Protest at Old Trafford

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What will this change? They could try and sell the club, but to who? Another rich person. This 50 + 1 idea will never happen. Even if the government forced the sale, you would still have to pay market value for the club, so there is no getting it cheaper. Who is going to raise the $1.8 billion needed to even buy half of the club? These protests are based on a hope that you can get an all giving owner. No amount of protesting will change an owner into that.

People have some unrealistic expectations of the next owners. Some want a sugar daddy who is not only going to shell out billions (without leverage) to buy the club, but then decide to take absolutely nothing out of it, and also pay off the club's debt. You don't need just a rich person; even most of the 2,755 billionaires in the world couldn't afford to do that. Others don't want a foreign owner, so that limits it to 56 billionaires. Even amongst those who could afford it, you are going to have to find one who would have no want to take dividends etc.

The chance of finding a buyer that fits that category is actually very low. And even some of those wouldn't be considered acceptable e.g. Saudi interest.
It is tough one, as the Glazers are bad but yeah it could certainly be worse. I don’t know if a group of very rich people who want good for the club and aren’t totally reprehensible could be an answer. I think most would be fine with foreign owners if this was the case. It doesn’t sound that unrealistic, but of course the right people may just not exist.
 

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What do you suggest?
Hehe! I suggested a (non-violent) action in the early days of the Glazers and I got banned.

I think the only thing that will hurt them is money or the lack of. All supporters refusing to attend (at least) say, 10 games of the new season. And repeat this sporadically throughout next season is one possible action.
 

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Well fecking done. Hats off to everyone involved bar a bunch of idiots who crossed the line and resorted to violence. Long may the protests continue.
 

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Well fecking done. Hats off to everyone involved bar a bunch of idiots who crossed the line and resorted to violence. Long may the protests continue.
This. Hats off to Carragher who basically said exactly this as well.

Of course Sky and the press will sensationalise the actions of the few idiots. Overall I think it’s been almost the perfect way to get the worlds attention imo.
 

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Hehe! I suggested a (non-violent) action in the early days of the Glazers and I got banned.

I think the only thing that will hurt them is money or the lack of. All supporters refusing to attend (at least) say, 10 games of the new season. And repeat this sporadically throughout next season is one possible action.

Not sure. Sponsorship, broadcasting and fluffy United pillows generate more cash than gate receipts. We made more than £300m+ from broadcasting compared to over £100m through gates - pre Covid.
 

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No surprise there with the clip from ESPN. Remember, they're owned by Disney and just look at the way Disney market their films in China, in particular how they portray their black actors.

These corporations and the billionaires that own them care only about money.
 

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There's some on here saying they've never been more proud to be a United supporter. Jesus Christ.
Sad, isn't it?
It will always be some assholes. It will not take away my feelings about the protest. So proud of them. I wish I were present myself.
As a Manc who has family living near where the violence occurred, I'm glad you weren't. The less people breaking the law and causing chaos near them, the better.
 
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Make a stand by hurting the club commercially? Ensuring that we lose sponsors and our market power? Look at Blackburn Rovers and how that ended - we may end up in a similar trajectory although the probability of that is really low. If a single protest like this can descend into violence and vandalism then guess what will happen later?

I don't understand how any of this will pressurize Glazers to sell really. All this is doing is disturbing the players and the manager. Glazers will sell when they get a buyer willing to pay their price, else they will be happy to keep drawing dividends. Nothing fans do in England is going to ruffle their feathers in Florida.
Blackburn went from being a small club to a title and back to a small club.

we won plenty before the Glazers and when relegated, had the highest attendance in the country (all leagues). If we go down we'll come back
 

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The game being postponed was ultimately the best thing we could have hoped for as a fan base in terms of impact and coverage, however, i can't help but feel it's bittersweet in terms of the 'potential' impact it may have on the pitch, especially if we have to rock up at OT tomorrow as some have rumoured..

Don't get me wrong, the bigger picture is the long term prosperity of the club and we all know that will require a change of ownership. This is an important Battle in the War to seek change.

The protests were always likely to attract the odd numbnut who decided he or she would launch a bottle or two just because and although I had no problems with people entering the ground, talk of damage being caused inside is again disappointing.

A strong message and hopefully one that resonates across the Atlantic.
 
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Well fecking done. Hats off to everyone involved bar a bunch of idiots who crossed the line and resorted to violence. Long may the protests continue.
Indeed. I can't understand anyone condemning the principle of direct, non violent action, even the break in. Those fans risked arrest and a criminal record for all our sakes. That's a sacrifice for a greater cause. Anyone who was violent against people or property was entirely wrong, but the principle is laudable: this is our club and we are far more important than any owners who want money. I support their right to civil disobedience today, which wasn't done not for their own benefit but for all of us. Let's have some fecking solidarity here, which is what our club was built upon. We are FANS of this club, not just customers. There is a massive difference.
 

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I must say I am embarrassingly ignorant about this, but what are the realistic alternatives if the Glazers decide to step down? Who would have the money and the will to buy United? Or are there other alternatives?
 

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Not sure. Sponsorship, broadcasting and fluffy United pillows generate more cash than gate receipts. We made more than £300m+ from broadcasting compared to over £100m through gates - pre Covid.
Yes but it will hurt everyone who have a financial interest in the club. Sponsors and broadcasters will be looking at compensation and or court action against the club.
 

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Never been prouder to be a red tonight.

What a day, what a club.

Unbelievable turn out. Absolutely loved it.
 

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I must say I am embarrassingly ignorant about this, but what are the realistic alternatives if the Glazers decide to step down? Who would have the money and the will to buy United? Or are there other alternatives?
A stock listing seems most realistic at the moment I guess, but that obviously leaves us open to another takeover eventually.
 

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Down with the media. I would assume the point is to make them sell, even at a loss. Sky, the media, the banks and these plastic owners ...can go do one. The protest made my day. I was sleeping and would have missed the game. They did it for the fans
 

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It’s not what anyone wants to see but it makes a point and that’s what required. Sending some email or wearing a scarf hardly registers with the Glazers. Even what we’ve seen today won’t register unless it’s repeated, has to be a concerted effort to get rid of them, the protest is more important than the game.

The Glazers don’t want to sell because they are greedy and no matter how much money they drain it will never be enough. They’ll be happy to take their dividends and consultancy fees terrified to sell unless they miss out. But if this continues the other scenario is they’ll be scared to see an asset depreciate and miss out on cash. At Utd only way that happens is by fans saying enough is enough.
This does nothing except give the media and the Glazers an easy rebuttal. Thugs don't represent fans. It does and will do nothing.
 

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Indeed. I can't understand anyone condemning the principle of direct, non violent action, even the break in. Those fans risked arrest and a criminal record for all our sakes. That's a sacrifice for a greater cause. Anyone who was violent against people or property was entirely wrong, but the principle is laudable: this is our club and we are far more important than any owners who want money. I support their right to civil disobedience today, which wasn't done not for their own benefit but for all of us. Let's have some fecking solidarity here, which is what our club was built upon. We are FANS of this club, not just customers. There is a massive difference.
Exactly. A line needs to be drawn. Do we consider Manchester United to be a property of the Glazers or do we consider it to be a football club that was purchased via hostile acquisition? To me the Glazers are fecking leeches because of who the great club is lagging behind. The facilities are outdated, the fans are not taken into account, the debt was literally saddled onto the club to make sure that the parasites are able to take the club over and milk it. Feck the cnuts, feck the leeches, feck the parasites. Love United Hate Glazers. Screw them.
 

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The Torygraph is a dressed up version of the Daily Mail. If they''re against it then something good has happened.
 

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This does nothing except give the media and the Glazers an easy rebuttal. Thugs don't represent fans. It does and will do nothing.
Did you get off your arse today mate?

Thugs?

Prick. What happened today was beautiful. I'm quite emotional about the whole thing.
 

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Down with the media. I would assume the point is to make them sell, even at a loss. Sky, the media, the banks and these plastic owners ...can go do one. The protest made my day. I was sleeping and would have missed the game. They did it for the fans
The Telegraph (Tories Propaganda Advocate), is owned by the Barclay Brothers who are billionaires. They're just protecting their own kind.
 

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The Torygraph is a dressed up version of the Daily Mail. If they''re against it then something good has happened.
They can’t have people believing that mass (peaceful) protest is the way forward. They’ll focus on the violence to detract from our cause and to shame anyone into thinking against doing it for other causes. It happens every time there’s a protest against wider societal issues.