Try reading the post. He said our ability to drive out creative players is unparalleled.
If you agree with that statement which I took issue with then fair enough. It's bollocks though.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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If you agree with that statement which I took issue with then fair enough. It's bollocks though.
Yep, just take the £50M from PSG and re-invest that into the team.
What was the contract offer anyway and I take it that would have made him the top earner at the club if he’d accepted it?
Wonder how divided the caf is? A poll of some kind would be interesting I think. I suspect a clear majority would swing in one direction.....
Can't believe what I'm reading here about the fans. Fecking awful.
Don't really care tbh. Bruno was everything he should have been. Simply put, he never has and most likely never will get the numbers Bruno does so he has to play deeper as a creative CM and he's far too prone to being a liability defensively and overplaying/overcomplicating play back there.
Sell him, bring in a proper b2b or dm and Camavinga and this team goes up a level.
Sell him, bring in a proper b2b or dm and Camavinga and this team goes up a level.
Would be incredibly naive to think that you don't need any of those to be successful. And, fans think about the results and performances which are mainly based on those qualities.
Some of the best attacking teams in last few decades have tons of those qualities. The likes of SAF, Jose, Pep, Klopp have had teams with those qualities.
Would be happy if he stayed, but it's not the end of the world that he decided he wants to leave. Supremely talented player but it baffles me that we still struggle to find his best position/role. He was fantastic at times for France but never been that consistantly good for us sadly.
I still can't decide if he needs to be replaced with a combination of pure DM & tempo controlling CM or more of a DLP & a Grealish type attacking midfielder that can help support Bruno
Unparalleled was a bit of hyperbole, of course. There are other clubs with this problem. But your multiple rants above clearly show that you aren't prepared to even accept the possibility that the reaction from quite a sizeable section of fans, has made a difference to whether the player wants to be here.
A poll would be handy for sure.
I don't think it would be as one-sided as you think. This thread alone suggests he still holds sway over a large contingent of the fanbase - at least on the CAF anyway.
Franck Kessie is that man
I know he has been inconsistent and yes overall has been a letdown but during last season when we did go top he was carrying us and was playing more simple especially with Bruno which had me thinking when we put better players around him he looks better like with France.
Im not that upset if he leaves but we need a proper CM to replace him as I would like to see Mctominay and Fred in there most weeks
Im not that upset if he leaves but we need a proper CM to replace him as I would like to see Mctominay and Fred in there most weeks
It's spelled "spacegoating" but I get your point. How much of that stuff is entirely media built though? You're always going to have a section of any fanbase that are going to shout negative things, but I don't know a lot of match going fans who have actively booed him. If anything it's the anonymous folk on social media, and there's no guarantee that they're even United fans!
But, even if it was United fans, so what? He's paid to play for the club, and his performances have been patchy at best. A few amazing moments, but also a few games where he's been completely absent. If he then posts tonnes of social media stuff all on the name of his brand then he's going to get people voicing their opinions about it. That's not hounding him out of the club - that's just reality!
It's like any other job, really. If any one of us was just working to the bare minimum level at times, occasionally putting in the hard work but not consistently enough to call it a regular occurrence, and our bosses and colleagues said "maybe you should put the phone down, stop making excuses or extend platitudes, and get back to work?" you've only really got two options;
1) do it
2) say you can't do it
If, however, you got everyone who knows you to read your script about how your being treated unfairly, people are being cruel etc ALL BECAUSE they had the audacity to comment that your below expectations performances are below expectations then you're just being a bit of a wanker who is playing victim whilst sitting in your big flash house, which has been paid for based on a wage that you're getting for expected performances that you've been woefully..
Below expectations with!
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. Every transfer window his agent magically comes in and stirs the pot - Paul seems rather quiet about that every time. But Dave from Portsmouth with the avatar of some manga character calls him shit on Twitter and suddenly Paul is sitting there in front of the screen writing another entry in his Sadness Diary?
Online trolls, though; he's definitely had lots of those and they can all feck off to the moon without scapesuits as soon as possible.
Or GoretzkaFranck Kessie is that man
PSG has to do us a massive favour and give us anything before it's too late.
Paul Pogba is an amazing footballer, if he stays he stays, if he leaves he leave, fed up of the circus tbh….I am confident that if we get Varane on top of Sancho we will be much better off than we were last year with it without Pogba. If he stays we could destroy so many teams….let’s hope he stays but VDB could actually be the missing piece we have been waiting for…
Everyone keeps mentioning his need for this mythical DM alongside him who makes no mistakes and is literally unplayable. Who is it then? He had the best DM alongside him in Kante, who it is extremely difficult, or even impossible to find a similar level of player and even still Pogba was prone to being a liability during the tournament at times - and that was in a tournament setting! The quality of football is far lower and it's only a handful of games, not a whole season.
Also, how he plays for France is irrelevant, some very average footballers can look great in tournaments. Fecking Shaqiri was ripping it up these Euros.
He's an incredible talent but he's had more than enough time to establish himself here. He hasn't changed at all as a footballer, still extremely good on the ball and creatively - still a liability at times when being pressed and in transistion due to his insistence on overplaying and overcomplicating play. That's not the fault of his teammates.
If you sell him - bring in Goretzka who is a better player and far more consistent, bring in a DM like Camavinga or Bissouma and this team is far better off imo.
80/20 for sell and reinvest I’d say
What problem? It's a problem fans take issue with certain aspects of a players behaviour? I'm ranting as it's an insult to all fans, especially match goers, to suggest that they are unparalleled in driving players out of the club.
Can't believe I'm reading this then again it is the Caf.
There is a large obstacle in the way of that one, namely Bayern Munich.Or Goretzka
Oh come on. It's been far more than that, almost from day one.
On here as much as anywhere.
So are we really saying that some shite posted on the Caf is unparalleled throughout football in driving players out of the club? And the players read it and decide to leave?
Ye, was more tongue in cheek, but I'm glad we are at least testing the waters. If he refuses to re-sign, they may be open to negotiating, or we could get him on a free. He did the same with Schalke to go to Bayern, did he not?
That sounds about right.
Football is a team sport, I don’t think Pogba leaving will weaken the team. With a proper replacement, we will perform better as a team. If I am Ole, I will not let him walk away on free transfer. Any fee will do even at 30 mil. Take this money and reinvest in the squad for a young midfielder with potential. Pogba just brings distractions to any team.
No, not at all.
I have no idea what he did before Bayern to be honest.
I don’t think we have the choice….his agent will decide if we sell or he stays…the power is with the players and agents…it’s up to United to entice him to stay….if we offer him enough money he will…but I hope we don’t go overboard…
Well in that case I don't know why you're arguing on that posters behalf. He was talking shit and was called on it.
Please just let him go to PSG. He's nowhere near worth the hassle of this shite every summer. Many people say United has dragged down Pogba's career but if he's as good as he thinks he is he'd have dragged us through much more than the odd top four finish or Europa trophy. He's a great cog in a world class team, but no more than a good player in anything below that.
I'm sure Pogba wants to play football. It's the world cup next year. . .
The club should push back and make it clear if he wants to run it down then hes going to play very little next season.
Completely agree…if that’s what he decides we plan ahead…and use him when we need him…
Pogba and Fernandes are not suited to play in the same team unless Pogba plays on the left which is a position we are already particularly strong in. Incredible player but a balanced team is always better so it is fine if he leaves as long as we get a player that can play in a midfield 2 and dictate the tempo of a match whilst contributing defensively.
1) It's good manners to tag someone if you're talking about them.
2) You were talking about the caf, not me. My post which you contested said:
Psg is the perfect fit for pogba. Will rack up a YouTube reel worthy of the greats while battering teams most weeks, will build his brand even more and will ultimately not be remembered as a serious player or remotely near the calibre of top tier.
That is bullshit
I'm not arguing on his behalf.
You need to go back and read what I've posted. It was nothing like what you ascribed to me.
Mourinho did many puzzling and exasperating things while at United, but, at least, regarding Pogba, he was right. Pogba should have had been allowed to transfer to City during his first season when the Dutch agent made an attempt.
Ignore him. It’s always those types who will argue against a valid point like it doesn’t exist talking pure patriotism without actually answering the initial question.
I’m convinced our current fanbase would question Zidane’s credibility if he put on a red shirt saying he can’t defend.
Not really. 5 years from now he wouldn't even be remotely considered for the best PL team ever. Realistically he wouldn't make the 19th or 20th line ups.
Hes an Instagram age player. Never really delivers consistently, and has basically been destroyed any time he's faced a top midfield with us except one half away at city.
Id argue that no player in history has had such fanfare for so little output with his clubs