I would guess United have had more shit buys so it might be a bit skewed due to that. It's not like you didn't buy in the same period (since Aguero also counts) Rojo, Blind, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Depay, Darmian, Mkhitaryan, Lukaku, Dalot, but I don't even see Diallo listed in the above list. Not to mention the astronomical wages and transfer fees to the likes of Ibrahimovic or Alexis or Falcao. Obviously City have had the likes of Bony, Jovetic, Nolito etc. too. So of course United spends comparatively. That was reflected in the respective wage bills throughout the seasons.
Man City 2020/21 - General discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
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So £230m more, probably about 4-5 first team players. Would make a world of difference to us.
We have had a few players we bought and sold for less money later on, also we have gotten a few older players over the years which have not lasted long.
I am not sure how true this is for City, literally do not know as I don't follow them closely.
Well the above is to show the current first team squad cost.
Diallo was obviously a buy for the future and not for the first team squad straightaway.
Dias (68), Ake (45), Cancelo (65), Laporte (65), Mendy (58), Walker (53), Danilo (30), Mangala, Angelino (12 - loaned) in the last 5 seasons?
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Yea, this is just for current first team squad.
I feel we have wasted a lot of money over the years. Even the Falcao load cost us a bunch just for wages.
I'm not disagreeing but go back to season 14/15 and the difference is only just over £100m gross which in that time United have spent over £1bn to win a EL and an FA cup, seriously, the amounts over the last few years aren't that much difference gross wise
edit - went back to the Season when Fergie left, gross difference is £150m, so basically £20-£25m a season
They've seen Zabaleta, Clichy, Sagna, Kolarov, Otamendi, and Kompany leave in that time frame. All mentioned were at the tail-end of their careers.
Valid argument that the aggregate amount spent is eye watering, but those replacements were needed.
Plus, it must be mentioned that when Mendy had his injury issues, Guardiola resorted to playing the likes of Delph and Zinchenko at LB, with considerable success.
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We bought poorly in the years post Fergie (Moyes, and LvG), but even then we still weren't spending more than City. City have taken it to a new level.
Look if Europe decides to get serious and institute transfer caps, salary luxury tax, and strict squad limits, all this goes away. Then City wouldn't be able to afford to have Laporte and Sterling as second options. But everyone in the sport is jokers so.
I really wish Pep would go manage somewhere without the highest budget in the league. I know that managing those types of squads is a different skillset and requires something special, but I honestly don't think you can call Pep won of the greatest managers in history until he does.
That Barca squad won before and after him. Ditto Bayern. City's a bit trickier, but having 2 50m world class talents in every position makes it harder to judge imo.
Maybe if Barca have to sell off all their assets to survive the debt, and Messi leaves he can go back there and show he could take a team of not the worlds best players and win with it.
Wenger has done it. Jose has done it. Fergie has done it. If that's the table he wants to sit at, imo he has to prove himself, and he can't do that at City.
That Barca squad won before and after him. Ditto Bayern. City's a bit trickier, but having 2 50m world class talents in every position makes it harder to judge imo.
Maybe if Barca have to sell off all their assets to survive the debt, and Messi leaves he can go back there and show he could take a team of not the worlds best players and win with it.
Wenger has done it. Jose has done it. Fergie has done it. If that's the table he wants to sit at, imo he has to prove himself, and he can't do that at City.
@The Corinthian - Interesting comparisons. How do Chelsea compare?
I really think the crucial thing to remember here is that United aren't the only competition. We're a disaster in terms of spending. Take our utterly useless soon-to-be-ex CEO out of the equation.
Compare City to the other 17 teams in the league (excluding Chelsea for obv reasons). It's laughable how much more they've spent. It's like 3 of 4x Spurs and Arsenal, never mind Leicester etc.
Chances of that happening is 0 and administering that is even tough.
How many sister clubs City have? You can bet, these state backed clubs will have so many sister clubs in different continents. So what will stop them from selling the player and loaning them back? or sell a dummy player for huge fee?
"We are the City boys" just sounds like they're bragging about having an office job in central London.
Shows how small time they are that they're literally celebrating just being in a final.
People have to put context when they say but but united also spent a lot. Yes we have spent but let us look at last season. Ole wanted Sancho, he gets two young players in diallo and pellestri. He wanted Grealish but gets VDB, he wanted haaland before he went to dortmund but got Ighalo on free. Pep wanted a cb , gets ake and then gets another in dias. Ultimately United also spent 75 odd gross last summer but how many have improved our first 11 conclusively.
If we had sheikhs running we would have spent those extra 100m on sancho. If city had glazers running they would have asked Pep to work with what he has and would have given a 18 year old CB. Like I said context matters.
If we had sheikhs running we would have spent those extra 100m on sancho. If city had glazers running they would have asked Pep to work with what he has and would have given a 18 year old CB. Like I said context matters.
Barca were 3rd the season before Guardiola, 18 points behind Real Madrid.
When has Jose done it? As far as I am aware, biggest spender as Porto, Chelsea, and Real Madrid.
What happened to "We hate CL, we don't care about CL" thing?
His peers already consider him one of the greatest.
The only way he'll manage at a level below is if from now on he does a Jose, and mucks things up so bad at City, that he becomes odious to all top clubs and is forced to take a step down to a club like Roma or Spurs or Celtic. And that won't happen, so this conversation will remain amongst us armchair manager assessors.
And all those managers you mentioned did it at the beginning of their careers. He came in blazing from the beginning. Why go back to "prove yourself"?
I don't think this can be done, sure there is governance around this from happening, if it could be done I'm sure we'd already have done it.
Agree. If they win the CL, every commentator in football is going to be slobbering all over Guardiola's record, but not manager I can ever recall has gotten so much support, patience, and an unlimited checquebook to boot. No other manager in the world can match that. He even has the benefit of not having to match expectations like the managers of lets say Bayern, or hysterical crowd demands that one could have with one of the Spanish giants.
Wasn't one of those clubs a club they literally bought for Pep's brother? They're unstoppable.
it is laughable how much we've spent I would never argue any different but it's exactly the same for United, that's even more laughable for the returns they've got.
I think every single United fan agrees on the latter point.
First team squad...
Kepa Arrizabalaga - £71.6m
Edouard Mendy - £22m
[Irrelevant point] - £24m
Ben Chilwell - £45m
Antonio Rudiger - £29m
Thiago Silva - Free
Kurt Zouma - £12m
Andreas Christensen - Free
Reece James - Free
Cesar Azpilicueta - £7m
Emerson - £25m
Jorginho - £50m
Mateo Kovacic - £44.8m
Billy Gilmour - £0.5m
Ngolo Kante - £32m
Callum Hudson-Odoi - Free
Christian Pulisic - £58m
Hakim Ziyech - £40m
Mason Mount - Free
Kai Havertz - £62m
Olivier Giroud - undisclosed fee (but transfermarkt has £15.3m)
Tammy Abraham - Free
Timo Werner - £47.5m
Total is £585.7m (including the £15.3m for Giroud, it's £570.4m without).
I never mind Pep one bit. Top class coach and more likeable than Klopp. Yes he has spent loads but ultimately he is winning stuff.
Jose won the Champions League with Porto. And Inter. I hate the man, but that's ridiculous.
you've outspent city 3 of 8 years since Fergie left, both teams have spent over £100m 5 times in the last 8 years, you've spent over £175m twice, we've done it 3 times and once massive £280m, I'd argue it's only 1 year when we've blown you out of the water money wise since Fergie left.
Interesting, thank you for that.
So, Man Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool are all around a similar sort of squad value, whilst City are a good £300m or so ahead.
I don't disagree. Obviously it's just an opinion. But if you want to be considered the best, you have to earn it. Imo he hasn't done that, many would disagree. That's fine.
I don't think a manager has ever created a more perfect points machine than this City team. But no manager has ever had the support that he's had there. So it's just hard to judge. It's why in many ways football is flawed due to not having any kind of 'level playing field'.
I completely forgot he won the CL with porto and Inter. My mind just went Porto -> Chelsea -> Real -> Man united -> spurs -> Roma. He gets around.
City have spent more and they've spent better, basically.
I used to dislike him when he was at Barca, and especially in the early periods when he came to City, he just had this weird aura about him that we should somehow be grateful for his presence in English football. I've mellowed on him since then though. He's the best in the business but he manages a club I don't particularly care about so meh.
You spent over £100m on centre backs in a season where all other clubs had to be conservative due to a pandemic. There's City's spending power, then there's everyone else*.
* not incl. Chelsea.
Maguire, Alexis, Jorginho were all priority targets for Guardiola too, so not sure what you wanna prove or disprove with this. Even Dias going about the rumours was maybe second or third choice.
that's it in a nutshell, spent more but better, just did Chelsea's spend since Fergie left, they've spent £100m less than City but just under £50m more than United, gross spend all are over £1bn since Fergie left.
How do they all compare in net spend? Sorry if you’ve posted it already somewhere.