Phil Jones | released summer 2023

[VanDeBank]

Well done at entirely missing the point.

Shall we keep giving contracts to other players who become permanently injured as well, just keep them all happy on the bench together costing us a fortune? Ya know, because we are a ‘multi million company’.

I wonder why not a single other club in Europe operates that way? Hmmm

Also if I’m permanently out of work I don’t get to keep my job because of labour laws, wages are reduced and your laid off if your not fit for purpose in the role.

right back at ya. Yes the contract was comical, but I was referring to:

I remember a story Keane ripped into two players he was managing (can’t remember where) becuase they were on the bench injured and chatting and laughing, I can imagine it’s the same sort of feeling that irks Rio.

Keano/Rio/random caf members would be morons if they thought an injured player has to wear a long face face for the duration of the injury.

Plenty of developed countries require an employer to continue paying a significant percentage of wages for a significant period of time when an employee is unable to work for reasons not even related to the job.

I'm assuming Jones' injuries are related to his line of work. I don't think he's stubbing his toe on the bed drawer he forgot to close to properly every week. It'd be silly if a company could just stop paying you while you're under contract because you got injured doing what they pay you for.

 

[Sassy Colin]

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...-Jim-White-clowns-ove-Phil-Jones-remarks.html

 

[Ajr]

When was the last game he played 90 minutes that he did well in?

 

[RUCK4444]

right back at ya. Yes the contract was comical, but I was referring to:



Keano/Rio/random caf members would be morons if they thought an injured player has to wear a long face face for the duration of the injury.

Plenty of developed countries require an employer to continue paying a significant percentage of wages for a significant period of time when an employee is unable to work for reasons not even related to the job.

I'm assuming Jones' injuries are related to his line of work. I don't think he's stubbing his toe on the bed drawer he forgot to close to properly every week. It'd be silly if a company could just stop paying you while you're under contract because you got injured doing what they pay you for.

We’re talking about renewing his contract, why on earth would we do that when we know he’s permanently unavailable. Mental decision.

He doesn’t even play competitive games to be classed as ‘on the job injury.’ But I’m sure you will claim it’s still our fault he can’t pull himself together for a signal PL match in how long now?

I’ve nothing against Jones other than the fact we’ve been stupid enough to renew his contract.

 

[golden_blunder]

Just seeing the Rio quotes. Rio played with him, no way on earth he says that unless he has serious reservations with the player (obviously.)

I remember a story Keane ripped into two players he was managing (can’t remember where) becuase they were on the bench injured and chatting and laughing, I can imagine it’s the same sort of feeling that irks Rio.

These guys are elite athletes with immense drive to succeed, if your not part of the solution in providing that success then your part of the problem. That is the mentality you HAVE to have to win anything at this level.

He’s only talking now because at this point it’s literally past the point of becoming a joke how Phil is still here. What’s he supposed to say?

He could say “Phil is a great lad who has been very unlucky with injuries.I think given that they have now bought Varane, Phil should look at moving out somewhere where he play regularly and show that he’s last past this injury. It’s not that long ago he was in the England squad you know”

instead he went against squad harmony and chose to be that bellend analyst

 

[VanDeBank]

We’re talking about renewing his contract

No, we're not. His contract was renewed a while back. It's not something that is on the table now.

I even specified what I was referring to in your post. Read:

Yes the contract was comical, but I was referring to:

I’ve nothing against Jones other than the fact we’ve been stupid enough to renew his contract.

I never said it wasn't silly. Stop arguing with yourself, or at least stop quoting me while you're doing it.

 

[RUCK4444]

He could say “Phil is a great lad who has been very unlucky with injuries.I think given that they have now bought Varane, Phil should look at moving out somewhere where he play regularly and show that he’s last past this injury. It’s not that long ago he was in the England squad you know”

instead he went against squad harmony and chose to be that bellend analyst

Or he could be an honest pundit which is exactly what he has been here imo.

 

[golden_blunder]

Or he could be an honest pundit which is exactly what he has been here imo.

Honest? He’s gone past that and been a bit nasty. I get that people are frustrated by the Jones scenario but putting their anger on to Jones is wrong. He’s done nothing but literally put his body on the line for United. Those slagging off Jones are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Uniquim]

I've tried to see if this was mentioned, but I don't think so:

The Athletic are reporting that Mengi & Phil Jones are to be kept in the squad for this season.
"Manchester United are set to keep hold of Phil Jones and Teden Mengi beyond the transfer deadline of August 31.
"It is expected that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will work with both centre-backs rather than send either out on loan
"Jones, 29, is working his way back to full fitness after more than a year out with a knee injury, while Mengi, 19, is back in full training after a minor knock.
[...]

Does Jones have a future at the club?
"Jones has a contract until 2023, with the option of a further year, so he will be a fixture at United for some time to come.
"Still yet to turn 30, and as one of the few Premier League winners in United’s squad, there is hope that after a long lay-off he can finally reach full fitness and provide an option to Solskjaer.
"He came through the friendly against Burnley well and another game has been lined up at Carrington next week for Jones and others to tune up further.
"The prospect of a loan or sale this summer has been explored but in reality clubs will wait for Jones to prove he is free of the problems that have blighted his last 18 months before taking a chance."

 

[stevoc]

I've tried to see if this was mentioned, but I don't think so:

The Athletic are reporting that Mengi & Phil Jones are to be kept in the squad for this season.
"Manchester United are set to keep hold of Phil Jones and Teden Mengi beyond the transfer deadline of August 31.
"It is expected that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will work with both centre-backs rather than send either out on loan
"Jones, 29, is working his way back to full fitness after more than a year out with a knee injury, while Mengi, 19, is back in full training after a minor knock.
[...]

Does Jones have a future at the club?
"Jones has a contract until 2023, with the option of a further year, so he will be a fixture at United for some time to come.
"Still yet to turn 30, and as one of the few Premier League winners in United’s squad, there is hope that after a long lay-off he can finally reach full fitness and provide an option to Solskjaer.
"He came through the friendly against Burnley well and another game has been lined up at Carrington next week for Jones and others to tune up further.
"The prospect of a loan or sale this summer has been explored but in reality clubs will wait for Jones to prove he is free of the problems that have blighted his last 18 months before taking a chance."

Keeping Mengi makes sense as you can't go into a season relying on Jones and Bailly as back-ups. Jones after being out for almost 2 years and working his way back to fitness has understandably attracted no interest which is why he won't be going out on loan.

 

[golden_blunder]

Keeping Mengi makes sense as you can't go into a season relying on Jones and Bailly as back-ups. Jones after being out for almost 2 years and working his way back to fitness has understandably attracted no interest which is why he won't be going out on loan.

Right so can we put this nonsense to bed now everyone, Phil Jones is playing back to fitness and therefore won’t be going anywhere

 

[Florida Man]

Keeping Mengi makes sense as you can't go into a season relying on Jones and Bailly as back-ups. Jones after being out for almost 2 years and working his way back to fitness has understandably attracted no interest which is why he won't be going out on loan.

I forgot that Bailly existed

 

[lex talionis]

Do we have any idea what Jones did to his knee? I keep reading about a "knee injury" but I've never seen details. ACL, knee replacement...what?

 

[Red Shorts]

Is the Jones transfer forum thread more for when hes off to hospital rather than another club?

 

[stevoc]

Do we have any idea what Jones did to his knee? I keep reading about a "knee injury" but I've never seen details. ACL, knee replacement...what?

Solskjaer and the club have been pretty vague about the specifics of the injury he's been missing with.

 

[Seij]

Is the Jones transfer forum thread more for when hes off to hospital rather than another club?

Was surprised to see his name in the transfer forum. There is being unrealistic and there is talking about someone buying Phil Jones.

 

[Needham]

It's sad really. His testimonial would make Pellegrini's City farewell look like the Rio Carnival.

 

[choccy77]

To all those saying bad things about Mr Jones.

Just remember, he's had plenty of spare time to find out where y'all live.

Just saying........

 

[Sanchez7]

Ole got a bit emotional speaking about him at the press conference today. I know we all take the micky out of him but sometimes the it's good to see the human aspect of these things. In before someone mentions 100k/week.

 

[Hughie77]

He wont go, if he was hed have given up his number to Varane, his new contract was silly have to wait it out I think.

 

[R_Cubed]

"To be fair to Phil Jones, I’ve not seen him come out and speak and clarify, he might have had injuries we don’t know about. But if he’s been fit and has been sitting there like he has been, sign a new deal and stay and not go out on loan… that’s not what a footballer wants to do.

"If I was in the squad with someone like that I wouldn’t talk to them. They are a waste of time, why would I chat to you and give you any energy, taking that away from my other teammates who are here to play and go into battle for 90 minutes every week."

Doesn't make any sense. If Rio doesn't know s**t, like what he says in the first couple of lines, then he should keep his trap shut, rather than go on a rant like what he does in the next 2 lines.

Rio is lying. He knows about a lot that goes on at the club and in the dressing room. I think that he is trying not to say too much. He may know that the manager wanted Jones to go on loan and he has refused.

 

[R_Cubed]

Rio's never so harsh on anyone. If he feels the need to say that, it probably means he either has intel that Phil is lacking ambition or he wants him to show some to save his career. Phil is still only 29 and considering how little mileage he has on his legs, he could play for a good 5 years in the right situation.

Exactly. People seem to think that Rio is trying to be harsh without any knowledge. Rio knows things but does not want to speak out publicly with any certainty which might out whoever spoke to him.

 

[R_Cubed]

Ole got a bit emotional speaking about him at the press conference today. I know we all take the micky out of him but sometimes the it's good to see the human aspect of these things. In before someone mentions 100k/week.

He can be as emotional as he wants but having some level of ruthlessness is required to succeed at the top. His "kindness" to me is now a weakness and I wonder if it is a sign that Ole just isn't a top-level manager. Wasn't Phil Jones pictured a couple years ago speaking to Ed Woodward negatively about Ole? At some point Ole needs to show some sort of strength and stop being this sweet, nice guy.

 

[Brophs]

So the latest stick to beat Phil Jones with is "if Rio said something needlessly nasty about him, a former team mate, then it's only because he knows what's going on in the dressing room secretly". Bloody hell, lads. Have a night off.

 

[R_Cubed]

Rio's words were harsh no doubt but he's only saying what a lot of fans are thinking. And he's obviously mostly speaking in hypotheticals as someone outside looking in.

Maybe it'll motivate Jones prove him wrong either at United or elsewhere.

Jones doesn't have the capacity to prove Rio or anyone wrong. Not giving up the #4 for me was the last straw for me.

 

[OL29]

Jones doesn't have the capacity to prove Rio or anyone wrong. Not giving up the #4 for me was the last straw for me.

Was this actually confirmed? Even if it was, he’s not obliged to give it up and that shouldn’t offend anyone.

 

[Revan]

Was this actually confirmed? Even if it was, he’s not obliged to give it up and that shouldn’t offend anyone.

To be fair, it is the club’s decision. His number should have been taken away regardless of his wishes (we did that with Martial, a player who was more important to the team).

 

[OL29]

To be fair, it is the club’s decision. His number should have been taken away regardless of his wishes (we did that with Martial, a player who was more important to the team).

If that’s the case, shouldn’t the anger be directed at the club? I didn’t agree with it for Martial and I don’t agree with it for Jones. It just doesn’t sit right.

 

[Revan]

If that’s the case, shouldn’t the anger be directed at the club? I didn’t agree with it for Martial and I don’t agree with it for Jones. It just doesn’t sit right.

Yep, Jones has done nothing wrong. The club have been idiots to offer him a new contract, and now, to not get the number from him.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Poor Phil

 

[R_Cubed]

Was this actually confirmed? Even if it was, he’s not obliged to give it up and that shouldn’t offend anyone.

My attitude is you haven't played in almost 2 years. Give up the number and work your way back. Set ambitious goals about games you want to play and take that number. He could have taken #24 for the number of games he hoped to play this season. Unless of course he only aims to play 4 games this season.

 

[MrSingh2002]

If Rio knows something we don't then I'm glad he's airing it.

The club were wrong to offer Jones an extension and Jones is a muppet not to give Varane the number 4.

If Jones is now injury free he needs to go or atleast out on loan.

 

[VanDeBank]

Keeping Mengi makes sense as you can't go into a season relying on Jones and Bailly as back-ups. Jones after being out for almost 2 years and working his way back to fitness has understandably attracted no interest which is why he won't be going out on loan.

Lindelof is a back up too and McTominay can play there as well. I think Mengi is needed in the reserves and that's why he's staying. Bernard is going out on loan and I'm assuming the 15 & 16 year olds in the U18s aren't ready to be promoted.

If Rio knows something we don't then I'm glad he's airing it.

The club were wrong to offer Jones an extension and Jones is a muppet not to give Varane the number 4.

If Jones is now injury free he needs to go or atleast out on loan.

Rio doesn't know things we don't, or at least we can't be sure of that, because he never specified anything about Jones. That's the problem. People (like you) expect him to have inside information when he speaks out on something. Maybe he knows when the sprinkers go on but not the details of Jones' situation?

 

[R_Cubed]

Poor Phil

There's nothing poor about Phil. He makes what only about the top 0.25% of people in The UK make. He has not played in about 18 months and has collected 7.2 million pounds in that time. Nothing poor about this man. Rich, Phil. Very, very rich Phil.

 

[golden_blunder]

There's nothing poor about Phil. He makes what only about the top 0.25% of people in The UK make. He has not played in about 18 months and has collected 7.2 million pounds in that time. Nothing poor about this man. Rich, Phil. Very, very rich Phil.

He’s a footballer and you’re not. Get over it.
Judging a player who is coming back from a serious injury and trying to get fitness back by money is immature

 

[Tom Cato]

There's nothing poor about Phil. He makes what only about the top 0.25% of people in The UK make. He has not played in about 18 months and has collected 7.2 million pounds in that time. Nothing poor about this man. Rich, Phil. Very, very rich Phil.

Rich people don't have problems. - R_cubed, 2021

 

[Drainy]

If Rio knows something we don't then I'm glad he's airing it.

The club were wrong to offer Jones an extension and Jones is a muppet not to give Varane the number 4.

If Jones is now injury free he needs to go or atleast out on loan.

Obviously Rio can say what he wants, but he does talk off the top of his head at times.

Its easy to say from outside that he should see the writing on the wall and move on for his career, but as a fellow professional and former teammate its disrespectful and Ole is rightly slapping him down for it.

 

[R_Cubed]

Rich people don't have problems. - R_cubed, 2021

Rich people do have problems! They are as human and prone to folly and misfortune as much as you and I. However, Phil has allegedly refused loans, refused to give up a shirt number and was seen on video criticizing Solskjaer to Ed Woodward because Solskjaer wasn't picking him when he felt that he was "fit". This is part of the reason Rio went in on him. Do I agree with how Rio handled it? No, I do not. However, Phil has flaws and it's hard to be sympathetic to him if even just one of these stories are true. It shows a $ h I T T Y individual who has narcissistic traits.

 

[POF]

"To be fair to Phil Jones, I’ve not seen him come out and speak and clarify, he might have had injuries we don’t know about. But if he’s been fit and has been sitting there like he has been, sign a new deal and stay and not go out on loan… that’s not what a footballer wants to do.

"If I was in the squad with someone like that I wouldn’t talk to them. They are a waste of time, why would I chat to you and give you any energy, taking that away from my other teammates who are here to play and go into battle for 90 minutes every week."

Doesn't make any sense. If Rio doesn't know s**t, like what he says in the first couple of lines, then he should keep his trap shut, rather than go on a rant like what he does in the next 2 lines.

It makes perfect sense. Rio is an excellent PR guy. He slammed Jones because he's a figure of fun and an easy target. "Jones is a waster, the polar opposite of a born winner and leader of men like me".

Everything he does is geared towards enhancing his reputation and making him seem like he was some sort of Roy Keane type inspirational leader at Utd.

If you get in the media and say it often enough it becomes true.

 

[Devil may care]

One of the strange things with Jones is that it's never been clear what the last 18 months of injuries have been.

Rich people do have problems! They are as human and prone to folly and misfortune as much as you and I. However, Phil has allegedly refused loans, refused to give up a shirt number and was seen on video criticizing Solskjaer to Ed Woodward because Solskjaer wasn't picking him when he felt that he was "fit". This is part of the reason Rio went in on him. Do I agree with how Rio handled it? No, I do not. However, Phil has flaws and it's hard to be sympathetic to him if even just one of these stories are true. It shows a $ h I T T Y individual who has narcissistic traits.

What?