Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

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ivaldo said:
You mean when he was the only player outside the top 2 in the team season? And are we just pretending he wasn't excellent until he got injured last season? It's incredible how often his good performances are ignored.
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I don't think he was excellent, no. But he had some good games, some bad and many average. Overall his impact from midfield is pretty meh, which is why I wouldn't blink if we sold him tomorrow. Good player who doesn't fit us and this league.
His good performances are ignored just as his average performances are being praised way too much. He has a style of play that some people like, I get it, but I don't think he makes us play better as a team. He is a good individual especially if used correctly which we're not doing (and with Sancho joining, Pogba time on the wing will be very limited).
 

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I mean France were awful. He's already the 6th highest paid player in the world according to Forbes before any new contract and he was rated the 15th best midfielder in the tournament which consists of players from one continent. His demands are no way backed by his performances.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/performancezone/#/
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He could be be paid £500m a year or paid in cuddles, that has absolutely no bearing on how well he plays. Ridiculous way of judging a player. If we decided to pay Bruno twice what Messi is paid does suddenly make him shit?
 

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IWat said:
I mean France were awful. He's already the 6th highest paid player in the world according to Forbes before any new contract and he was rated the 15th best midfielder in the tournament which consists of players from one continent. His demands are no way backed by his performances.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/performancezone/#/
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Was Harry Kane the 8th best player in the tournament? Patrik Schick the 5th best :lol:
 

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Borys said:
I don't think he was excellent, no. But he had some good games, some bad and many average. Overall his impact from midfield is pretty meh, which is why I wouldn't blink if we sold him tomorrow. Good player who doesn't fit us and this league.
His good performances are ignored just as his average performances are being praised way too much. He has a style of play that some people like, I get it, but I don't think he makes us play better as a team. He is a good individual especially if used correctly which we're not doing (and with Sancho joining, Pogba time on the wing will be very limited).
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No, he was excellent. It's not even debatable.
 

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ivaldo said:
He could be be paid £500m a year or paid in cuddles, that has absolutely no bearing on how well he plays. Ridiculous way of judging a player. If we decided to pay Bruno twice what Messi is paid does suddenly make him shit?
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No, it just makes it an awful decision for the club, which has become way too familiar over the past decade. I am not hating on Pogba, he isn't forcing the club at gunpoint. I am saying we are paying him way too much. And i'd much rather those wages go elsewhere.

He is not a top 5 player in the world, and thus, why on earth are we entertaining paying him as if he is. I'd argue at the moment he doesn't make the top 50.
 

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ivaldo said:
If only there was some kind of thread where people shared their views on a player. Maybe something like a player performance thread where we could check to see what people were saying about him prior to his injury?
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I'm all for people being honest though. Was Pogba our worst player last season? Not even close. Was he our best? Again not close. He's was bang in the middle which in my book is not excellent.

He seems to get better and better with some of our fans the more he doesn't play.

Bruno, Shaw, Rashford Maguire, Cavani were all better than Pogba for me.
 

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IWat said:
No, it just makes it an awful decision for the club, which has become way too familiar over the past decade. I am not hating on Pogba, he isn't forcing the club at gunpoint. I am saying we are paying him way too much. And i'd much rather those wages go elsewhere.

He is not a top 5 player in the world, and thus, why on earth are we entertaining paying him as if he is. I'd argue at the moment he doesn't make the top 50.
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You're drawing a direct correlation between the salary of the player with his performance. You're not making the point he isn't value for money, you're making the point he isn't play well. France doesn't pay his wages, but you've decided he wasn't good enough.
 

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ivaldo said:
You're drawing a direct correlation between the salary of the player with his performance. You're not making the point he isn't value for money, you're making the point he isn't play well. France doesn't pay his wages, but you've decided he wasn't good enough.
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This whole thread is about potentially a new contract, of course I'm assessing his value for money? He's clearly not a horrendous player and like I said perhaps if he goes somewhere else it'll kick off for him, but he's not even close to being the best midfielder in the league at the moment and we're paying him more than Lewandowski ffs and apparently he wants more? I genuinely hope we slam the door in his face.
 

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IWat said:
I mean France were awful. He's already the 6th highest paid player in the world according to Forbes before any new contract and he was rated the 15th best midfielder in the tournament which consists of players from one continent. His demands are no way backed by his performances.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/performancezone/#/
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Talk about a change of goalposts..

"He didn't look like himself for France"

"Actually he was their best player"

"Yeah, but look how much he's paid.."
 

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Nou_Camp99 said:
I'm all for people being honest though. Was Pogba our worst player last season? Not even close. Was he our best? Again not close. He's was bang in the middle which in my book is not excellent.

He seems to get better and better with some of our fans the more he doesn't play.

Bruno, Shaw, Rashford Maguire, Cavani were all better than Pogba for me.
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Prior to his injury, he was undroppable. You know how good he was? You didn't comment in his performance thread for 3 months. Bit off for someone with 167 posts (4th most on the forum) in that thread...
 

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IWat said:
This whole thread is about potentially a new contract, of course I'm assessing his value for money? He's clearly not a horrendous player and like I said perhaps if he goes somewhere else it'll kick off for him, but he's not even close to being the best midfielder in the league at the moment and we're paying him more than Lewandowski ffs and apparently he wants more? I genuinely hope we slam the door in his face.
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You do a bloody good job of hiding that then. We don't pay him to play for France, but apparently he wasn't good enough, despite being told otherwise by multiple posters. Gain a bit of perspective man.
 

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Oldyella said:
Talk about a change of goalposts..

"He didn't look like himself for France"

"Actually he was their best player"

"Yeah, but look how much he's paid.."
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It's incredible.
 

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Oldyella said:
Talk about a change of goalposts..

"He didn't look like himself for France"

"Actually he was their best player"

"Yeah, but look how much he's paid.."
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Utterly bizarre. This thread is about him possibly getting a new contract. Ofcourse I'm assessing him against what his agent seems to perceive his market value.

I genuinly don't think he set the world alight with France for what he seems to think he is. If he wants to be up there and paid akin to Neymar, Mbappe and the like than that's the standard I will judge him against. (Mbappe also flopped at the Eurosbefore someone says it..)

Of all the people who have come back to me, not one person has been able to present one single stat or piece of data to back up anything. He's "creative" but doesn't create chances anymore. He puts the ball forward apparently yet is dominated in that regard by other players in the PL. He loses the ball a hell of a lot.

I'm out because I cba to argue this further and get accused of changing the goal posts when I'm the only one actually bothering to provide any evidence or sources.
 

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Mickeza said:
Is Pogba actually the 6th best paid player in world football? He’s not even our highest earner and the way Barcelona spend on wages I doubt he’d make their top 5…
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This was from that football leaks document
 

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ivaldo said:
You do a bloody good job of hiding that then. We don't pay him to play for France, but apparently he wasn't good enough, despite being told otherwise by multiple posters. Gain a bit of perspective man.
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He didn't look like a £350k per week player to me, I didn't see every France match so perhaps I've missed something. They as a whole were a shambles.
 

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IWat said:
He didn't look like a £350k per week player to me, I didn't see every France match so perhaps I've missed something. They as a whole were a shambles.
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He was the best player by miles. We were talking about player of the tournament before France collapsed against Switzerland. I'm not his biggest fan, far from it, but wish the lad won that accolade.
 

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That Forbes article :lol: just randomly putting numbers. Pogba getting only 6m in endorsement should be indicator of how reliable it is
 

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IWat said:
He didn't look like a £350k per week player to me, I didn't see every France match so perhaps I've missed something. They as a whole were a shambles.
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I think it's abundantly clear you scarcely saw him at the Euros.

Let's pivot then. Who is going to come in and put in better performances, bearing in mind your criticism of him is weighted by his salary. How much would that player demand in wages, and how much would they cost to sign.
 

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ivaldo said:
Prior to his injury, he was undroppable. You know how good he was? You didn't comment in his performance thread for 3 months. Bit off for someone with 167 posts (4th most on the forum) in that thread...
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Undroppable yet hasn't scored in the league since January and scored less goals than Scott Mctomminay.

My definition of undroppable greatly differs from yours. His average CAF rating was 6 out of 10 over the season wasn't it? So it seems everyone else disagrees with you too.

Undroppable my backside. Haven't we won more games under Ole without him than we have with him?
 

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He’ll stay now particularly with the Varane signing. Going to Real would just be quite odd right now.
 

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Undroppable yet hasn't scored in the league since January and scored less goals than Scott Mctomminay.

My definition of undroppable greatly differs from yours. His average CAF rating was 6 out of 10 over the season wasn't it?
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How many did Xavi score in his peak seasons? Goals are a lacklustre metric for midfielders.
 

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It's hilarious how easily people just point to France form to justify his credentials. He's a form player, there are other reasons he works well for France. The obvious one being complimentary players but another big factor is a tournament is what, 7-9 games long.

He can turn up for that long in a go. His issue has always been the patchy form beyond that.
 

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Nou_Camp99 said:
Undroppable yet hasn't scored in the league since January and scored less goals than Scott Mctomminay.

My definition of undroppable greatly differs from yours. His average CAF rating was 6 out of 10 over the season wasn't it? So it seems everyone else disagrees with you too.

Undroppable my backside. Haven't we won more games under Ole without him than we have with him?
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THREE MONTHS you stayed out of that thread. If Pogba did a rough job of tying his shoelaces you'd be all over him. Imagine what he has to be doing to get that kind of silence from you. You must've been miserable. :lol:
 

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VP89 said:
It's hilarious how easily people just point to France form to justify his credentials. He's a form player, there are other reasons he works well for France. The obvious one being complimentary players but another big factor is a tournament is what, 7-9 games long.

He can turn up for that long in a go. His issue has always been the patchy form beyond that.
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But he has had 2 long injury in last 2 season. Last season he had Covid and when he was fit, and was very good. I guess it's difficult to be great all season if you are injured for 2-3 months.

He was our best player the season before that.

His injury is one the biggest reason why I am bit wary of giving him long contract. But to say that he hasn't been good is just revisionism at best.
 

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But he has had 2 long injury in last 2 season. Last season he had Covid and when he was fit, and was very good. I guess it's difficult to be great all season if you are injured for 2-3 months.

He was our best player the season before that.

His injury is one the biggest reason why I am bit wary of giving him long contract. But to say that he hasn't been good is just revisionism at best.
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Exactly. The lengthy periods of form are quickly forgotten.
 
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