money to a DM over a RW or striker. We certainly won't be spending big money on two positions imo.
I read on swissramble that your wages turn over ratio is 105%. That's very poor. Total revenue was 150 million and total wages was around 157 million. Also IIRC, 75% of the revenue was from TV deal.
He is an excellent defensive midfielder. Positions himself just in front of the back 4 and in the middle, drops back if one of CB bombs forward. His sense of danger, tackling and interceptions in general are top level. He plays centrally with Tielemans working as a kind of free role supporting midfielder.
It's hard to rate his passing because he usually goes short, but the weight and direction is always on point. I saw him passing the ball long a few times and in my opinion it's good enough, without being spectacular. His touch is very confident and he usually makes one touch - pass.
However, he does stay on the periphery of the game most of the time. I can see half of the Redcafe moaning about him not contributing enough to the buildup play, but he would be a perfect replacement for McTominay and probably would allow us to play Pogba in midfield. He could also play as single pivot in 4-3-3.
His style is totally different to Fred and McTominay because he moves very little but stays in the right place. I would love to get him here.
It's hard to rate his passing because he usually goes short, but the weight and direction is always on point. I saw him passing the ball long a few times and in my opinion it's good enough, without being spectacular. His touch is very confident and he usually makes one touch - pass.
However, he does stay on the periphery of the game most of the time. I can see half of the Redcafe moaning about him not contributing enough to the buildup play, but he would be a perfect replacement for McTominay and probably would allow us to play Pogba in midfield. He could also play as single pivot in 4-3-3.
His style is totally different to Fred and McTominay because he moves very little but stays in the right place. I would love to get him here.
"Especially well" is an understatement. You've taken us to the cleaners and did well on the Chilwell deal. Probably your best outgoing business of all time was Drinkwater to Chelsea for 30m
Slightly offset by having that shameful release clause in Kante's deal..Btw, what's the story with Benkovic, 3 loans in 18 months? Thought he was supposed to be top potential.
Can’t stay fit, got injured at Celtic and keeps picking up injuries, if he can have a full preseason he may come back into the reckoning"Especially well" is an understatement. You've taken us to the cleaners and did well on the Chilwell deal. Probably your best outgoing business of all time was Drinkwater to Chelsea for 30m
Btw, what's the story with Benkovic, 3 loans in 18 months? Thought he was supposed to be top potential.