No they didn't. First of all in Chelsea you don't get season free and you don't live on former glory. You can win double but if you start badly next season, you are fired.
Based on watching Arsenal. They're a complete shit show of a team. Void of ideas going forward, comically bad defending, they show no heart, no team spirit and Arteta hasn't really improved a single player there since he took over and he makes terrible signings.
I'm not even sure of that, if I'm honest. Moyes seems better tactically at least. I feel he got a bum deal here, but that's a discussion for another thread.
He really hasn’t though. I really doubt he would have lasted long in both Arsenal or Chelsea either.
I don't rate any of them . But we are talking who is better manager. Ole had 3 times better squad than Arteta. We can't tell how Arteta would do in United and we can't tell how Ole would do there.
Well unfortunately at Arsenal you can’t attract players like Varane and Sancho.
Definitely better than Lampard, but that's a low bar. With Arteta he's obviously done better in terms of league finishes but with the caveat that a) he inherited a much better squad, and b) he's spent more money and has the draw of Manchester United to help bring in better players. I think Arteta is constantly putting out fires at Arsenal, who don't act like a big club at all but still have that expectation from their fans.
While I’m not sure about that maybe if both where at West Ham then yeah as Moyes didn’t have a clue here.
what rebuild job has he done? buy/sell players? that’s standard, and it has amounted to nothing and we’re still the same inconsistent team. Yes, to me he’s a bum as a manager.
Same I hated Moyes with a passion but if he got 3 years he’d have us where Ole had us now but we’d actually have a style. But like you said for another thread.
No chance at all. I think you're forgetting history.
It's not like Arsenal haven't spent under Arteta. Difference is Ole has spent on the likes of Bruno while Arteta splashes £30M+ on Aaron Ramsdale. It will be hard to find an Arsenal fan who gives a shit about that FA Cup after two consecutive mid table finishes. feck knows how they won that, another Wigan I guess.
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Well there is a reason Moyes didn’t get longer than he got. Players started disliking him very soon and we all know the reasons for that as well.
Why do you criticize players then? Why don't you grow a pair and support every player? Show support to Martial or James or Matic or Fred. What is the difference?
Was comparing him to club legend status rather than managers. No way to treat a club legend is it?
Fully agree.
I agree that people don't need to throw insults at Ole, but that's a terrible analogy. Wenger revolutionised football in England and actually won things.
Dragging a title winning side down to 7th will do that.
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Arteta has spent enough so it's his fault he doesn have a good squad. Why do people act as if he is working on a limited budget. Who cares if we won a fa cup. So you would have been happy if we had finished 8th and won a FA cup.
The manager got us 2nd place in the toughest league in the world. Hahahaha. How is that sack worthy?
What’s that now? A manager who felt we needed a rebuild when he was actually right and tried to get players like Toni Kroos, Luke Shaw and Ander Herrera and don’t for one minute think LVG came in and said let’s get them guys. These deals had already been done.
One draw and that absolute chancer Delaney is out in force again.
Yeah LVG got enough money and he took us to 5th so yeah let us stop pretending he was working on limited budget.
I agree with you Moyes just didn’t have it for a big club but the opposite is true aswell Ole wouldn’t be doing what Moyes is doing at West Ham for me
What was main excuse for Ole? Needs his own team. Lampard bought zero players and finished in top 4. And i think that his team played better football (subjective, i know). Again, it is comparing couple of average managers. Hard to compare.
Like clockwork. Always the same posters. They stay away from the Ole thread during winning runs and start posting non stop as soon as he doesn’t win a game.One draw and Ole is worse than lampard arteta and Moyes.
Wasn't comparing them as coaches. Ole is a club legend like Wenger is for them. Different reasons but still legends.
I agree, mate.
Explain what you actually mean so I can respond to you.
Football is a result business and Ole may not have won a trophy yet but deserve far more respect than the other two. As for better football, well like you said that is subjective.
I was not talking about that. I was talking about that myth which you and some other posters promote here. Who doesn't support manager (think that he is not good) hates Ole and is not true fan. Meanwhile, that doesn't stand for players. Why? Since when is manager=club? Manager is part of the squad. Just like players.
We’ve been asking him this for a year. He always sidesteps it and has done it again I see.
