If signing better players, becoming a better team and creating better squad depth isn't going to give us better results on the field, what is the point of signing those players? Our CL experience this season is one of the clearer examples of where a new signing that clearly upgrades our team likely (not definitely, but likely) would have made a difference.
Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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No post for over an hour. Sanchoff?
Big day today.
I kinda agree with what you are saying, but the problem is 2 folds, last year, BVB wanted 120M euros as base fee, and add-ons that would take the total fee to the same fee they got from Barcelona for Dembele, around 150-160M euros, they weren't open to negotiate it and i don't think the club had such funds available at all, what was available was probably around 120M pounds after spending 35M pounds on DvB, the other part of the problem was United's mistake for not understanding BVB true intentions, had the club understood what BVB wanted early, they would have moved on early and probably be able to pursue good players.
because of how they handled their attempt to sign Sancho last season, they went on Panic Mode at the last 48 hours of the window, and brought in a backup LB (Telles)& ST (Cavani) who went straight to the 1st team as squad options, and 2 young prospects in Amad & Pellistri, who went to the reserves first, because as i mentioned earlier, they are young prospects and were brought in for the future as both are actually teenagers (18/19 years old), and their signing should have no bearing on building the current squad and bringing in players who are ready for the 1st team games.
100%, if reports are to be believed, they wanted 120M euros as base fee!! with add-ons that will make the total fee be close to what Barca paid for Dembele.
Now, we are getting him for 95M euros as total fee, that's significantly less than what they wanted last year.
You do understand that there's a bit of a difference between paying the vast majority of a transfer fee up front and paying it yearly installments?
Appears we’re saving a fair whack more than 20m.
What we are getting now is a player at that represents good value. The players we bought last season were also at prices that represented good value.
So what we’re about to have is 4 players that represent good value rather than one player on a massive rip off.
Sometimes it’s simply better to wait, without Sancho we still improved every aspect of our season from the previous.
Tbf that's due to him having one less year on his contact rather than us being good negotiators.
When you take that into consideration it's not much different. 95m Euros for a player with two years on his deal, wants out and can't really get into an England team that isn't all that is incredible business by Dortmund. We are the only club in the world who'd pay that for him and it seems we are.
You are wrong on the bolded, Barca paid 150M for Dembele and he didn't do much, Atletico paid 120M for Felix, he didn't much as well, plenty of clubs pay huge fees for players, not only us.
Shhhhh… don’t let facts get in the way of a right load of bollox
Yeah, they should still get plenty of games, we have 4 attacking positions. All of them can play multiple positions too. We have Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood as wingers. Greenwood wants to play as CF in the future. So it's just 2 players, not counting James as good chance he won't be here for long time. Also player who is such a huge talent shouldn't really worry about players like James.
Kepa and fecking Pepe went for 80m€ for fecks sake 
Any transfer that is completed, you can say only one club was ready to pay that much for the player (well in most cases)
Only stating the obvious
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It funny though, when a poster gets such tunnel vision that they completely lose track with reality.Only stating the obvious
We look like picking up Sancho for not much more than Chelsea paid for Kepa and Arsenal paid for Pepe, that’s the way I look at it. Transfer fees are mental when the selling club doesn’t really want rid and especially for young talents, as Pepe, Felix, Kepa & Dembele show us.
Didnt fecking Napoli pay €70m for Victor Oshimen?Kepa and fecking Pepe went for 80m€ for fecks sake
No wonder "selling clubs" are chancing their arm at mad transfer fee requests.
It was reported that Dortmund wanted most of the fee in one lump sum. So around £80m in one lump sum. So it was sensible to wait a year and sign the likes of Amad and Pellistri who we haven't even paid £15m for as things stand with the rest dependent on add ons and yearly payments.
I think it’s gone mental with young talents as they retain such value.
We paid a pretty insane fee for Martial at the time but despite what some redcafe poster believe, I imagine we’d still recoup his fee at the very least.
Wouldn't you count Sancho as established? he played more than 130 games for BVB across 3 seasons, consistently starting games at top team like BVB, i would say he's already established at least in terms of experience, and although he is only 21 now, and can still develop further, I would put him in the same bracket of CR7 & Rooney, who joined the team as young teenagers but had plenty of top level experience and and were ready to be part of the 1st team right away and have an impact. Amad, although very talented, does not have much of experience yet, but I am confident he will gain the experience this season, we play on multiple fronts and there will be plenty of games that he will be part of.
Indeed, young and very talented players who play in top leagues (PL, La Liga, League 1, BL, etc...) will go for high fees (60M++ euros), especially ones who are highly sought after by top clubs across Europe. De Ligt who played in Eredivisie with Ajax, cost Juve 75M as a 19 yo defender, same with De Jong, went for 75M to Barcelona.
Transfer fees gone through the roof now. Agents the big problem.
Almost........closer........moving ahead.........nearing agreement.
Romano did just write “wrapped up” saw it in the transfer tweet thread.
So no other club would pay big money for one of the most promising young attacking players in Europe?
Do you really believe that?
Sort of. Personally, I don’t think we can simply extrapolate what he’s produced at Dortmund and immediately paste it into the PL with United. In fact, I expect some initial struggle. Which makes him a little more similar to the others, potentially for the first year. Only with loads of games willnhe get up speed, but I don’t expect much immediately. And because of this, I can’t help wonder what the same loads of games would do for Greenwood and Amad. All three of these are young players. 20 games is all it takes one to pass another, I focus more on ability and ingredients than achievement at this age. Because a player has played 60 games less at 18 doesn’t really mean much. He just hasn’t started yet. I remember getting into a debate last summer with someone on here who I can’t recall, who was insisting to me that Williams was better than Laird simply because he’s played and Laird hasn’t. Which at 19 years old each, is not that relevant. None of their stories have been written yet.
Hearing from my sources that today is a big day
He's been talking to Rashford.
Not fussed as this is done. Onto the Camavinga thread!
The caf is it?
@Pexbo has a name, you know
I asked and they said they wish to remain anonymous, you should respect that.
Advanced talks are advancing to more advance talks in advance of an announcement of more advanced talks I understand!
Its closer than ever before.. FACHT
No way does this get announced before the German game at the very least.
It was for not giving likes on newbie any postsl
Saw what looked like Utd doing promotional or marketing photography on Stevenson square outside corner boy at 1030 today.
Guys in the photos being taken looked a bit like Sancho, though obviously not him as he's with England squad and wearing Utd zip up street wear top, smart casual.
Read in to it what you will.
Guys in the photos being taken looked a bit like Sancho, though obviously not him as he's with England squad and wearing Utd zip up street wear top, smart casual.
Read in to it what you will
.Saw what looked like Utd doing promotional or marketing photography on Stevenson square outside corner boy at 1030 today.
Guys in the photos being taken looked a bit like Sancho, though obviously not him as he's with England squad and wearing Utd zip up street wear top, smart casual.
Read in to it what you will
Gary Neville was right. This is the most boring transfer ever.
Were you casually bigdaytripping?Saw what looked like Utd doing promotional or marketing photography on Stevenson square outside corner boy at 1030 today.
Guys in the photos being taken looked a bit like Sancho, though obviously not him as he's with England squad and wearing Utd zip up street wear top, smart casual.
Read in to it what you will
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