We have a mediocre manager that loves the club and is improving the club in so many different ways - yet isn’t winning titles.
Well guess what all our League Rivals have been doing all the things you mentioned along with having some of the world's best managers.
Not winning or challenging for the above mentioned periodYou extend his contract to show he has the backing of the club, and to remove any noise around that question, particularly with such a young squad.
Managers are fired on the basis of results, not on how long they have remaining on their contract.
What exactly is the downside of extending his contract by 12-24 months this season
On contrary, Ole is excellent manager and I can argue with you or anyone whole day.
Klopp had Liverpool in a CL final 18 months into his tenure. The next season he won it and pushed City all the way for the PL. Within a season Pep was beating all kind of records in the PL. Within 6 months Tuchel transformed Chelsea and won the CL. This is what excellent managers do but argue away.
He absolutely did not. Have you even bothered to do your research before making your argument.There's one available who achieved exactly that in his 1st year in England.
Well if you are nit-picking its a lot nearer to 2.5 years than it is to 3.
Klopp joined Liverpool in October 2015. His first CL Final with Liverpool was in May 2018.
That is 31 months, almost 3 years.
Well that is still 13 months longer than the post I quoted had suggested.
@ Eriku I was answering holy trinity saying 31 months is nearly 3 years. Where you got 18 from I dont knowI removed the post because I spotted the ambiguity. Where I got 18 months from? The post he was responding to. I initially thought you were making the point that 18 months was closer to the mark than 3 years.
For some reason it comes up with error when I tried to directly reply to you.
See? Not just me you confused.
Ok my bad. I'll put it another way. In the same time frame that Ole has been here Klopp took Liverpool to a CL final. The following season (this one coming up for Ole) he won it and pushed City all the way for the title with 97 points. Do you think we have shown signs that this season we'll win the CL or lose out on the PL by 1 point while playing great football? Ole may be a good manager but excellent he definitely is not.
Klopp joined Liverpool in October 2015. His first CL Final with Liverpool was in May 2018.
That is 31 months, almost 3 years.
Oh. Well all I saw was the 31 month quote and that was al I answered.
Do you think extending his contract would stop the club from sacking him if on field performance wasn't up to scratch?
I don't understand this fecking ass backwards logic. His salary is around 10M a season. Its not coming from your pocket and its definitely a minuscule compared to the dividends Daddy Glazer takes out of the club every season. Why act all high and mighty about pinching pennies here? If you let him coach on the last year of his deal, he'd be a lame duck all season in terms of his authority over the players and the dressing room. That's when players begin to act up, knowing they can overrule him and be fine as their deals run longer than his. Why risk all that dysfunction over 10M per season? This is the very definition of penny wise, pound foolish.
I mean, if the squad is improving and that continues then at some point the squad will challenge for the title, no?
We were in a title race last season and was a decent GK away from winning a major trophy. They are some incredibly fine lines you're judging there
Improving the squad and continuing to improve the squad with no plateau or steps back are completely different.
The part in bold is nonsense.
The backwards logic could have actually helped us from tying ourselves to years of contract of underperforming players that we struggled to let go of. I dont think players give a shit if their manager is on his last year of contract or not. Respect is earned not written in contracts. Also as i said Ole is happy to be here, there is no rush. Hopefully he will have more players to work with next season that fit his criteria and we can asses the team performance then. It's much more fair that way instead of being this trigger happy team that rushes on giving out contracts like Santa handing out gifts on Xmas. It's called learning from the past, not acting high and mighty. Who gives a shit about the Glazers, its the club that is in trouble when we make non calculated decisions, not them.
I'm not saying he is a terrible manager. I just think there are others out there who would be more tactically astute.
It doesn't hurt anyone to wait till Jan before taking a decision. He's not going anywhere and neither do the players believe that. Waiting is best for everyone.
You think these two things happen independently of the manager?
Avram Grant also took Chelsea to final does this mean he is a top manager? Tuchel is sacked from PSG for not winning UCL, and oh wait, where is Pep's UCL trophy for a squad worth billion. SAF won only 2 UCL.Klopp UCL Ole has good record vs Klopp and excellent vs Pep. Pep has more luxurious squad and Klopp's team is now being exposed and having a third season syndrome and messing in same way like he did in Dortmund. Without Van Djik he is struggling to win a game, same way Ole had to face many games without Pogba. Give City's squad to Biesla or Ancelloti, they will still end up winning league, perhaps even win a UCL. Give some credit for finishing 2nd in top league of world and stop moaning or name one manager who can do better job than Ole. He has actually done a far better job than Mou and Van Gaal, who were also top managers. Talking about transformation and available fund, I guess Ole did fairly well given the squad of Phil Jones, Mctominay, Lindelof, half of the squad with epitome of mediocrity. I guess he is getting rid of deadwoods even now right given the transfer of United being pathetic. Chill out and just wait for trophy.
I have seen a lot of posts with terrible logic here but I guess this takes the cake. You realize the difference between the squad Grant inherited in comparison to the one Klopp or Tuchel did, right ?
This takes a cake? I guess this is a typical logic Ole out squad? I guess you also did not realize Klopp did get money to buy 80 m plus center back , Mane and other handpicked players right? Tuchel had a world class squad at PSG and won nothing so half a season and by chance winning UCL does not mean he is world class manager. Chelsea spent millions (most in Premier league I think) last season hoarding out Harvetz, Mounts etcs and we can expect to win with that kind of money spent so his feat is similar to interim manager Grant as both inherit great squad. How about Pep, you did not mention he had best squad and money. Amount of money given to Ole and squad he inherited, I think he has done better job. Give your Peps, Tuchels and Klopps Mctominay, Lindelofs VDB and Daniel James instead of Sancho and Grealish then imagine if they can even finish top four.
No it's a stupid logic. Gram inherited a team that was dominating England for the previous 3 years, won 2 league titles out of those 3 and even the year they didn't win it in, they won the 2 domestic cups. Klopp inherited a shit team who finished 6th the previous season and transformed them into a CL finalist 2.5 years in. Tuchel got a team who last progressed past CL 16th round in 2014 and were 9th in the table when he got and made them CL champions in 6 months (and also got PSG into their first even CL final). To compare them to Grant who inherited one of the best English teams of the decade at this point is a terrible logic. Neither Tuchel nor Klopp were expected to win CL when they inherited their teams while this Chelsea side back then was screaming to reach a CL final and couldn't just take the final step in the semis the previous few years.
This is being silly. Who bought DVB and Daniel James?
