Started the friendly against Stoke today along side matic. Game ended with a 4-3 loss. No idea how he played
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Yeah he’s terrible at times. But he gets through a lot of work, at least (or should that be “at most”).
I would ask why we’re buying Ronaldo when CM is such a clusterfuk but truth is we couldn’t buy even a half decent CM for the Ronaldo fee.
Probably highlights that he needs that CDM just as much as Pogba does.
One in the eye for the #h8rz who said he doesn’t get chances in meaningful games.
Right now we are need a single defender in midfielder who can hold his position as his partner moves further up pitch. Then joins him to press. Because its fair obvious Varane and Maguire are not going to need double protection from midfield.
Im convinced Mctominay can do so easily.
Matic is a natural at it but is now too old.
Fred has to learn how to do it consistently. ( he can do it. Remember the semi final in the europa league vs sevilla on neutral ground. He was brilliant as the sole DM in the 4-1-4-1 we employed that day. A day when poor finishing and lindelof and awb falling asleep cost us dear in match we utterly dominated the opposition).
DVB theoretically has the football training and positional sense to do it, thanks to his up bringing at Ajax.
Im convinced Mctominay can do so easily.
Matic is a natural at it but is now too old.
Fred has to learn how to do it consistently. ( he can do it. Remember the semi final in the europa league vs sevilla on neutral ground. He was brilliant as the sole DM in the 4-1-4-1 we employed that day. A day when poor finishing and lindelof and awb falling asleep cost us dear in match we utterly dominated the opposition).
DVB theoretically has the football training and positional sense to do it, thanks to his up bringing at Ajax.
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that selling Donny would not raise enough fund to bring in a new midfielder (or the midfield we wanted anyway). In other words, selling Donny had no upside for OGS. Just one less option.
Everytime he has had a few minutes he`s looked lost out there , not good enough . I can`t understand why so many want him to play from what we`ve seen of him.
Yeah think he should get more opportunities in those games where we get pressed and need to move the ball quicker in CM
I get the impression he plays with no purpose at times so wouldn't surprise me.
I wonder if this performance is a result of him feeling disheartened he's not played a minute yet this season
I agree but then why keep him? Our squad is so bloated compared to the rest of the league. Apart from bumping up our already crazy wage bill, what purpose does it serve for Ole to be so unwilling to streamline this squad?
If that's the case then I'm afraid he doesn't have the mentality for a club like this.
His confidence must be at an all time low right now. He's never going to be guaranteed minutes here so it's a very tough situation for him.
We're far from bloated in CM, though. Still agree he should have been loaned or sold, if Ole doesn't trust him.
If that bloke is correct in his assesment, then no wonder Ole is not picking Donny.
Same energy as when Chelsea fans used to say Hazard could win the Ballon d’Or but he didn’t want to
Is it?
20 years ago maybe but Ajax have been shit for years now. If their academy was still doing the business you'd expect the first team would be benefiting by now.
They've really had very few stars come through recently when you look through this list. Even De Ligt who looked a nailed on superstar has stalled outside Holland.
Maybe, but eventually Ole must make a call. Will Donny improve, if not we must cut our losses and sell him.
Who’s right about Mental Gymnastics, I raised the accusation.
Secondly, read the damn theead. No one has equated their actions. I’ve called them 2 mouthy agents; you’d know this had you read my posts instead of wading in without. . . context. How ludicrous.
So he isn’t good enough to play more but his agent should mouth off? Bang on theory there lad.
Telling me I’m not a mod then asking me to change my tone is rather ironic.
I’ve clarified the 3 matches statement in a prior post. If he wanted to start the season as a guaranteed starter at club level, he’s at the wrong club.
His agent doing a tell all as the window closes disclosing agreements places unnecessary pressure on player & club.
Anyway, I thought you were done. . .
Why don't you hand in a transfer request and leave? Support United not a player who so far showed absolute zero whenever he got a chance. Cleverly showed much more when he was thrown in there than seasoned player coming from great Ajax side..
He will get his chance if he shows he's reliable enough for Ole, three games into the season, and this thread is full of crybabies. Will be painful to follow throughout the season.
VdB could have been told a manner of things prior to joining, from guaranteed starter in every game to bench warner, the likelihood is he was told somewhere in between but has fell further towards the latter. You’re a fan on a forum, quit talking from a position of knowledge you simply can’t have.
Your initial response to me was rather aggressive but fully understandable that you can’t take the same.
Accusing me of ‘straw man’ when you’re whole point is based on a feeling, clueless.
Jorgingo was in the top 10 for chance creation in the Euros and interceptions. He also made the same number of interceptions as Fred in the league in 2021. He does other things such as score 8 times.
I dont want him playing long passes. Just do a bit more with it. bit more positive.
guarentees nothing. Are dutch players that good today?
well it was all I had mate. Tell me what you think of Donny. Is he die antwoord? is he the goat? do we have Cocu rotting on our bench?
Fair post.
this place is always making heros out of whoever leaves or whoever is on the bench, so long as we have a gap in the team. Its like clockwork. I am not writing him off but he has demonstrated little to me so far and has to prove himself big time.
If he really is he's not a United material, he should absolutely be after every little chance he gets and prove everyone wrong. Kagawa and Mkhitaryan came with a higher profile and failed miserably, due to being especially mentally very weak.
I'd hope he can profile himself as Herrera who came here playing mostly as a #10 but wasn't good/spectacular enough for a team of our calibre so adapted pretty quickly into a great #8. Both players are quite weak physically but positionally intelligent, with average passing range, average pace, but it didn't stop Herrera be very good for us, because he had the grit and determination to change his game and become more of a ball winner. It's perfect time for Donny now, let's not be hysterical with every game he doesn't play though.
He will get his chance eventually. Matic showed he's way past it despite being decent in the preseason but of course preseason is nothing compared to real EPL, so I hope Ole have seen enough. Fred has been brilliant for us the season before last one and still very decent last season overall, but didn't start well. He's actually our only player who covers so much ground and presses very well from midfield so it's hard to displace him even if he's had a bad first half, so it's still much safer bet then play Donny but the chance is coming imho. McTominay was average at best except for two or three games where he was brilliant, last season but somewhat depandable, but is injured now.
Pogba will take one of the spots now when we are flooded with the attacking talent, so maybe Donny will get his chance soon in an easier home game. next to him but it's a big task because it's a one man midfield at times either next to Pogba or Matic, off the ball..
You implied that there was some sort of double standard for Raiola and Albers. Everyone except you is fine with an agent giving an interview on their clients. It's that Raiola disrespects the club in both word and deed that upsets a lot of fans. There were many things VDB and Albers could have done to "improve" his situation that would disrespect the club, they chose to give an update at the end of the window, as to not feck with the club's decision of keeping him. No offering to Liverpool, No Di Maria shenanigans, not slamming the club during the window to put pressure on them okaying a transfer, etc. Then Albers stated there was some sort of agreement or understanding, not exactly contradicting Ole's words that "Donny will be important", which he had already told the press. You can look up all the scummy stuff Raiola does yourself. It's not giving an interview that people are annoyed by.
What exactly was aggressive in this post, "fecking Liverpool" or "mental gymnastics"? Did the bolded bit feel like I was yelling towards you?
That wasn’t your initial response though was it. . .
What a sensational piece of shithousery
All this cause I think his agent is mouthy, pathetic from you there lad.
I’m taking a leaf from your book & ignoring the rest of your post.
Agree
Albers never mentioned "broken promises". I listened to the 3 minute original interview and was the first to link it in this thread. Link me where you read "broken promises" as a translation of what Albers said. I'm correct in stating you equating the two agents is based on a faulty premise. I'd even argue if he did say that, he'd come nowhere near Raiola's scummy behavior, both with regards to Pogba and in general.That wasn’t your initial response though was it. . .
What a sensational piece of shithousery
All this cause I think his agent is mouthy, pathetic from you there lad.
I’m taking a leaf from your book & ignoring the rest of your post.
If you find "you don't know what you're talking about" so aggressive you have to be a cnut about it, I don't see a point in discussing any topic with you. I noticed I wouldn't be the first.
'Mouth off'... Is any comment mouthing off to you then? Cause all he said is that they're disappointed with how things have gone (promise of minutes, blocked transfer), but are seeing the positive due to further discussion with Ole. I'd call that simply 'commenting on the situation'. And of course he does it now, because the situation hadn't fully developed until the transfer deadline had passed.
Maybe it puts some pressure on the club, but since so far the club appears to have been unhelpful to Van de Beek (not that the club has to be, but of course his agent does care), I can understand if he thought it's time he went public. That's still not 'mouthing off' though
Who has ever mentioned 'guaranteed starter'?
Nah, it's fun now.
I’ve addressed paraphrasing & then highlighted his comments regarding ‘promises’ being made in the past yet you’re still on this.
You then harp on about aggression & have since called me a ‘cnut’, how. . . passive.
We’re so far from where we started which is actually quite a sad indictment of most discussions on this forum.
At no point have I said Albers is ‘as bad’ as Raiola yet you continue to pile on with the drivel as if there’s some scoreboard so again I’ll state, they’re both mouthy agents.
You’re right, you’re not the ‘first’ poster with faux outrage for Raiola.
Daft as it sounds I wonder if Utd saw him & Saul in a similar kind of way and that's why they didn't rival Chelsea at all
Key word. At the Euros.
He most certainly isn't in the top 10 in league football. Which is my point. Statistically in the league he creates as much as a Fred. Big difference between the two is he rarely cedes possession easily to the opposition.
True. But of no relevance what so ever to my argument
True. Yet Again complete lack of relevance to my argument. ...
Him going public putting pressure on the club isn’t mouthing off? That’s olympic grade dexterity there.
It has been for the past day or so, welcome to the party.
Was it confirmed he played in a midfield 2?
That would clear something up at least, and place Donny as 5th choice CM behind Fred/Scott/Pogba/Matic…
or 4th choice in Pogba plays where he should play on the left side of attack.
That would clear something up at least, and place Donny as 5th choice CM behind Fred/Scott/Pogba/Matic…
or 4th choice in Pogba plays where he should play on the left side of attack.
My point is he isn't just in the team because he passes safe and recycles possession which is what Donny offers
Looks like Tom Cleverley when he plays for us in that double pivot. No physical attribute and just keep it simple, tidy, safe. Cleverley's job was just to make sure he doesn't feck it up by giving the ball away, just pass it safe and let Carrick do the magic, which is why he had 90% successful passing with us. Cleverley was lucky to be United player because he has Carrick. But we don't have Carrick right now, that's the issue. Although, I would never be certain if Donny looks like Cleverley in that double pivot or no until he is actually given good run of games. He needs to play between 5-10 games in a row (at least 5 games in a row) for us to judge him and be certain that he is good or no in that double pivot.
You're aware that you don't need to to press enter twice after every sentence? It makes your posts an unreadable mess.
And you're lying: (edited the posts to get to the point and because your enter key is broken. People can click on the originals to read the full thing):
Raiola says and does everything with the goal of making extra money, which Pogba is completely fine with. Albers literally did not say anything 'till the transfer window was concluded (which is where all the money making happens). Albers is known as a decent agent, he could've put a lot more pressure on the club by shittalking them months ago, like Raiola would have done and does all the time with clients. Albers, as VDB's representative, didn't.
Mental gymnastics to equate the two, unless you think agents giving interviews is a negative thing in and of itself, and that's why people don't like Raiola, because he does interviews, not because he offers our players to Liverpool or that he loses arbitration cases because of his scummy, illegal practices.
I listened to the 3minute interview, very carefully, again. Albers didn't say "broken promises". You just have to take my word for it that all the sources that say otherwise are parroting someone's headline seeking mistranslations. It's not something you could've known, but "you don't know what you're talking about" is not something you should lose sleep over.
And you're lying: (edited the posts to get to the point and because your enter key is broken. People can click on the originals to read the full thing):
Raiola has offered Pogba to Liverpool, said "it's over, he's leaving" and "Paul Pogba wants to win trophies at Man Utd or with another top European club", not very respectful to the club.
Raiola says and does everything with the goal of making extra money, which Pogba is completely fine with. Albers literally did not say anything 'till the transfer window was concluded (which is where all the money making happens). Albers is known as a decent agent, he could've put a lot more pressure on the club by shittalking them months ago, like Raiola would have done and does all the time with clients. Albers, as VDB's representative, didn't.
Mental gymnastics to equate the two, unless you think agents giving interviews is a negative thing in and of itself, and that's why people don't like Raiola, because he does interviews, not because he offers our players to Liverpool or that he loses arbitration cases because of his scummy, illegal practices.
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