18 not 19. Don’t try to suit it to your argument.t
Let’s not kid ourself. Alcacer is more proven than Daniel James and he was on their bench.
Give Ole the same quality player as himself, he would bring that player on.
You have to ask why Diallo wasn't given more opportunities to integrate; there were times that were perfect to do so, but he insisted on playing the first team even when it wasn't needed. The same thing has happened with De Beek, where Solskjaer has barely given him any game time to acclimatise or reach match-fit levels. It really does hinder our depth. Substitutes still need games to be able to have an impact when they are called upon. They can't just come in after barely playing and be expected to give a good performance.
You don’t need to have Grealish/Sancho on the bench if he starts one of them and bench a teenager like Greenwood. Again, that’s a quality option he has proven himself that he can bring him on to change the game.
Someone was saying something similar to me in the maguire thread a few weeks ago and lo and behind he goes and gets injured and the lads below him haven’t played together all season. Just because a good player is always semi fit you don’t have to run him to death for 180 minutes every single week. It’s criminal misuse of the second 11 in the squad especially making expensive signings and not trusting them. It also sends a poor message to the squad lads. Not enough confidence in you. Oh shit sorry actually we need you now to save our season. Basic psychology and man management. If they aren’t good enough to rotate regularly then stop signing them, sell them or loan them till they are. If I was behind Rashford this season for example I’d be wondering what the hell he needs to do to get dropped for a few games so I could have a crack at it. It’s a crazy setup.
No he wouldn’t. Ole would be a sub with our current strikers and no way would he sub himself on to take off Rashford, Cavani or even Greenwood. He wouldn’t risk it.
He subbed off Rashford for 19 years old Greenwood to change the game before so why wouldn’t he?
He choked plain and simple but he’s been laying the foundations for this particular shitshow all season with Rashford Bruno AWB and Maguire absolutely run into the ground when there was no reason for it. If we don’t have a like for like player then change the system or formation. Get creative. Involve the squad. Still raging today at how it went down. Playing for extra time and penalties against an average team is certainly a low point in my lifetime. If we went for it and they knicked the winning goal? Cool, it happens. Last night was just a hopeless culmination of all of his mistakes this season
You have to look at how Ole doesn’t rush things to integrate young players. Look at what he did to Greenwood last season. Was he being thrown away to starting XI? No, he was slowly getting his minutes only came on as sub for 2-5 minutes and slowly getting more minutes and end up as our regular player. Amad only been here for less than Greenwood had, Greenwood been training with Ole since 2018. I had my explanation about VDB’s style doesn’t suit our style at the moment.
He only had one cup final. Coming into conclusion based on one cup final because there is no quality on the bench doesn’t make a justification or fair assessment for what you said.
The guy has scored 6 goals in 2 seasons he's crap.
Sounds like James’s stats.
i can't get over this. We could have made 6 subs in ET and won this with a near fresh squad squeezing out a goal in 30 minutes. Amad, James, Matic, Fred, Mata, VDB, Telles, you telling me we couldn't replace 6 guys running on empty with 6 fresh legs playing against EPL castoffs and La Liga has beens.
But Amad didn't even get that. He didn't play in the Premier League until second was secured, and I think it is because Solskjaer was a bit scared to give other players opportunities. I think that cost us in the end as he didn't trust any of the bench players for the Europa League final. Why would he? He didn't even trust them enough to play them in games when the first team (or the full first team) wasn't needed.
Yeah I reckon Football Manager and Fifa definitely have played a role in 'gamifying' the experience of football and making your average fan or journo see the sport in a more surgical and tactical way.I agree with that.
For as good of a manager Klopp is, let us not forget he has a grand total of one league in 6 (six) years.
For the life of me I don't understand when the basics of football like first 11 quality and squad depth have been forgotten and their place taken by patterns of play and pressing. It's like the modern football journalist is some FM obsessed kid that hasn't fallowed a club or football in general in his life. Calling managers that are yet to win a league WC calling others super promising before they even managed an under 18. It's just bizarro World for the last 3 or 4 years
No it's not. There's no huge improvement, there's a marginal one. 8 points more than last year.
None of that means jack shit. Sorry. Age and experience don't play football. By your reasoning Shaqiri must be better than Mbappe.
When Mane was playing like Rashford was yesterday he was getting subbed. For Shaqiri or Origi or Ings or for anyone. The criterion isn't the age of the sub, it's how good he is and how well the main player is playing. When Mane was playing shit he was getting subbed. In 19/20 Mane was on fire so he didn't need to get subbed too much. Not the case for Rashford.
We have one 19yo in the line up. You're acting like it's something crazy. Liverpool had a 20yo TAA in the CL final, no big deal. And I never compared Greenwood to Mane, you're the one doing that. Like you're the one comparing Dan James to Shaqiri and claiming Shaqiri is better against reason just cause he's older. I just pointed out how nonsensical your comparison is and not backed up by anything.Imagine comparing a team that has 19 years old with a team that has 28 years old and expecting both will have the same development.
Greenwood has trained with Ole since 2018 and only been used in 2019. Amad has only trained with us since January 2020. Train with the first team first, get used to play with the men and understand his team mate, and etc. Ole has his process to integrate the kid.
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I'm not trying to suit my argument. I though he was 19, my bad.
In alot more games played in a easier league. Try again.
Yeah no problem.
Exactly so what does price paid for our bench have to do with anything?
Telles despite having played very little have served his purpose. Cavani was brought as back up to Martial, but considering the latter have had a diabolical season he ended up being the main man up front instead. VdB either needs more time to settle or we simply wasted 40 million on a player whos not good enough. Mata and Matic have also gotten a year older so in terms of depth, we did not add a whole lot last summer.
Who's giving them a free pass? Have your read the performance threads?
These reactions about Amad. Honestly, I‘m seeing the same reaction to how people used to moan about Ole not using Greenwood enough back then.
Gets your stats right first mate, you think you can fool me by telling me the wrong stats. Try again.
Fergie has trusted a whole host of random teenagers, he's also trusted established squad players and senior members of his side.
He isn't. And he has nothing to do with the argument.
Of course it does. It’s an example what happened if you have good quality bench or poor quality bench.
If you don't have that depth what are you gonna do ? Keep playing the same players until they break down ?
I’m not disrespecting O’Shea here but he subbed off O’Shea not Keane, Scholes or young Ronaldo or young Rooney or Ruud. It’s big difference of comparison with Mata/James/Amad to what we had in our XI.
Sounds like what Klopp did with only Jota he can trust.
This.
What an absurd analogy.
Liverpools squad depth may not be better than ours and you're probably right however their starting XI is better than ours especially in the front 3 who do most of their scoring. That is why they won the CL not the depth of their squad.
