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1m per week. Bloody hell. That is just what they are officially paying him.
 

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1m per week. Bloody hell. That is just what they are officially paying him.
Close to the salary DDG + Sanchez got. I wonder what the best investment is. (PS : nobody knows what the real salary is, i've seen different figures all day).
 

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PSG recruited players AFTER the beginning of this fiscal year, they didn't unlock more budget last year, they basically have a whole year to find revenues to offset any increase in expenses, with a full stadium, transfers, new partnerships etc. Also, the club earned 126M by reaching the CL final 2 seasons ago and 112M for this year's semi final.
Yes, a year after they had reduced revenue. So again, we ask...where did this injection of revenue immediately come from enabling them to fund these players? Signing on fees and agent fees are tremendous expenses that are immediate payments.

And how can PSG earn 112M from this year's semi final when Chelsea and City earned about 74M before Chelsea won, which would have maxed them out at around 100M?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soc...ue-prize-money-2021/5i1j0n2hh9r01ffvgqfsp541l
 

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Montpellier wins Ligue 1 in 2012. PSG sign Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva and Verratti the next season

Monaco wins Ligue 1, PSG signs Mbappe and Neymar

Lille wins Ligue 1, PSG signs Messi, Hakimi, Ramos, Wijnaldum, and Donnarruma

Moral of the story: just let PSG win their Ligue 1

(Not from me, I have seen theses comments on reddit)
 

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ADM was one of our best players before his form took a nose dive with the robbery and all that.

Messi would shit all over this league

He's joining PSG as he has friends there, they're a much better prospect than any team here that would have probably been interested and it's a beautiful city for someone who has a settled family. Plus the money of course.

What a fecking team though, if they don't win the CL now, they never will
I don't know why people think Messi would have issues with EPL defenders or any other league... he's Shown he can compete against the best teams in every league and the best defenders in the world with his champions league/ national team performances.
 

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1m per week. Bloody hell. That is just what they are officially paying him.
Which does not include the incremental signing on fee, agent fee, whatever else fee to whomever else. How does PSG get all this money without top commercial deals and domestic and oversees TV deals found in the PL?

Messi and his father saw the equal opportunity of best wages and best opportunity to compete for the CL, with domestic success coming 2nd. To top it off, he'll live in luxury in Paris.
 

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Of course. That's £75 million over 2 years.

You've already spent way more than that (plus whatever wages Sancho & Varane are on) this summer.

You could absolutely afford to pay crazy wages, you just don't want to (and that's perfectly reasonable).
I'm surprised Roman didn't make a move, he's always been a huge Messi fan and he could certainly afford it. Was Chelsea ever in the running?
 

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Yes, a year after they had reduced revenue. So again, we ask...where did this injection of revenue immediately come from enabling them to fund these players? Signing on fees and agent fees are tremendous expenses that are immediate payments.

And how can PSG earn 112M from this year's semi final when Chelsea and City earned about 74M before Chelsea won, which would have maxed them out at around 100M?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soc...ue-prize-money-2021/5i1j0n2hh9r01ffvgqfsp541l
You don't need revenues to fund that, you can just get short term loans from banks, open lines of credit, issue securities etc. until you receive some money, companies do that all the time. Your mixing up revenues with available cash.

As for what PSG earned for their CL final, i didn't invent it :
https://www.rtl.fr/sport/football/l...millions-d-euros-pour-son-parcours-7900028161
https://www.cnews.fr/sport/2021-05-...orter-les-parcours-du-psg-de-lom-et-de-rennes
 

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Well if you own an entire country, finding "loans" won't be an issue.
 

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Earn a shitload, play for a stacked team whose undisputed star player is already a huge friend and admirer, play for a coach that knows you, in an easy league that could prolong yout career, while living in Paris.....

It's not exactly a hard choice...
 

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You don't need revenues to fund that, you can just get short term loans from banks, open lines of credit, issue securities etc. until you receive some money, companies do that all the time. Your mixing up revenues with available cash.

As for what PSG earned for their CL final, i didn't invent it :
https://www.rtl.fr/sport/football/l...millions-d-euros-pour-son-parcours-7900028161
https://www.cnews.fr/sport/2021-05-...orter-les-parcours-du-psg-de-lom-et-de-rennes
Why are you on a United site arguing with strangers? I'd be out with my mates enjoying some bubbly

:p
 

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Earn a shitload, play for a stacked team whose undisputed star player is already a huge friend and admirer, play for a coach that knows you, in an easy league that could prolong yout career, while living in Paris.....

It's not exactly a hard choice...
Yeah it’s a no brainer too be fair. Obviously he wont be judged on the league but the CL like Neymar.
I know only one team can win the CL but if they fail to win it with that front 3 then they have failed.
 

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Yeah but they very rarely sell out though. I've always seen empty seats at their games.
The Parc des Prince is often full. Now they have had issues with their ultras who were banned a few years ago(many are still not back) but if there is one fanbase that goes to the stadium even in bad times it will be PSG fans. With a short period during the Colony Capital era but even then the rate was fairly high.
 

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You don't need revenues to fund that, you can just get short term loans from banks, open lines of credit, issue securities etc. until you receive some money, companies do that all the time. Your mixing up revenues with available cash.

As for what PSG earned for their CL final, i didn't invent it :
https://www.rtl.fr/sport/football/l...millions-d-euros-pour-son-parcours-7900028161
https://www.cnews.fr/sport/2021-05-...orter-les-parcours-du-psg-de-lom-et-de-rennes
Yes, the short term loans from banks, open lines of credit, issue securities....also known as the QSi? Yet, you're not supposed to be able to take out loans and lines of credit to pay wages...Arsenal took out loans and credit, as did other clubs, because loan interest rates were so low.

Overall point that I and many people been trying to make is that PSG has a loaded bankroll and they are benefiting from it. There's no shame in calling a spade, a spade. All the more it makes PSG a preferred destination and easier to attract players in such a farmer league.

A high tide doesn't raise all boats in this case. Great that Messi stays in Europe and we can all watch him and his mates in CL and one or two domestic league games. But to say that PSG's Qatari owners don't heavily support this club in more ways than one, is wrong.
 

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Uniteds Instagram currently has 42.2m

PSG with 41.2m

Let’s see how much M€$$i makes them leapfrog us.
PSG recruited players AFTER the beginning of this fiscal year, they didn't unlock more budget last year, they basically have a whole year to find revenues to offset any increase in expenses, with a full stadium, transfers, new partnerships etc. Also, the club earned 126M by reaching the CL final 2 seasons ago and 112M for this year's semi final.
why do you feel the need to lie to justify oil/gas money pumped into the deal?
According to UEFA, over €2 billion was distributed to the clubs who participated in the 2019-20 tournament, with the winning team eligible to take home as much as €82,400,000 in total prize money

the runner ups earn 78m. semi finalists earn about 60m. Dont make up numbers.
 

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why do you feel the need to lie to justify oil/gas money pumped into the deal?
According to UEFA, over €2 billion was distributed to the clubs who participated in the 2019-20 tournament, with the winning team eligible to take home as much as €82,400,000 in total prize money

the runner ups earn 78m. semi finalists earn about 60m. Dont make up numbers.
Listen, i'm pretty tired of you guys showing up with uninformed opinions and accusations of dishonesty when you're in fact only trying to make crooked facts fit your anti PSG narrative.

The figures you give are only the prize pool, at the end of the tournament UEFA ads the TV rights clubs earn according to their market share and how much viewers pay in each country. And believe it or not, a lot of people watch PSG.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/f...e-bayern-f9c85a82-aca8-11eb-bcfd-058885220c6f
https://www.goal.com/fr/news/ligue-...us-grosse-dotation/1a2j1kr85pq4q1f8fehwy0iiv8
https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-s...igue-des-champions-en-termes-de-gains-1233470

Do you need more?

Maybe you can't read french, i'll help you :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...rs-Bayern-Munich-despite-final-heartache.html
 

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Close to the salary DDG + Sanchez got. I wonder what the best investment is. (PS : nobody knows what the real salary is, i've seen different figures all day).
not even close, That is the salary of Luke shaw+ Magiure+Bruno+DDG+Pogba all together.
 

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We know jersey's are just a little part of the increased revenues. Even if PSG sells 300 000 Messi jersey (totally doable), PSG would only make around 9M.
There's no surprise it's already sold out, the stocks were probably pretty slim considering they only had a couple of days to manufacture the 1st batch.

Exactly. Add to that the football fans are so gullible when it comes to what the PR department at clubs publishes, hence why you get the jersey sale myth. Clubs can whitewash every action they make and fans lap it up, especially if it goes through journalist channels. And maybe now it will become some established truth that Messi will increase tourism to Paris by several percent.

What's funny about PSG shirt sales is that their shirt has been a hipster choice for years, regardless of players representing the club. My oldest has bought the jersey the last two years, solely because the shirt design is cool among his friends. Wonder how much that has affected the shirt sales over the years.

On a sidenote it has annoyed me for a while how bad United's PR department is compared to Liverpool (who got every Liverpool-based journo dancing to their tune) and City's (who are the best in the business).

Other than that, congrats on a fantastic signing to top of a legendary transfer summer for you guys. Can understand why he chose PSG both from a financial and sporting view.
 

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You don't need revenues to fund that, you can just get short term loans from banks, open lines of credit, issue securities etc. until you receive some money, companies do that all the time. Your mixing up revenues with available cash.

As for what PSG earned for their CL final, i didn't invent it :
https://www.rtl.fr/sport/football/l...millions-d-euros-pour-son-parcours-7900028161
https://www.cnews.fr/sport/2021-05-...orter-les-parcours-du-psg-de-lom-et-de-rennes
From what I gather, PSG are except from FFP until 2023 for some reason relating to the French League, but I have not bothered to look up and verify that so take it with a grain of salt.

PSG is of course owned by a corporate entity that for the purposes of football, has near endless funds available in QSI. QSI is a subsidiary of Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) who sits on an estimated $300+ billion USD worth of assets. QIA is owned by the State of Qatar.

For all intents and purposes, PSG is owned by Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar.

It's difficult to put numbers into a relatable scale, but as far as Leo Messis weekly wage goes, it's barely even money for these people.

But oh boy PSG needs to offload players and shed salaries very soon.
 

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Exactly. Add to that the football fans are so gullible when it comes to what the PR department at clubs publishes, hence why you get the jersey sale myth. Clubs can whitewash every action they make and fans lap it up, especially if it goes through journalist channels. And maybe now it will become some established truth that Messi will increase tourism to Paris by several percent.

What's funny about PSG shirt sales is that their shirt has been a hipster choice for years, regardless of players representing the club. My oldest has bought the jersey the last two years, solely because the shirt design is cool among his friends. Wonder how much that has affected the shirt sales over the years.
PSG had to find new ways to generate income, that's why they went with Jordan. I don't have all the numbers in mind but i do know it increase a LOT in the last couple of years between Neymar/Mbappé and Jordan, especially in north america.
 

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From what I gather, PSG are except from FFP until 2023 for some reason relating to the French League, but I have not bothered to look up and verify that so take it with a grain of salt.

PSG is of course owned by a corporate entity that for the purposes of football, has near endless funds available in QSI. QSI is a subsidiary of Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) who sits on an estimated $300+ billion USD worth of assets. QIA is owned by the State of Qatar.

For all intents and purposes, PSG is owned by Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar.

It's difficult to put numbers into a relatable scale, but as far as Leo Messis weekly wage goes, it's barely even money for these people.

But oh boy PSG needs to offload players and shed salaries very soon.
Not really, it's just that the french FFP (enforced by the DNCG) decided to apply a 70% salary cap but it'll only start in 2023, it's not about UEFA's FFP, it's 2 different things. So basically, by the time it starts Mbappé will be gone a Messi (probaby) as well.

And we do need to offload players, the club has been trying to sell for a couple of weeks now (Sarabia will probably be the 1st to go, i don't see Icardi staying etc.).
 

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Listen, i'm pretty tired of you guys showing up with uninformed opinions and accusations of dishonesty when you're in fact only trying to make crooked facts fit your anti PSG narrative.

The figures you give are only the prize pool, at the end of the tournament UEFA ads the TV rights clubs earn according to their market share and how much viewers pay in each country. And believe it or not, a lot of people watch PSG.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/f...e-bayern-f9c85a82-aca8-11eb-bcfd-058885220c6f
https://www.goal.com/fr/news/ligue-...us-grosse-dotation/1a2j1kr85pq4q1f8fehwy0iiv8
https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-s...igue-des-champions-en-termes-de-gains-1233470

Do you need more?

Maybe you can't read french, i'll help you :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...rs-Bayern-Munich-despite-final-heartache.html
No body watches PSG.
 

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I agree that it's a great move for him. There is no such thing as walking the CL with ease though. Always the potential to be knocked out. But he's playing in a team that's built for the here and now and he has a fellow countryman manager and quite a few friends already in the team with a club that pays him what he wants and his family get to swap Barcelona (amazing city) for Paris (fabulous city).
And so many of us who have hitherto not given a monkeys about the French league are getting excited to tune in to watch that lineup.

Doesn't mean that it isn't hollow, akin to City, as it most definitely is. But in terms of the football, it has to be said, it's quite an exciting prospect.
I agree! I’m very excited to see him in a PSG jersey and he looks great in it too!
 

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Seems you have real problems with anything related to... well, numbers, do you?
Seems you have problems with justifying a plastic club buying a new toy as a PR stunt to coverup human rights breaches.
You know plastic is made of oil, no wonder so many plastics support PSG :D.
 

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Nobody is saying they aint cnut regime, they doing similar shit as western countries in the past just with huge lag.
Western countries are still doing plenty of shit all over the world, don’t get it twisted. That’s why I can only chuckle at people talking about Qatar, China etc like they’re the epitome of evil. Take the beam out of your own eye first, as a very wise person once said……
 

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So is he playing this weekend? Need to sort my ligue 1 tv deal stuff by then if so
 

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Listen, i'm pretty tired of you guys showing up with uninformed opinions and accusations of dishonesty when you're in fact only trying to make crooked facts fit your anti PSG narrative.

The figures you give are only the prize pool, at the end of the tournament UEFA ads the TV rights clubs earn according to their market share and how much viewers pay in each country. And believe it or not, a lot of people watch PSG.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/f...e-bayern-f9c85a82-aca8-11eb-bcfd-058885220c6f
https://www.goal.com/fr/news/ligue-...us-grosse-dotation/1a2j1kr85pq4q1f8fehwy0iiv8
https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-s...igue-des-champions-en-termes-de-gains-1233470

Do you need more?

Maybe you can't read french, i'll help you :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...rs-Bayern-Munich-despite-final-heartache.html
Arrête de les prendre pour des cons en leur balançant un article qui ne supporte aucunement ta thèse de départ.

You know what the article says, prize money split is not proportional to viewership, it's proportional to certain conditions which were favourable to them.

Nobody's watching the league outside of France.
 

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ADM was one of our best players before his form took a nose dive with the robbery and all that.

Messi would shit all over this league

He's joining PSG as he has friends there, they're a much better prospect than any team here that would have probably been interested and it's a beautiful city for someone who has a settled family. Plus the money of course.

What a fecking team though, if they don't win the CL now, they never will
He may have been our best player, but he never figured out how to avoid contact with the robust tackling in England. They would put in a tackle and smash a leg on his way through, and he was so slight it was clear it had an effect on him. I think he needed to draw some yellow cards by sucking defenders into tackles, drawing enough superficial contact for a foul while avoiding getting clattered. After a few of those defenders have to back up.

Messi is a different level, he'd avoid tackles on another level, but defenders would get their knocks in, everyone is gonna wanna say they knocked Messi to the ground. But I admit I think it would be a fatigue issue, not an ability to avoid tackles issue.

France is like the minor league of football, where you play before a big team buys you. Yes, PSG are a big team now, but they only face other top teams in the CL, and I think they suffer from not being pushed to improve by other top teams.
 

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Say what you want about Messi, Barca and PSG but for Messi this can't be all that bad career wise. PSG should be the favourites to win Champions League. Gets paid a shit ton.. and he's got the I-couldn't-stay-despite-offering-to-cut-wage-by-50-percent-card. Barcelona is a mess anyways.
 

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Don't exactly know why everybody (broadly speaking) here is mad at Messi for Barca's wage structure fallout and wanting to get paid more. It's not like he needs to prove anything to anybody, and despite their one-horse nature of domestic league, PSG is very competitive in Europe so he still has a very good shot at another CL.

Now if you're mad at the Qatari for enabling sugar daddy tactics and more importantly their brutal regime that's a different story.
 
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Exactly, now tell me what western country own Manchester united or Liverpool or any of the big historical clubs and use the club as a PR machine?
Western countries don’t need to use football clubs as PR machines, they already have fantastic PR in almost every other aspect of human life. That’s why they can bomb other countries to smithereens and take all their resources without anyone seeming to notice or care. That’s why they can talk about this or that country shouldn’t have nuclear weapons when only one country has ever used them in war, and it ain’t Iran (newsflash). But all this is for another thread perhaps………