Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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I think its too big a transfer, hyped for too long for a little announcement from us. But we'll have heard enough noises (we have already for me) that we can relax about it and move onto the Varane train.

An official announcement really means bugger all when you've got every person confirming it anyway.
So you’re saying there will be a double announcement with Varane and Sancho?! You are a cheeky chappy!
 

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Southgate is just a bit of a dull nerd, Ole will love what a cheeky chappy Sancho is.
Yeah I think that is part of it. He definitely seems to prefer the players with more serious personalities / professionalism, hence the reluctance to back Grealish and Sancho.

I think the best managers know you have to balance the squad and maintain the professionalism but make allowances game winners to express themselves both on and off the pitch.
 

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Southgate is just a bit of a dull nerd, Ole will love what a cheeky chappy Sancho is.
People with personality or charisma scare him for sure. That's why he has Steve Holland next to him. Kane and Rice are his sort of people.
 

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Southgate is just a bit of a dull nerd, Ole will love what a cheeky chappy Sancho is.
There are many things to be curious about regarding Sancho and Southgate, although we'll never get the truth out of Southgate. Those who express themselves and play in a manner that generates high risk and also high reward seem to rub him up the wrong way as it's not only Sancho who he doesn't want to put into his bland team, but also Bellingham, Grealish and I have a feeling he'd drop Shaw, too, if he could.

The way Southgate sees football is the stuff of a bygone era, and again, it seems rather than accommodate and facilitate those who can provide an expansive, probing game, he'd prefer to not deal with them at all or work out how to best use them once they're on the pitch.

If you want players to run on rails with restrictive remits and a higher focus on two-way work than attacking the opposition, you definitely look elsewhere. I think it's a travesty England's FA allowed such an inept manager to run roughshod over the national team.

Ole might not have the tactical or coaching chops to ultimately win through at United, but what he does have is the optimism and romantic notion to let players go out and play (perhaps too much, as it then leads to us either playing sublime, off the cuff football, or equally, looking clueless out there) and in that regard he won't curtail Sancho's natural freedom of expression. As long as what he does is effective, Ole will be all for it, whilst you really do envision Southgate grimacing every time a player of his does something 'flashy' or intricate as opposed to getting his head down and screaming :chargggeee!'

We'll be a breath of fresh air for Sancho after the restrictive dour instructions and expectations of Southgate.
 

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Well Ducker's said we are not going to do anything on the medical/media annoucement front until england go out or win tournament. I just don't see both camps holdings out to announce the deal though.

I think we'll get this:

Id be surprised if we signed lukaku
 

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There are many things to be curious about regarding Sancho and Southgate, although we'll never get the truth out of Southgate. Those who express themselves and play in a manner that generates high risk and also high reward seem to rub him up the wrong way as it's not only Sancho who he doesn't want to put into his bland team, but also Bellingham, Grealish and I have a feeling he'd drop Shaw, too, if he could.

The way Southgate sees football is the stuff of a bygone era, and again, it seems rather than accommodate and facilitate those who can provide an expansive, probing game, he'd prefer to not deal with them at all or work out how to best use them once they're on the pitch.

If you want players to run on rails with restrictive remits and a higher focus on two-way work than attacking the opposition, you definitely look elsewhere. I think it's a travesty England's FA allowed such an inept manager to run roughshod over the national team.

Ole might not have the tactical or coaching chops to ultimately win through at United, but what he does have is the optimism and romantic notion to let players go out and play (perhaps too much, as it then leads to us either playing sublime, off the cuff football, or equally, looking clueless out there) and in that regard he won't curtail Sancho's natural freedom of expression. As long as what he does is effective, Ole will be all for it, whilst you really do envision Southgate grimacing every time a player of his does something 'flashy' or intricate as opposed to getting his head down and screaming :chargggeee!'

We'll be a breath of fresh air for Sancho after the restrictive dour instructions and expectations of Southgate.
Southgate was asked After England’s first game about Calvin Philips and one of his first comments was…”he’s an unassuming character” wtf does that have to do with anything other than Southgate being an ‘unassuming character’ himself.
 

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Imagine Rashford - Greenwood(Martial) - Sancho interchanging and playing one touch all over the place with Bruno + Pogba behind them... :drool:

I’d honestly think that would be one of the most scary attacking lines in the world
 

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Southgate was asked After England’s first game about Calvin Philips and one of his first comments was…”he’s an unassuming character” wtf does that have to do with anything other than Southgate being an ‘unassuming character’ himself.
Yes, he alludes to it a lot - this character thing - and it does fall in line with what he always was as a player/captain even as a youngster. He's contradicted himself a number of times re. Sancho because telling it how he really sees it just isn't worth the headache. I do believe he sees these 'wildcards' as those you throw on when you've nothing left to lose, but that ultimately he doesn't trust them to follow instructions and stick studiously to his plan (of not much at all) for the meat & veg of a game.

His profile is dull, strict and not inclusive at all, which is really bad for squaddies because they know they'll not get a game but for injury or dire need. Even if they play well one game, his leaning will still be to put those he finds agreeable back in the team if he can. Talk about demoralising.

The sooner he is ousted the better. Progressive players and progressive football as a whole, will be the fall guys for as long as he is in charge.
 

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Imagine Rashford - Greenwood(Martial) - Sancho interchanging and playing one touch all over the place with Bruno + Pogba behind them... :drool:

I’d honestly think that would be one of the most scary attacking lines in the world
Just need a Top class DM to sit behind them and we are good to go !
 

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I think its too big a transfer, hyped for too long for a little announcement from us. But we'll have heard enough noises (we have already for me) that we can relax about it and move onto the Varane train.

An official announcement really means bugger all when you've got every person confirming it anyway.
All it needs is a photo of Sancho in a Utd jersey with the comment being merely "You love to see it".
 

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Even so, the season doesn’t start for 7 weeks. The euros doesn’t finish for 2. I don’t get the impatience here. This is far more advanced than surely anyone would’ve predicted at this point
There is no impatience from me, i'm merely signalling it might be, in part a due to financial cycles.
 

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Yes, he alludes to it a lot - this character thing - and it does fall in line with what he always was as a player/captain even as a youngster. He's contradicted himself a number of times re. Sancho because telling it how he really sees it just isn't worth the headache. I do believe he sees these 'wildcards' as those you throw on when you've nothing left to lose, but that ultimately he doesn't trust them to follow instructions and stick studiously to his plan (of not much at all) for the meat & veg of a game.

His profile is dull, strict and not inclusive at all, which is really bad for squaddies because they know they'll not get a game but for injury or dire need. Even if they play well one game, his leaning will still be to put those he finds agreeable back in the team if he can. Talk about demoralising.

The sooner he is ousted the better. Progressive players and progressive football as a whole, will be the fall guys for as long as he is in charge.
Agreed
 

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People with personality or charisma scare him for sure. That's why he has Steve Holland next to him. Kane and Rice are his sort of people.
To be fair to Rice, he's a very lively character, certainly not comparable to Kane at all.
 

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I still struggle to get properly hyped about this. Great player, very good signing. But its still frustrating to be fixing last seasons transfer feck up a year later.
 

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Imagine Rashford - Greenwood(Martial) - Sancho interchanging and playing one touch all over the place with Bruno + Pogba behind them... :drool:

I’d honestly think that would be one of the most scary attacking lines in the world
I’m actually most looking forward to seeing Amad develop this season, and have a suspicion that he could level out the best of the lot tbh.
 

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I’m actually most looking forward to seeing Amad develop this season, and have a suspicion that he could level out the best of the lot tbh.
In the same boat. Just needs a continuous run of games and he could light it up
 

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In the same boat. Just needs a continuous run of games and he could light it up
He’s also unique in being the only left footed natural winger of the group, in that Greenwood probably isn’t a natural ‘winger’ per se.
 

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I still struggle to get properly hyped about this. Great player, very good signing. But its still frustrating to be fixing last seasons transfer feck up a year later.
How is it a feck-up when you consider that it will cost us £30+million quid less? No one was going to pay pre-Covid transfer fees when we had no visibility heading into the middle of the covid pandemic?

It was fiscally prudent. It's a grown-up approach. You don't want to land up like a Barca whose management team acted like a kid in a candy store for years -- treating the club's money like it was free or someone else's.
 

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I’m actually most looking forward to seeing Amad develop this season, and have a suspicion that he could level out the best of the lot tbh.
Not to have a go but I'm honestly wondering what Amad has shown so far to suggest he'll end up better than any of these three. He's looked a class apart in the youngers, granted, and has had moments in the first team but to say that you reckon he'll wind up better than three of the most exciting young talents in the world (ok, Marcus is arguable for some) when he's played a handful of first team games is a bit of a reach. I have high hopes for him too but worry about saddling him with unrealistic expectations. We're even quicker to tear our youngsters down than we are to build them up.
 

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Amad’s class but let’s be honest, he’ll get about 10-15 games next season. There’s just too many names ahead of him.
 

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How is it a feck-up when you consider that it will cost us £30+million quid less? No one was going to pay pre-Covid transfer fees when we had no visibility heading into the middle of the covid pandemic?

It was fiscally prudent. It's a grown-up approach. You don't want to land up like a Barca whose management team acted like a kid in a candy store for years -- treating the club's money like it was free or someone else's.
Bingo.

Fans would rather go transfer crazy and bankrupt the club for short term gain, then blame the management when it all goes wrong.
 

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I still struggle to get properly hyped about this. Great player, very good signing. But its still frustrating to be fixing last seasons transfer feck up a year later.
It rally wasn't a feck up. They wanted more money than we were willing to pay.
 

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How is it a feck-up when you consider that it will cost us £30+million quid less? No one was going to pay pre-Covid transfer fees when we had no visibility heading into the middle of the covid pandemic?

It was fiscally prudent. It's a grown-up approach. You don't want to land up like a Barca whose management team acted like a kid in a candy store for years -- treating the club's money like it was free or someone else's.
I didn't know Joel Glazer was on Redcafe!

Last year we did feck all to strengthen the team. Then fell short in the league and two cups. Maybe that statement would change if we had signed a single starter who wasn't a free agent.

As for ending up like Barca? Despite Covid the Glazers paid more than £23m in dividends in the financial year, so spare me the crocodile tears about financial prudence when it comes to spending an extra £30m on a key target. Saving that money put more money in the owners pocket, it didn't save the club from bankruptcy.
 

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Amad’s class but let’s be honest, he’ll get about 10-15 games next season. There’s just too many names ahead of him.
Exactly how it should be for an 18 year old at a club supposedly challenging for the big prizes. This isn’t a charity - when Amad is good enough to start he will - and that competition will improve him and the team. He’ll still get plenty of game time to develop. For too long we’ve had Martial and Rashford at very young ages guaranteed to start regardless of form.
 
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