Protest at Old Trafford

[NK86]

Yes of course and in many ways it's absurd to compare this protest to more widespread civil injustice, authoritarian rule, colonialism etc etc. I've made the comparison because others in the thread have done so. Are you expecting the whole of England to revolt and throw the Glazers out? Not going to happen and I'm sure you don't believe that. Are you then naive enough to think that the violence of a few idiots is going to do anything to solve this problem?

Did I say anything about the whole of UK uniting or me condoning violence. Or are you now trying to put words in my mouth to deflect from the ridiculous point you made at the beginning?

You said Gandhi and used it as an example of how non-violence achieves major changes, without having the first clue of how the history of India's freedom struggle was shaped by greater freedom fighters than Gandhi.

And lastly, it was YOU who associated this with a civil rights/freedom movement and not me.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

There's still issues in the area. Merseyside police are there to assist with it. Infact you could even see them getting kitted up in the background during a report by the stadium 5 minutes ago.

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[diarm]

There's still issues in the area. Merseyside police are there to assist with it. Infact you could even see them getting kitted up in the background during a report by the stadium 5 minutes ago.

I don't doubt that. Just the idea that there are people still storming the front steps of the Lowry.

People are trying to deflect from todays message by trying to make out that fans are targeting the players or staff. Some on here are helping them for some reason.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

The fact United are worried about sending players home is depressing as feck. Players shouldn't be concerned for their safety.

 

[mitchmouse]

3 days before is no problem.
Surely you understand Mon to Thur is no different to Sat to Tue, or Sun to Wed?

The most they have is 3 options

1. Play it tomorrow (easiest choice)
2. Move it to the saturday we have free, but Liverpool have another fixture, by moving that fixture to this midweek
3. Squeeze one of our games on a day, and shoehorn it in 2 days before hand, compromising all 3 games

Option 3 I think has no chance. Option 2 disrupts a 3rd team. Option 1 makes most sense as the players can just stay in their hotel another day and go again.

I agree that tomorrow is the easiest but sorry it's not a good precedent. They've never asked anyone to play Monday Night Football and then Thursday... especially when we have to fly to Rome - that's the difference to Sat to Tues...

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The fact United are worried about sending players home is depressing as feck. Players shouldn't be concerned for their safety.

There are United fans contacting Talksport who are very unhappy with the stadium being invaded and the throwing of stuff. They are happy with the protest, but the other stuff is wrong. Suspect some are just there for a showdown with the police.

 

[Varun]

Presenter was leading him with such questions like 'surely this is not acceptable' and Carragher wasnt having any of it. Said all he saw was peacful protests, that he was a fan when he was younger, and he fully backs them and believes in them

Good stuff

 

[UnitedSofa]

The fact United are worried about sending players home is depressing as feck. Players shouldn't be concerned for their safety.

& yet some people are happy with the way this is turning out, sad and depressing day for all

 

[mitchmouse]

Souness seems to have forgotten just how the Glazers financed the deal in the place - never understood how they could borrow against the thing they were buying (put very simply, I know)

 

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[littlepeasoup]

A lot of armchair indignation on Twitter about fans protesting this game, and not Roma on Thursday which does boil my piss.

If they don't understand about how big a statement this is between two of the most famous teams in the world, playing in one of the most famous club matches in the world, I'm not sure they understand football.

 

[Sandikan]

I agree that tomorrow is the easiest but sorry it's not a good precedent. They've never asked anyone to play Monday Night Football and then Thursday... especially when we have to fly to Rome - that's the difference to Sat to Tues...

It's not ideal pal, but i've had another look, and they can't even move the Liverpool game from the weekend of the 16th May (our free weekend), as they play West Brom, who play tomorrow!

So they either move it tomorrow, or they'll have to cram it in so teams play 3 games in 6 days which would be dreadful.

They can't even move it to the midweek after the last game as the Wed has the europa final.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Absolutely. You watch every paper twist this into ‘fan hooliganism’ like Carragher is eluding to.

It’s for reasons like this that fans end up going overboard like storming the stadium today.

How do you get your voice heard and grab the attention of the leaches? You have to make statement. Unfortunately idiots are everywhere and there was no need to throw flares and bottles.

However blame the cause of it, the glazers and Sky who are all too willing to whip the fans into a frenzy over the last two weeks.

Exactly. No reasonable person would agree with what those idiots did, like throwing stuff etc. But they were obviously a minority. If it was majority of them then Old Trafford would look completely different from the inside and as we can see it's in a fine state, ready for a game if it was to be played tonight.

 

[Withnail]

@Withnail

They literally showed it on the telly, not so long ago.

There was no one there and that the crowd fecked off hours ago.

Did they all come back?

 

[Champ]

The fact United are worried about sending players home is depressing as feck. Players shouldn't be concerned for their safety.

How do we know they are concerned for their safety??
Surely it's more to do with Covid bubbles and protocols which have to be followed before every game?!

 

[mitchmouse]

There are United fans contacting Talksport who are very unhappy with the stadium being invaded and the throwing of stuff. They are happy with the protest, but the other stuff is wrong. Suspect some are just there for a showdown with the police.

real fans shouldn't be talking to Kelvin McKenzie Radio

 

[Jam]

Those are the demands of the Defund movement.

Are you illiterate? I literally said that in the post. Good grief.

 

[cyberman]

I agree that tomorrow is the easiest but sorry it's not a good precedent. They've never asked anyone to play Monday Night Football and then Thursday... especially when we have to fly to Rome - that's the difference to Sat to Tues...

We had to play Chelsea in the fa cup on monday before a EL game on Thursday

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Sure would be a shame if it happens again at the rearranged fixutre, in even greater numbers.

 

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[Tom Van Persie]

& yet some people are happy with the way this is turning out, sad and depressing day for all

There's some on here saying they've never been more proud to be a United supporter. Jesus Christ.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

A lot of armchair indignation on Twitter about fans protesting this game, and not Roma on Thursday which does boil my piss.

If they don't understand about how big a statement this is between two of the most famous teams in the world, playing in one of the most famous club matches in the world, I'm not sure they understand football.

It was always going to be this game. It has worldwide coverage.

 

[TheReligion]

They literally showed it on the telly, not so long ago.

There was no one there and that the crowd fecked off hours ago.

Did they all come back?

I think the point he's making is people have been injured today and it's still kicking off at the moment in the area. Both are true unfortunately. Idiots spoiling the genuine message behind the protest by going too far.

 

[onemanarmy]

A lot of armchair indignation on Twitter about fans protesting this game, and not Roma on Thursday which does boil my piss.

If they don't understand about how big a statement this is between two of the most famous teams in the world, playing in one of the most famous club matches in the world, I'm not sure they understand football.

Forget Twitter, there are tons of people on this forum that don't understand.

 

[mitchmouse]

A lot of armchair indignation on Twitter about fans protesting this game, and not Roma on Thursday which does boil my piss.

If they don't understand about how big a statement this is between two of the most famous teams in the world, playing in one of the most famous club matches in the world, I'm not sure they understand football.

Yes - I am going to lead a protest at the first game of the local club's under-six team next season...

 

[Tom Van Persie]

How do we know they are concerned for their safety??
Surely it's more to do with Covid bubbles and protocols which have to be followed before every game?!

Why would it be about Covid? More like they are worried their homes will be targeted.

 

[VeevaVee]

I don't understand how some people seem to condone any action so long as there is a "reason" behind it. I bet most of those people in the protest don't even care about Manutd; they just care about causing trouble. It is weird how people fall for this.

How does harassing people in their cars, vandalising property, breaking and entering, injuring police officers, throwing bottles, firing flares give these people a leg to stand on? I know people take firing fireworks and flares as a bit of a joke, but if they hit someone, it can cause severe burning. People are supporting scum to get rid of owners of a football club.

Put it into a bit of perspective: people are supporting violence and crime for the sake of football. Madness.

How do you propose making the rich and powerful change then?

 

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[Manny]

is that the same souness who once caused a riot with a flag in turkey? Bit sanctimonious of him

He's so full of shit

 

[Fox_Chrys]

Postponement bad for us, now this game will probably happen when Manchester United have sealed their spot, and Liverpool more likely to win after that.

 

[mitchmouse]

We had to play Chelsea in the fa cup on monday before a EL game on Thursday

I don't remember that - but I can guarantee I wasn't happy at the time!

 

[Bullhitter]

Fans have nothing to do with them owning the club. There were protests when we were in CL finals and winning the league every other year

And they have subsided. Some are acting like the Glazers took over the club last month. They have been leeching your club for many years.

Let's not fool ourselves that football fans have out of nowhere developed an increased moral compass that is solely responsible for these protests. I'd wager at least 50% of those at the United, Chelsea and Arsenal protests were there because it was an excuse to be unruly and anti-social and as many of them if not more were fueled by the rage against society atmosphere that has been looming large for a few years now.

 

[RUCK4444]

The fact United are worried about sending players home is depressing as feck. Players shouldn't be concerned for their safety.

Yeah I doubt they are.

 

[DarkDog]

I am sorry if someone got hurt, but let's lay the facts here.
Glazers knew there will be protest today. They just don't want to put money in. In this case they were hoping that British government would pay for security. Another case of nonivestment from Glazers.

But anybody who has said that this has gone too far today.
just peaceful protest doesnt work on Glazers.

They have taken 1,5 billion pound out of the club
Club still has 500 million pound debt which is all on Glazers
Glazers have not put 1 cent of their own money into the club
During Fergies time under Glazers, Fergie made Glazers profit on transfers.
Carrington and our Academy needs investment
And as we could all see now, Old Trafford needs investment

And the biggest problem is that Glazers dont have money to invest and they WILL NEVER PUT THEIR OWN MONEY INTO THE CLUB. they wont.
Their rules are
1) Dividends for themselves
2) Debt repayments
3) plastering over the cracks
4) bonus payments to Glazer boardmembers for good for that they did last year
5) what is left goes to other boardmembers bonus payments
6) then comes transfers
...
104) investment into the club

sorry, but time is over for peaceful protest. It doesnt work on someone who is not human

 

[Withnail]

I think the point he's making is people have been injured today and it's still kicking off at the moment in the area. Both are true unfortunately. Idiots spoiling the genuine message behind the protest by going too far.

Fair enough.

It's seemed the way it was phrased that the claim was there was still a large crowd on the steps or whatever but maybe that was my interpretation.

Hopefully, they can get a handle on the situation and everyone goes home peacefully.

 

[Judas]

Postponement bad for us, now this game will probably happen when Manchester United have sealed their spot, and Liverpool more likely to win after that.

We're still not going to take a game against Liverpool lightly, even if we've sealed 2nd.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

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[JTW95]

Has Souness blamed this on Pogba yet?

 

[FrankDrebin]

Pricks.

 

[Sandikan]

Looking at the schedule then

THUR 6 MAY Roma A
SUN 9 MAY Villa A
WED 12 MAY Leicester H
SAT/SUN 15/16 Blank, but Liverpool play West Brom (who have a game tomorrow, so can't move this fixture into the midweek TUE/WED 4/5 MAY
WED 19 MAY Fulham H
SUN 23 MAY Wolves A
WED 26 MAY Europa Final

Looks like it's tomorrow, or they have to do a horrible squeeze of 3 games in 6 days by inching one of these games on a day.