Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Tincanalley

Turns player names into a crappy conversation
Joined
Apr 12, 2011
Messages
10,136
Location
Ireland
All very true and possibly one of the reasons we fail at international level.
We certainly have many gifted and capable players, but our obsession with playing endless back to back games, the ridiculous Christmas fixtures and the elephant in the room that’s the League Cup is just mindless.
Top post
 

Tincanalley

Turns player names into a crappy conversation
Joined
Apr 12, 2011
Messages
10,136
Location
Ireland
If I were the club bosses, i would revise my offer to re-sign. 20% cut in wages. See what happens. Will be interesting for watching clubs and cut down Minis choices.
 

Tincanalley

Turns player names into a crappy conversation
Joined
Apr 12, 2011
Messages
10,136
Location
Ireland
I see your point in terms of expectations vs reality, it's fair to say for a 90M midfielder we all expected the next Viera.

The thing is, he's coming off a pretty good season. After he recovered from Covid he played well and did all the things people said he should do. Kept it simple at times, tracked back, played as foil for Bruno, played in multiple positions and even from the bench for the team. In fact he played a big part in the feel good factor we had this season when we were in first place and when we got to the latter stages of the EL.

But now that the season's over it's back to him being Djemba Djemba and stinking up the midfield. It's like those matches didn't happen. Yet when we look at the post match reactions we see the vibe was generally positive.

Of course some of it is valid, but there's too much spacegoating of him going on especially given that he's generally one of our better players. In short I don't think a player of his profile can do much more to get the fans onside (besides win the league of course), and when the fans dislike a player this much it's pretty much curtains for him at the club.
Spacegoating can become a thing! Thread please. Images with dramatic backgrounds. GOATS in space, featuring Maradona, Georgie Best and … Pogba?
 

Giggsy13

Full Member
Joined
Aug 27, 2016
Messages
4,343
Location
Toronto
Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.
 

Ledom

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 25, 2018
Messages
76
A closed friend of mine is a Juve fan. He laughed at me a lot when we bought him back. Guess this time he'd laugh to death I hope.
We didn't ever have him though, not really. Phantom of a player, on his day unplayable otherwise he is a liability
 

gza the genius

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2009
Messages
5,107
Location
supply and command
Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.

Yep, I said it earlier in the thread but in Sancho we already essentially have signed Pogba's replacement. Now we need to get in a proper defensive midfielder and we'll have a more complete team than with Pogba.
 

MackRobinson

New Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2017
Messages
5,134
Location
Terminal D
Supports
Football
Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
Mbappe isn't happening. It's Madrid or bust.
 

UNITED ACADEMY

New Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2018
Messages
13,127
Supports
Erik ten Hag
Entirely dependent on a few things.

1. Do we believe those figures? It's only one report so I don't.

2. If it is those figures it depends what would be our plan for not having him.

3. If our plan after selling Pogba is to just get a DM and then play then with Bruno and either Fred or VDB then I personally would be very against that idea. I don't think those Midfields will be good enough at top level. Especially if the DM doesn't contain a brilliant range of passing

In this scenario I'd rather keep Pogba and sign a DM as it benefits the team more In my opinion.

4. If our plan is to sell Pogba and make a new midfield with a DM CM and Bruno then I'd be very ok with that. I'd still like Pogba but if he wants to go and we actually will replace him properly then that is fine.

5. For me these things are never simple. Whether he is worth said money is more dependent on what our plans would be without him. Right now if he leaves our Midfield options behind Bruno are very poor. It would need a hell of an overhaul. One that ensures we get the right players in who can hit the ground running. Atleast one of those players would need a brilliant passing range as our current options do not bar Pogba.


So really it's a loaded question. Without knowing the outcome it's hard to say wether its worth it.

I can only guess what I think the club will do. And if I was to guess I'd say IF we sell Pogba we will get just a DM and go into next season with a Midfield that is more solid defensively but is a hell of a lot more limited at servicing our now brilliant attack.


And it would be a hell of a shame to have our attack and not the players to provide it.

That is why the Pogba situation is so complicated. It's not black or white. It's not we should keep or we should sell. Wether its beneficial or detrimental is entirely up in the air.

That unknown is nearly why I'd lean towards keep and risk losing him on the free. Which is apparently some people in the club's thoughts as well.
It seems you have misunderstood my question and you are very confused, let me rephrase it. My question is about whether do you think Pogba's quality worth for 450k-500k p/w wages or no? If not how much maximum wages would you give him?

You don’t need to believe the figures, I’m just asking you a question. It’s like people ask someone what would you do if you have a trillion dollar. You don’t believe you can have trillion dollar but you can still answer the question what if you have it. The same with my question about Pogba
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 11, 2015
Messages
2,596
Location
Whalley Range
Reports Mbappe has told PSG that he wont sign a new contract. Real have no money and very few sides could pony up enough money to buy him right now with us being a possible exception. We also have a big name French player theyre actively trying to sign. There has to be a deal we can make there, surely?
Is Mbappe before or after we sign Haaland?
 

The United

Full Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2015
Messages
5,796
I would think the biggest issue with contract extension would be the fee that his agent wants for signing or whatever b.s.

350K if true is a good wage. I doubt even PSG can give him much higher than that and we can probably match theirs.
 

red thru&thru

Full Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2004
Messages
7,657
I expect Pogba to be injured again should he remain for this season. Its his normal routine.
Unfortunately this happens time to time. Has happened to us, has happened to others and will continue to happen.

Let's just hope it's settled one way or the other this summer.
 

C'est Moi Cantona

Full Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2014
Messages
8,788
Tbf to Pogba although I don't think he's ever really looked committed to us, he's never really had much to get excited about here, but we could look very different this time next year to him, so I'd keep him and risk losing him for free, we aren't getting anyone better.
 

Bastian

Full Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2015
Messages
18,592
Supports
Mejbri
Tbf to Pogba although I don't think he's ever really looked committed to us, he's never really had much to get excited about here, but we could look very different this time next year to him, so I'd keep him and risk losing him for free, we aren't getting anyone better.
I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.

He needs to back up his ambition with top level performances.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
Why are people getting worked up about stories of him going to PSG? It's standard negotiating tactics from Raiola. Pogba has said in the past that he wouldn't play for PSG which is why some PSG fans are against him. There was no other club that Raiola could link him to. We all know that Perez doesn't want Pogba and Barca are totally skint. It's literally Raiola's only card here.
 

C'est Moi Cantona

Full Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2014
Messages
8,788
I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.

You really need to back up this stance (of wanting to play for a top side) by playing top football. And he doesn't really.
We might finally be going into season with a starting 11 that has no real holes in it, to now lose Pogba would just feel like a potential missed opportunity, he can maybe only be a consistant top player when he is surrounded by other top players, and when there something to really play for, I don't know if that is true, I just want to see it given a chance.

All I know for sure is that he is an extremelly talented midfielder, which we find very difficult for us to get hold of, so I'd keep him for a season where our squad looks as good as it has since Fergie left, also as our links to replacements seem far fetched, and the fee we might get for him pretty limited.
 
Last edited:

Golden Nugget

Full Member
Joined
May 7, 2011
Messages
2,236
I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.

He needs to back up his ambition with top level performances.
This is what I have issues with. Players that do this, like Martial and likely Pogba will end up overpaid with high contracts - whereas the ones that stay committed and quietly do their job don’t. We lost Herrera due to this and I hope we don’t make the same mistake reward Bruno with a contract he deserves
 

-Supreme-

Full Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2018
Messages
2,447
Ole is always positive about players who are still employed by the club, he lied about Smalling, Lukaku etc. It‘s all smoke and mirrors.
Yep and add Sanchez to the list too "he will come back here and prove the doubters wrong" whilst on loan at Inter.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,647
Yep and add Sanchez to the list too "he will come back here and prove the doubters wrong" whilst on loan at Inter.
In many ways I'd rather he handles contract situations this way. Keep it all behind closed doors, and I hope they work out the best solution for all parties.
 

OrcaFat

Full Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2013
Messages
5,672
I just don't get this take, and it's quite popular. I'm fine with him wanting the club to be a lot more ambitious and competitive, I'd respect him for saying so publicly to exert pressure on the board, but he's hardly done the business. Look at Bruno, fiercely competitive, and has singlehandedly won us loads of games in a very short amount of time. He's allegedly being paid a third of what Pogba is earning.

He needs to back up his ambition with top level performances.
It is a popular take.

The vibe at the club has been a bit unstable. There was a glut of supposed talent coming in under Mou but it was a house of cards and all turned to crap really.

If Pogba was just coming to the club now, imagining that Varane ends up here as well, he might feel more positive and we might see more of his quality. As it is, half his career has passed while the club slowly transitions back to what it was in SAF days. It’s coming, but his experience here must make him doubt whether it’s worth waiting. He doesn’t have the personality to positively influence and hasten the development of the club, the squad, the team. He’s supremely talented but he lacks Bruno’s drive; he lacks the qualities that we have needed so much these last few years; he is not a “United” player in my mind.

He would have done much better at a team already established at the top. He’s good enough to get into the top teams but not good enough to turn a “nearly” team into winners.
 

ghagua

Full Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2012
Messages
5,992
Irreplaceable is a word that should never be used to describe Paul Pogba. In the last 20 years the only midfielders you can call irreplaceable are Scholes, Keane, Xavi, Iniesta and Modric. Pogba is not even at half of their levels. Get rid and invest in a defensive midfielder. Sancho with Bruno will be far superior to what Pogba and Bruno offered.
I see some posters mention Pogba ++ in midfield. I am not sure what they see in his production level to offer him that status. We need midfielders with consistent production levels who can help the team, not live in hope that our so-called superstar will turn up.
 

Irwin99

Full Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2018
Messages
9,385
whats the reason behind this idea that Pogba doesn’t like PSG and their fans don’t like him? Guess I must have missed something :wenger:.
 

Giggsyking

Full Member
Joined
Aug 24, 2013
Messages
8,519
the club is bigger than any player and manager. He should feck off now before the transfer window closes if he does not renew his contract now.
 
Last edited:

Strelok

New Member
Joined
Jan 10, 2018
Messages
5,279
whats the reason behind this idea that Pogba doesn’t like PSG and their fans don’t like him? Guess I must have missed something :wenger:.
He said he'd never play for PSG because his parents are Marseille fans.
 

Red Company

Full Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2019
Messages
1,072
Location
Toronto
Supports
The Peaky Blinders
I see your point in terms of expectations vs reality, it's fair to say for a 90M midfielder we all expected the next Viera.

The thing is, he's coming off a pretty good season. After he recovered from Covid he played well and did all the things people said he should do. Kept it simple at times, tracked back, played as foil for Bruno, played in multiple positions and even from the bench for the team. In fact he played a big part in the feel good factor we had this season when we were in first place and when we got to the latter stages of the EL.

But now that the season's over it's back to him being Djemba Djemba and stinking up the midfield. It's like those matches didn't happen. Yet when we look at the post match reactions we see the vibe was generally positive.

Of course some of it is valid, but there's too much spacegoating of him going on especially given that he's generally one of our better players. In short I don't think a player of his profile can do much more to get the fans onside (besides win the league of course), and when the fans dislike a player this much it's pretty much curtains for him at the club.
I really don’t understand when you say he’s one of our better players.

Let’s put things into context here.

Firstly he can only be better than others when he’s on the pitch which we all know is usually half a season or so on average. And while he is on the pitch he hasn’t always been one of our better players either. So we’d now have to offer him a massive new contract for a part time return? Some of us don’t agree with wanting to afford such a luxury. We’d rather reinvest these funds into the team.

Furthermore, It’s only last season when he wasn’t given too many responsibilities of the midfield and played in advanced positions that he was able to give more input but that’s also because we were short of options and Rashford was injured or not up to par. Going forward he will not be playing LW as often as he did last season and probably very rarely.

Let’s also not forget the penalties he conceded.

The reason many of us are back to scapegoating him is because stints of good performances don’t warrant fulfilling his demands. Of course we also remember how he came clutch for us last season but there’s a lot more to it than just his good moments. He’ll most likely miss a few games again due to injury if not a half season again. And the likelihood of his injuries will only continue to increase with age.

Even if injuries may not be a concern, where would you want to play him? Definitely can’t trust him in a midfield 2.
If the rumours are to be believed and we’re switching to a midfield 3, we still can’t risk playing him there either if Bruno is in the mix too, no matter who the DM may be.

The PL is way too fast paced and teams will continue to target him and we’ll never learn from our mistakes. He will continue to get found out and watching him lose possession and then him tracking back, is just dreadful for my eyes. There have been moments that I’ll never forget where the teams running back and this man is just jogging back leaving the entire midfield open.

I’m certainly not down to give him a bumper new contract just to have him as a luxury and be one of our ‘better players’ like you say. When players are paid what he may be paid, they are supposed to be one of our top 3/5 players and right now he’s not in my top 5 most important players in our starting 11. Letting him go is not the end of the world and some of us need to understand that.