Kostov
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Lots of nonsense being thrown around and bashing of a very very good player. Depending on our plans for the midfield he can be a good upgrade to a midfield consistent of shit passers like Scott and Fred.
Yeah he's not a terrible player, I'd be happy to have him in the sqaud, just not sure he elevates us as a team especially if he's Pogba's replacement.I know what you mean, it doesnt sound great, but I think it has potential. Fred breaking up play and doing his usual fred schizz, Neves sitting and getting the ball forward to rashy/sancho/greenwood and El Matador. He could be an important cog. He has stagnated at wolves, but they hardly played the most scintillating attacking football, with a little more freedom to express Im hopeful.
Ruben Neves is not a very very good player - he is a good player whose attacking contributions are limited. In over 100 appearances he has 11 goals and 6 assists - which is marginally better than McTominay . And before you call mcTominay and Fred shit passers - their passing accuracy is better than Neves - of course that doesn't tell the whole story, but to say that he is a lot better than those 2 is simply not correctLots of nonsense being thrown around and bashing of a very very good player. Depending on our plans for the midfield he can be a good upgrade to a midfield consistent of shit passers like Scott and Fred.
Tbf I don't think goals and assists are particularly relevant given the type of midfielder he is.Ruben Neves is not a very very good player - he is a good player whose attacking contributions are limited. In over 100 appearances he has 11 goals and 6 assists - which is marginally better than McTominay . And before you call mcTominay and Fred shit passers - their passing accuracy is better than Neves - of course that doesn't tell the whole story, but to say that he is a lot better than those 2 is simply not correct
Not on his own, but with the additions of sancho, shaw being godlike, and potentially trippier I think the balance is spot on.Yeah he's not a terrible player, I'd be happy to have him in the sqaud, just not sure he elevates us as a team especially if he's Pogba's replacement.
Looks like that is Leon GoretzkaHe better not be our only midfield signing if Pogba goes.
He played in 36/38 PL games and only 2 outfield players played more minutes all season.Hell no
He was want even getting a game for Wolves last season at times
Feel pretty similar, can see him doing a job against the lesser sides if given abit more space to pick passes etc, not sure I see the benefit of him against better sides except set pieces. He’s definitely a different option than we have and the price isn’t the worst given his age, maybe his recent form is down to being too comfortable at Wolves and the challenge of playing at a higher level is what he needsWell I'm still undecided tbh, never to sure if the rumours are true but his range of passing could come in handy, especially against teams that just sit back and we're gonna have 85% of the ball.
I think against better teams he'd probably get found out on his lack of pace.
That could be misleading though. If you are playing risk-averse passes all match, then of course you are likely to have a better completion rate.He's actually very good defensively, better than Fred, but Fred has better passing stats. He's a better player than McTominay pretty much across the board with the exception that McTominay scores more. Honestly, for a DM McTominays defensive stats are actually pretty trash and his passing is not good. I think we're basically looking for Freds partner.
How many of those 36 were starts? I mean maybe I'm wrong but I certainly recall Wolves games where he was on the bench forHe played in 36/38 PL games and only 2 outfield players played more minutes all season.
But thats no yardstick, those wins were mostly down to luck really they won the titles in weak seasons. When you're trying to build a team to compete with City you need world class in every position.That’s nonsense. Chelsea have some pretty average midfielders and have still seen success. Neves is a decent player.
Fair. You have to take a pinch of salt with most stats mind for that very reason. I think this table is pretty interesting though:That could be misleading though. If you are playing risk-averse passes all match, then of course you are likely to have a better completion rate.
Player | Attempted Long Passes | Long Passes Completed | Success % |
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Camavinga | 77 | 59 | 77% |
Fred | 148 | 98 | 66% |
Neves | 302 | 192 | 64% |
Rice | 121 | 75 | 62% |
McTominay | 112 | 68 | 61% |
31, most of all their midfielders and since December there was only 1 game he didn't start when available.How many of those 36 were starts? I mean maybe I'm wrong but I certainly recall Wolves games where he was on the bench for
I don’t know, Ole was stating that he wants to use a more attacking 4-3-3. To do that he must be looking at getting a DM in. We couldn’t do it with just Fred or McT. Neither individually good enough so Neves wouldn't be a surprise as he would be a pretty cost effective upgrade on Fred and McT.So far no other proper source other than talksport. Lads i think this rumour is a load of crap, though i wouldn't mind see this happening
Liverpool ran City kneck and kneck for the title before subsequently beating them the following year. In neither season did they have world class players in every position, unless you think the likes of Georgi Wijnaldum, Jordan Henderson and Joe Gomez are world class. Hell, even Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain started about half their league games in their title winning season.But thats no yardstick, those wins were mostly down to luck really they won the titles in weak seasons. When you're trying to build a team to compete with City you need world class in every position.
You don’t. I can only name afew team ins history with a world class player in every position. Personally I think Utd 2008 and possibly 1999 are the only teams that have managed it in yeh premier league and even then I’d argue there was one or two borderline players. If Neves is the weakest player in your team, you have an elite side in my book.But thats no yardstick, those wins were mostly down to luck really they won the titles in weak seasons. When you're trying to build a team to compete with City you need world class in every position.
The whole Wolves team looked cooked under Nuno. It's tough to tell how much of his bad play of late is down to him or the fact that the team was incredibly stale and needing changes.Hell no
He was want even getting a game for Wolves last season at times
Yeah not sure it was worthy of a thread. I actually don't think we will sign a midfielder other than possibly Camavinga unless Pogba goes.So far no other proper source other than talksport. Lads i think this rumour is a load of crap, though i wouldn't mind see this happening
I agree stats can be misleading and hence I don't put too much weight on that. I prioritize ball retention, but then like a player who has the balls to play a risky pass if the chance is there. On the other side of it, I want a player like Bruno to slow it down sometimes and not try and play a risky pass all the time. Losing the ball so often means your team is placed under pressure to defend and get it back again.Fair. You have to take a pinch of salt with most stats mind for that very reason. I think this table is pretty interesting though:
Player Attempted Long Passes Long Passes Completed Success % Camavinga 77 59 77% Fred 148 98 66% Neves 302 192 64% Rice 121 75 62% McTominay 112 68 61%
You'd look at that table and think Neves was pretty average given he's on 64% and yet if you look at the sheer amount of long passes he attempted and completed it's actually insane. It's more than Fred and McTominay combined.
I think the below actually just highlights how good Kante is defensively if i'm honest. But I'd say Neves is clearly much better than McTominay and right up there in the league.I find him to be too slow and immobile. But I haven't seen him a ton.
Being slow can be ok, after all Carrick wasnt the fastest.
But is he any good defensively to play like a holding midfielder for us, similar to Jorginho? Appreciate any replies. Thanks
Player | Mins | Attempted Tackles | Tackles Completed | Tackle Success % | Tackle Completed Per Min |
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N'Golo Kanté | 2146 | 108 | 79 | 73% | 27.2 |
Fred | 2397 | 141 | 81 | 57% | 29.6 |
Rúben Neves | 2680 | 138 | 86 | 62% | 31.2 |
Jorginho | 2014 | 101 | 57 | 56% | 35.3 |
Scott McTominay | 2128 | 64 | 51 | 80% | 41.7 |
Declan Rice | 2880 | 89 | 59 | 66% | 48.8 |
Player | Mins | Interceptions | Interception Per Min |
---|---|---|---|
N'Golo Kanté | 2146 | 59 | 36.4 |
Declan Rice | 2880 | 59 | 40.6 |
Rúben Neves | 2680 | 65 | 41.2 |
Fred | 2397 | 45 | 44.8 |
Scott McTominay | 2128 | 29 | 73.4 |
Jorginho | 2014 | 40 | 72.0 |
Interesting stats but these would suggest there isn't much between him and Fred/Mctom however I rate rate him a lot higher.I think the below actually just highlights how good Kante is defensively if i'm honest. But I'd say Neves is clearly much better than McTominay and right up there in the league.
Tackling Stats:
Player Mins Attempted Tackles Tackles Completed Tackle Success % Tackle Completed Per Min N'Golo Kanté 2146 108 79 73% 27.2 Fred 2397 141 81 57% 29.6 Rúben Neves 2680 138 86 62% 31.2 Jorginho 2014 101 57 56% 35.3 Scott McTominay 2128 64 51 80% 41.7 Declan Rice 2880 89 59 66% 48.8
Interception Stats:
Player Mins Interceptions Interception Per Min N'Golo Kanté 2146 59 36.4 Declan Rice 2880 59 40.6 Rúben Neves 2680 65 41.2 Fred 2397 45 44.8 Scott McTominay 2128 29 73.4 Jorginho 2014 40 72.0
Same. Give me GoretzkaDon't want.