Yes. Meniscus followed by muscle injuries.Do you know he's out for a long time because of a couple of injuries and Covid?
Yes. Meniscus followed by muscle injuries.Do you know he's out for a long time because of a couple of injuries and Covid?
Top postAll very true and possibly one of the reasons we fail at international level.
We certainly have many gifted and capable players, but our obsession with playing endless back to back games, the ridiculous Christmas fixtures and the elephant in the room that’s the League Cup is just mindless.
Spacegoating can become a thing! Thread please. Images with dramatic backgrounds. GOATS in space, featuring Maradona, Georgie Best and … Pogba?I see your point in terms of expectations vs reality, it's fair to say for a 90M midfielder we all expected the next Viera.
The thing is, he's coming off a pretty good season. After he recovered from Covid he played well and did all the things people said he should do. Kept it simple at times, tracked back, played as foil for Bruno, played in multiple positions and even from the bench for the team. In fact he played a big part in the feel good factor we had this season when we were in first place and when we got to the latter stages of the EL.
But now that the season's over it's back to him being Djemba Djemba and stinking up the midfield. It's like those matches didn't happen. Yet when we look at the post match reactions we see the vibe was generally positive.
Of course some of it is valid, but there's too much spacegoating of him going on especially given that he's generally one of our better players. In short I don't think a player of his profile can do much more to get the fans onside (besides win the league of course), and when the fans dislike a player this much it's pretty much curtains for him at the club.
Stay 1 year, run it out, benefit?If I were the club bosses, i would revise my offer to re-sign. 20% cut in wages. See what happens. Will be interesting for watching clubs and cut down Minis choices.
We didn't ever have him though, not really. Phantom of a player, on his day unplayable otherwise he is a liabilityA closed friend of mine is a Juve fan. He laughed at me a lot when we bought him back. Guess this time he'd laugh to death I hope.
Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.
Mbappe isn't happening. It's Madrid or bust.Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
It seems you have misunderstood my question and you are very confused, let me rephrase it. My question is about whether do you think Pogba's quality worth for 450k-500k p/w wages or no? If not how much maximum wages would you give him?Entirely dependent on a few things.
1. Do we believe those figures? It's only one report so I don't.
2. If it is those figures it depends what would be our plan for not having him.
3. If our plan after selling Pogba is to just get a DM and then play then with Bruno and either Fred or VDB then I personally would be very against that idea. I don't think those Midfields will be good enough at top level. Especially if the DM doesn't contain a brilliant range of passing
In this scenario I'd rather keep Pogba and sign a DM as it benefits the team more In my opinion.
4. If our plan is to sell Pogba and make a new midfield with a DM CM and Bruno then I'd be very ok with that. I'd still like Pogba but if he wants to go and we actually will replace him properly then that is fine.
5. For me these things are never simple. Whether he is worth said money is more dependent on what our plans would be without him. Right now if he leaves our Midfield options behind Bruno are very poor. It would need a hell of an overhaul. One that ensures we get the right players in who can hit the ground running. Atleast one of those players would need a brilliant passing range as our current options do not bar Pogba.
So really it's a loaded question. Without knowing the outcome it's hard to say wether its worth it.
I can only guess what I think the club will do. And if I was to guess I'd say IF we sell Pogba we will get just a DM and go into next season with a Midfield that is more solid defensively but is a hell of a lot more limited at servicing our now brilliant attack.
And it would be a hell of a shame to have our attack and not the players to provide it.
That is why the Pogba situation is so complicated. It's not black or white. It's not we should keep or we should sell. Wether its beneficial or detrimental is entirely up in the air.
That unknown is nearly why I'd lean towards keep and risk losing him on the free. Which is apparently some people in the club's thoughts as well.
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Is Mbappe before or after we sign Haaland?Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
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Who knows tbh, it's a lot of speculation in all directions mostly.So he hasn’t rejected a new contract?
exactly it means neither one thing or the other, won't stop people speculating thoughI expected Ole to say nothing else.
I expect Pogba to be injured again should he remain for this season. Its his normal routine.I expected Ole to say nothing else.
Unfortunately this happens time to time. Has happened to us, has happened to others and will continue to happen.I expect Pogba to be injured again should he remain for this season. Its his normal routine.
I expect Pogba to be injured again should he remain for this season. Its his normal routine.
I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.Tbf to Pogba although I don't think he's ever really looked committed to us, he's never really had much to get excited about here, but we could look very different this time next year to him, so I'd keep him and risk losing him for free, we aren't getting anyone better.
Spacegoat coast to coast.Spacegoating can become a thing! Thread please. Images with dramatic backgrounds. GOATS in space, featuring Maradona, Georgie Best and … Pogba?
Ole is always positive about players who are still employed by the club, he lied about Smalling, Lukaku etc. It‘s all smoke and mirrors.Tweet
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We might finally be going into season with a starting 11 that has no real holes in it, to now lose Pogba would just feel like a potential missed opportunity, he can maybe only be a consistant top player when he is surrounded by other top players, and when there something to really play for, I don't know if that is true, I just want to see it given a chance.I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.
You really need to back up this stance (of wanting to play for a top side) by playing top football. And he doesn't really.
This is what I have issues with. Players that do this, like Martial and likely Pogba will end up overpaid with high contracts - whereas the ones that stay committed and quietly do their job don’t. We lost Herrera due to this and I hope we don’t make the same mistake reward Bruno with a contract he deservesI just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.
He needs to back up his ambition with top level performances.
Yep and add Sanchez to the list too "he will come back here and prove the doubters wrong" whilst on loan at Inter.Ole is always positive about players who are still employed by the club, he lied about Smalling, Lukaku etc. It‘s all smoke and mirrors.
In many ways I'd rather he handles contract situations this way. Keep it all behind closed doors, and I hope they work out the best solution for all parties.Yep and add Sanchez to the list too "he will come back here and prove the doubters wrong" whilst on loan at Inter.
It is a popular take.I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.
He needs to back up his ambition with top level performances.
Ole would be a very good politician. The art of saying a lot of things (which all sound positive) without actually said anything.Ole never really shows his cards
I see some posters mention Pogba ++ in midfield. I am not sure what they see in his production level to offer him that status. We need midfielders with consistent production levels who can help the team, not live in hope that our so-called superstar will turn up.Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.
He said he'd never play for PSG because his parents are Marseille fans.whats the reason behind this idea that Pogba doesn’t like PSG and their fans don’t like him? Guess I must have missed something .
I really don’t understand when you say he’s one of our better players.I see your point in terms of expectations vs reality, it's fair to say for a 90M midfielder we all expected the next Viera.
The thing is, he's coming off a pretty good season. After he recovered from Covid he played well and did all the things people said he should do. Kept it simple at times, tracked back, played as foil for Bruno, played in multiple positions and even from the bench for the team. In fact he played a big part in the feel good factor we had this season when we were in first place and when we got to the latter stages of the EL.
But now that the season's over it's back to him being Djemba Djemba and stinking up the midfield. It's like those matches didn't happen. Yet when we look at the post match reactions we see the vibe was generally positive.
Of course some of it is valid, but there's too much spacegoating of him going on especially given that he's generally one of our better players. In short I don't think a player of his profile can do much more to get the fans onside (besides win the league of course), and when the fans dislike a player this much it's pretty much curtains for him at the club.