Afghanistan

[Foxbatt]

The US,Taliban and Afghan government had an agreement. Then President Ghani fecked it up by leaving without telling anyone. That collapsed the Afghan Army. They even offered to provide security for the airport.
Biden did good in getting out of there. Now they are saying the British messed up by insisting on keeping on Gate open.

 

[Raoul]

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[crappycraperson]

Disgusting. Of course there is very little on this in the US since they're someone else's kids. Humans are real bastards and the blood of these children is on Biden's hands as much as that of the bomber who was hiding nearby (if he actually existed).

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A different kind of terrorism. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/world/asia/afghanistan-drone-attack-ISIS.html

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I believe a lot of those military ATVs and choppers etc can be disabled remotely. The US will get them back as part of the cargo, one way or another. It might take some good chunk of change lining the Taliban pockets to enable that and I think the Taliban rather take the cash than those vehicles ,which can be tracked or disabled on a whim by the US military.

 

[Foxbatt]

I believe a lot of those military ATVs and choppers etc can be disabled remotely. The US will get them back as part of the cargo, one way or another. It might take some good chunk of change lining the Taliban pockets to enable that and I think the Taliban rather take the cash than those vehicles ,which can be tracked or disabled on a whim by the US military.

It's obvious the choppers or any other high tech equipment can't be used.

 

[nimic]

It's obvious the choppers or any other high tech equipment can't be used.

Hasn't there already been footage of the Taliban test flying a chopper (very close to the ground)?

 

[Fearless]

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We'll be going back in anyway, thanks to that pathetic dementia-in-chief.

 

[Raoul]

We'll be going back in anyway, thanks to that pathetic dementia-in-chief.

Thanks to Trump you mean. He was the one who initiated the withdrawal by negotiating it with the Taliban in Qatar (in the absence of the Afghan government no less).

 

[shamans]

We'll be going back in anyway, thanks to that pathetic dementia-in-chief.

So will you be enlisting this time? Or typing from comfort of your lounge?

 

[Fearless]

Thanks to Trump you mean. He was the one who initiated the withdrawal by negotiating it with the Taliban in Qatar (in the absence of the Afghan government no less).

Maybe, but this falls on Biden...a vanity project timed so he and his handlers could swing their dicks on the 20th anniversary of 9/11.

 

[bosskeano]

Hasn't there already been footage of the Taliban test flying a chopper (very close to the ground)?

https://nypost.com/2021/08/31/video-shows-man-hanging-below-black-hawk-flown-by-taliban/

 

[bosskeano]

Thanks to Trump you mean. He was the one who initiated the withdrawal by negotiating it with the Taliban in Qatar (in the absence of the Afghan government no less).

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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[The Firestarter]

So will you be enlisting this time? Or typing from comfort of your lounge?

Doubt Israel will send troops.

 

[Fearless]

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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Exactly.

BTW - that execution was 4 or 5 days ago.

 

[Gehrman]

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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No agency on part of the taliban here?

 

[Raoul]

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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Except that Trump didn't handle it sensibly. Negotiating directly with the Taliban in Doha in the absence of the Afghan government completely demoralized the Afghan Army and government as they knew the US were negotiating their demise directly with their enemy, without them having any say in the matter. What will would there have been to fight it at that point.

Biden screwed up with setting a 9/11 timeline to withdraw so he could scalp a cheap PR win, which has since spectacularly backfired, so that's on him.

 

[Fearless]

Doubt Israel will send troops.

Many IDF elite units served in US/UAE uniform.

Good bait though.

 

[shamans]

Many IDF elite units served in US/UAE uniform.

Good bait though.

Will you?

 

[Gehrman]

Will you?

Are you going to fight for Hamas?

 

[matherto]

It's a shame all these vehicles, weapon systems and rifles are left behind, but most of the weapon systems and vehicles are most likely no use to the taliban, right? I mean - they don't have the technical knowhow, logistical abilities and ressources to maintain them. They'll be useless in a few months. Those rifles and other ground equipment for modern warfare (night goggles, scopes, whatever...), on the other hand - I've read about 300.000 rifles and 100.000 machine guns - are quite troublesome. Very powerful tools and completely suitable for the taliban and their soon to be rogue state.

Thing is, I don’t see them invading another country and I don’t see another country invading them so yeah they’ve got all these weapons but no reason to use them beyond ‘mess around and aim at rocks or fly around cause they’re bored’.

 

[Raoul]

Are you going to fight for Hamas?

That's Khhhamas - get it right.

 

[Agent Red]

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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God that video is horrendous

 

[Rektsanwalt]

These problems would've happened under nearly any scenario. Once Trump's team met with the Taliban in Qatar (in the absence of the actual Afghan government) and committed to a US withdrawal, it completely kneecapped the Afghan government and military from preventing what would eventually happen - and indeed did this past month.

It's the most likely scenario? It's not easy to judge at this point, but I highly doubt that there was no possibility for Biden to create a scenario in which the withdrawal isn't as catastrophic as this was. In any case the man in charge is responsible for what's happening.

Aside from taking / destroying anything they gave the Afghan "army" (which would have defeated the purpose) I don't see how the end result wouldn't always have been the same.

Exactly. Or maybe actually make sure consequences follow if they're not used properly at least. There surely were other possibilities bar leaving all that equipment behind.

Thing is, I don’t see them invading another country and I don’t see another country invading them so yeah they’ve got all these weapons but no reason to use them beyond ‘mess around and aim at rocks or fly around cause they’re bored’.

Well, obviously Afghanistan under the Taliban are no real international threat, but what about inner terrorism? This equipment can cement their status. Most of that stuff will be sold for a lot of money or used for their own state. Having a fleet of humvees and 300.000 rifles and 100.000 machine guns which are state of the art is pretty nice to have as a rogue state.

 

[Fearless]

Are you going to fight for Hamas?

 

[shamans]

Are you going to fight for Hamas?

That's Khhhamas - get it right.

Shows your general attitude to killings of innocents for no reasons. My stance here is anti war so how ridiculous you assume I'll join some faction.

I'm not surprised though @Gehrman is one of those western "bhuddists" who listen to a few podcasts and buy into feeling "zen" but is all for war and killings

 

[Spoony]

Killer Zen Buddhists.

 

[Gehrman]

Shows your general attitude to killings of innocents for no reasons. My stance here is anti war so how ridiculous you assume I'll join some faction.

I'm not surprised though @Gehrman is one of those western "bhuddists" who listen to a few podcasts and buy into feeling "zen" but is all for war and killings

Projections

 

[Gehrman]

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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What makes Biden racist in this instance or are you talking about his general history?

 

[shamans]

Projections

Calling out war mongering hurts I'm sure.

 

[Gehrman]

Calling out war mongering hurts I'm sure.

Ive never been a war mongerer and consistenly voted for parties that aint. I'm not a Zen buddhist anyhow. I'm Nyingma.

 

[bosskeano]

What makes Biden racist in this instance or are you talking about his general history?

just his general history....like this for example

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[Wednesday at Stoke]

just his general history....like this for example

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That tone of that pronoun depends on the relationship between the two.

 

[Gehrman]

just his general history....like this for example

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If that's the smoking gun it could be a hell of lot worse. A dinosaur calls a younger man a "boy". But I guess some of the crime bills he made in the past is it.

 

[The Firestarter]

Oh no, not the b word.

 

[Gehrman]

Oh no, not the b word.

 

[bosskeano]

That tone of that pronoun depends on the relationship between the two.

good old southern plantation....trump did the same and shit would go down for sure.

He has a storied history of political policies that coincide with this type of rhetoric

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

good old southern plantation....trump did the same and shit would go down for sure.

He has a storied history of political policies that coincide with this type of rhetoric

There was even a Supreme court ruling on this. The word itself is not considered pejorative, unless it is said in a condescending tone. Biden here refers to a guy who was the head of his presidential transition team, so he's someone close to him.

 

[ZIDANE]

initiating a withdrawal after 20 years is and was sensible.....the way it was handled, the manner in which they withdrew and left everything behind including american citizens, afghan interpreters etc.....that falls completely on that racist houseplant of a president we have now

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Viral video does not show man hanged from helicopter

Video seen by the BBC shows the man is very much alive
A video which has been claimed to show a condemned man being hanged from a helicopter seized by the Taliban appears to have been misleadingly captioned.
The 11-second clip - which has over 2m views and has been shared thousands of times on Twitter - is blurred and doesn’t give a clear indication of what is going on.
Further footage and still photographs seen by the BBC show that the man flying over the city of Kandahar is very much alive. These images show him wearing the Blackhawk helicopter’s diver’s winch and waving the Taliban flag.
Several Afghanistan experts, quoting Taliban sources, have told the BBC that the flight yesterday was an attempt to fix a flag over a public building using their newly-captured US-built equipment.
The helicopter appears to be the aircraft which was seen taxiing at Kandahar several days ago after it was seized by the Taliban from the Afghanistan Air Force. One defence analyst suggests the aircrew probably defected to the Taliban with their aircraft.
US-trained helicopter winch operators wear the loop at the back, which could easily be mistaken for a noose in poor quality video footage. British RAF, Royal Navy and HM Coastguard divers, on the other hand, wear the loop to their front.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900

 

[VorZakone]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-58279900

I have to say I was somewhat sceptical of the Taliban hanging somebody from a helicopter. That's definitely something that could and probably has happened during the reigns of South American military juntas in the 70s and shit. But I wouldn't expect that from the Taliban in 2021.

 

[SirScholes]

It's obvious the choppers or any other high tech equipment can't be used.

No but they can be sold, they’ve got millions to earn in selling to people we probably don’t want having US equipment