Yeah, Jose felt he can't take the club any higher so acted like a twat intentionally for greater good of the club, Really credit to him for taking that path.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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He still doesn't fill me with any major confidence. He still feels like a manager who picks a bunch of players and hopes for the best more often than not, it rarely feels like there is real tactics other than to "stretch the game and hit on the break"
The only reason the forum isn't in meltdown over a loss right now is just sheer luck. Played off the park by Wolves and they created more and better quality chances than us. Also quite lucky on the goal that it wasn't called a foul. Our team looks like a bunch of strangers on the pitch that have never played together before and are just getting by on individual talent.
A valuable win, but OGS will know more than anyone that that's two sketchy away performances in a row now.
The immense quality in the ranks will get us out of a hole a lot of the time, but won't be enough to take that next step up.
The immense quality in the ranks will get us out of a hole a lot of the time, but won't be enough to take that next step up.
I think it will be like last year in that it evens out when we play better teams, as in we perform better against the good teams.
Defensive wise we are sound. But i just dont think Ole is getting the best out of the attack. We are not terrible, but i just think we could be better.
Defensive wise we are sound. But i just dont think Ole is getting the best out of the attack. We are not terrible, but i just think we could be better.
Which demonstrates what a shitfest this forum can be at times. You can bet your left bollock that if it was Liverpool or City scraping a win against Wolves, it would be an example of how they're capable of getting scruffy wins and we are not.
We play like England. Much better players but somehow never quite gel but the overall number of better players can pull us through. Always looks like the team is off. Something not right. And that something is tactically. And when it comes to the crunch games we fold.
For a moment I forgot we won the game because of the negativity. I think the negativity is valid though but I remain patient and see how the season pans out. The objective is there - Challenge for the title
Every good team needs to grind out results from time to time, but two shitty performances out of three is not an encouraging start to the season. I'd say one shitty performance per 4-5 games is acceptable, and to be expected.
It's very worrying. We may have some very good players but we have an average manager. I think we're in for a shock and I can see us falling way behind city, Chelsea and even Liverpool by January.
We are 3 games into the season. Half the squad has barely been training for two weeks. 3rd place on the table, 1st had it not been for Spurs who have been shithousing themselves to three undeserved 1-0 wins in a row
Is this Redcafe or Arsenalmania?
Of course, but my duty is to manutd and nobody else. When I see someone out of his depth, it is my duty to speak up and not bury my head in the sand.
I will be critical of him but will continue to support the team.
He’s been gold in the transfer market so I’m looking forward to seeing what he does with CDM. Center mid is the only position he hasn’t bought anyone and has been getting by with players bought under Jose or from the academy.
Great smash and grab win.
We had a lot of those under Fergie
I can't wrap my head around the so called Manchester United fans who come crawling in here after a win to blast the manager.
I can understand it after a loss, since football fandom can be emotional.
After a win.. sorry not having that
We had a lot of those under Fergie
I can't wrap my head around the so called Manchester United fans who come crawling in here after a win to blast the manager.
I can understand it after a loss, since football fandom can be emotional.
After a win.. sorry not having that
That's not a fair comparison with City and you know it. They smash teams on a regular basis so the occasional scruffy win is placed in that context. United on the other hand had many more unconvincing wins last season and whilst it is still very early in the season, the signs aren't particularly encouraging that it is going to change.
Which he's basically built.
I'm happier now than I was under the previous 3 managers for a very specific reason. We are not continuously shit game after game. Have we played shit under ole? Absolutely, but it's not continuously shit. Thankfully our progress is on an upward trajectory with the odd shit performance thrown in. I'm happy with that.
on the day we win PL or CL people will come here and say: “anyone can win with Ronaldo and Varane, lucky lucky Ole, coaching, double pivot, no pattern, blah blah“…
Unfortunately you can have all the best attacking players in the world but if you can’t control a game then you will really struggle. Premier league is very different to a decade back and at least 15 out of the 20 teams can post really good lineups with international players who can compete & control the game so this is my big worry with Ole . We won’t have enough of the ball in good areas to actually hurt teams
With all due respect you're a Rosenberg supporter, you dont watch us.
People have every right to complain, this not some dictatorship mate.
It's fine if people say we are playing badly as compared to teams our level despite having being backed with all the time in the world.
It's also a fair record considering where we are coming from, my issue is with the performance, it doesnt fill me with confidence.That's the full stat at 99 games. This tweet just cut it so that Ole appears top 3 or something.
Anyone says anything negative after a win gets put down with why are you being negative after a win . If anyone says anything after a draw/loss you get put down with well some people were just waiting for the team to do badly so that they can attack him
United didn't have a squad close in quality City's last season, and yet that was the barometer. Is that fair?
Who would have guessed it, the first one with "Ole" in the username has bitten. Answer to your post, see below.
So we have to take context into account. So what about the injuries of Liverpool and the bad mood in the Chelsea squad? What about these teams having to play clubs like Real Madrid (both had to play them), Porto, Atletico Madrid and Leipzig? Isn't that context as well? It is but you guys act as if it is only Manchester United and their misunderstood genius of a manager who experiences troubles of some sort. Seriously at some point, I am pretty sure you are bordline-downrating his performances by overemphasizing his achievements. It reminds me a bit of a mother trying to shield her child against the mean life out there, which at least to me, is a bit weird.
And that is why sometimes, taking context into consideration doesn't really get you anywhere and you are better off to focus on the results. Pretty great results I want to point out. To be beaten that close by some elite coaches isn't criticism, it should be an honor. And an indicator, that Ole might have something in him that at some point will elevate him. But right now, he simply isn't there yet. That doesn't mean, the only possible solution is to get rid - that does only mean, that, while trying to reach the highest honors as a club, we have to evaluate every factor. Including the manager.
Three genuine questions for you:
A) Do you think, it was a good performance today? (performance - not result which isn't debatable)
B) Do you think, that todays team performance is what this team is capable of?
C) What do you think, were the decisive factors for the performance today?
I think it's one thing to be negative and another to constantly just go to "manager isn't good enough we're doomed" after every poor game. There's many legitimate things to be critical about, but not all criticisms have to end up with wanting a manager change. Tell us what you think Ole could or should do differently and discuss that rather simplifying it and stopping further analysis to happen.
I get that we all have opinions about him, players, tactics, etc. We should. But to be honest with you; Ole is not going to be fired anytime soon. What you can’t do anything about will just be a waste of time. So why not just stand behind him and give him some benefit of the doubt.
If this season turn into a mare, he will be gone. It’s as simple as that.
———————DDG
Young Smalling Jones Valencia
———Herrera Fellani Pogba
——-Rashford Lukaku Sanchez
———————DDG
AWB Varane Maguire Shaw
————Fred McT
Sancho—Bruno——Pogba
——————CR7
Have some respect.
Young Smalling Jones Valencia
———Herrera Fellani Pogba
——-Rashford Lukaku Sanchez
———————DDG
AWB Varane Maguire Shaw
————Fred McT
Sancho—Bruno——Pogba
——————CR7
Have some respect.
No, absolutely no United fan would say that I can guarantee you that.
3 points. Just keep collecting them.
My username was honestly meant as a joke about how often we saw him just looking at the screen after every decision. Didn't do it because I like him - I thought that was given since I'm a United fan. But let me answer your questions either way.
A) Bad performance, still a very good result. Wolves are always a very tough opponents and 3 points there are vital. I can bet you at least one of the big 4 will drop points there this season.
B) No
C) McTominay being injured, Varane having his debut, key players having bad games (Fred, Pogba, Bruno, Sancho), a few tactical choices (playing Pogba deeper). But I also know a lot of these things changed that ultimately got us the win - like Pogba improving second half, Fred not give it straight to Wolves, us making tactical changes - Bruno went deeper to support the midfield, Mason moved out wide, etc.
The issue is I think all those problems can be corrected and have been corrected in the past. We had a lot of those issues last year too but corrected them over the course of the season. Midfield is an issue. What happens with Donny will be key IMO. Because if Ole doesn't think he could seriously contribute this season, then going into the new season without another midfielder is suicide - one I fear Ole will pay for with his job. And I want him to succeed - not just because I'm a "fanboy" or whatever, but because he's a club legend. And winning it with him would mean a hell of a lot more than winning it with a Conte or a Tuchel would.
Of course he wont, I am just pointing out that the results will dry up because the performance is not just there and when it does, he will be gone.
I am worried for him in that he is under pressure to deliver both in performance and results and I just dont think he has it in him when it becomes important to do so.
Let's hope am wrong.
Thanks for letting us know. Why not post something about Ole instead of some statements about fans who do not share your opinion? Maybe we should create a thread for that like "Posts about posters who are not supporting the club correctly"?
With that logic, we can close the forum. If you are bothered reading some opinion you don't share, nobody is forcing you (I hope). Advising other people to voice their opinions is pretty arrogant, don't think, you would like to receive such advices when you criticize stuff.
So what does that have to with todays match? Do you want me to post the lineup of the team who pretty much outplayed us today?
We literally lost 2 points a week ago. And we were pretty close to losing some today. Which is down to a disappointing performance. Which is, what the criticism is about. There is no point repeating the praise for his results, no one's arguing that the results are the biggest issue here.
This is Ole discussion thread. Not post match.
It is a fantastic transformation in just 2 years. Ironically, signing Ronaldo may prove costly for Ole because if things don't go well, board won't be that hesitant to sack him as they possibly would if there was no Cristiano as it's clear he's coming to try win things, things being Premier League and/or Champions League and he even being a new player represents huge authority.
If he doesn't get the team playing, Ole has to go. He can even stay getting another role at the club but manager has to do what Tuchel has been doing at Chelsea, turning a squad with lot of potential into a quality team.
Every time Ole plays with only one of McFred, it is terrifying for the defense. Don't blame him for using McFred double all the time.
Luckily now we got Varane to sweep up (and what a player), but still there were so many terrifying moments which could have cost us 2 or 3 goals.
Luckily now we got Varane to sweep up (and what a player), but still there were so many terrifying moments which could have cost us 2 or 3 goals.
Ole is what held us back today - it was clear as day he got his team setup wrong in the first half today and there was no change made whatsoever tactically until the 53 minute.
Pogba and Fred were both out of position for the first 45 minutes - our whole midfield was like subway turnstiles.
Ole will hold this team back just like Lampard did with Chelsea. SAF needs to call Zidane to present him our project.
Pogba and Fred were both out of position for the first 45 minutes - our whole midfield was like subway turnstiles.
Ole will hold this team back just like Lampard did with Chelsea. SAF needs to call Zidane to present him our project.
Sure, you can make the case for Pool. For Chelsea - not sure what your point is, as that table is post-Lampard table. For your CL opponents point, we had additional 2 games in Europa. If you're bringing injuries into context, then lets also bring empty mid-weeks for Pool as they got knowcked out of FA cup pre-Tuchel and knocked out of CL in QF.
As far as your 2nd para is concerned, sure let's forget context for the sake of argument. But I think you avoided my question. Would you say that Ole was a better manager than Klopp last season? (I won't but it seems like you don't like considering context so, I'm assuming you would say that)
As for your questions -
A) No, it wasn't. But we aren't talking about today. The post which we're discussing considers 28 odd games
B) No, we can play better. But again, we aren't just talking about today.
C) 3/3 - Not talking about today's game. But if you want the answer, we lost the midfield battle.
I really hope that the forum in general stops rating the team either way, good or bad, on a match by match basis. And if they want to, then apply it to every manager. I'd love to see the absurd views (more absurd*) the forum comes up with - I'm pretty sure Klopp's pool can't deal with low block defences would be the "terrible take of the week" once we start that.
When judging/rating any player, you don't take into account one game, do you? I doubt scouts sign a player after watching him once? Or you root for a player's signing on the basis of one game? So, why analyze everything on a game by game basis? I don't mind commenting on performances btw on a weekly basis. Its a forum, but going across the spectrum on a weekly basis is tiring
He's going to have his hands full on trying to solve the midfield problem. If McFred is not fit and in form then getting a midfield of VDB or matic to effectively step in will be a major challenge.
I still feel that if only we had rice in the ranks, then a midfield of him and Mctominay would have made us a lot not solid and in control.
I still feel that if only we had rice in the ranks, then a midfield of him and Mctominay would have made us a lot not solid and in control.
Oh thats why you posted two lineups in the middle of a discussion about team performances. Right, got it. Sorry for being irritated.
For how long? I mean how long do we repeat this drivel of standing behind the manager? Does every manager need to be given 3 years 500M and a world class squad before we expect to play in some coherent way against bottom feeders?
No thanks.
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