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Jack Grealish | Man City
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
People used to like him, and one of the popular thing I read was "replace Pogba with Grealish". Then he signed for City, and the popular consensus became that he is "overrated" because a couple of posters went overboard with their praise. That's absurd, like saying Bruno is "underrated" because someone called him shit. All the discourse about him not being a “generational talent” was just pure cope being posted because City got him. A lot will deny all this, but that's just normal football fan behaviour tbh. Caftards were saying he will rot on the bench
He's topping the charts on most chances created from open play. He is an excellent player, and most folks here would agree. People saying otherwise dont understand football. Gutted City got him, but he was overpriced and we dont really need another LW.
That's bound to happen, from fans of all clubs in the PL. Literally everyone in England loved him last season/during the Euros. Once he's signed for a big club, he's suddenly an enemy of everyone except City fans and he's massively overrated, not worth £100m and everything he does will be scutinised.
Yeah even I dont think he's worth 100M, and that's the English tax. But he is a top player no doubt. Hate City and their talent hoarding.
spot onPeople used to like him, and one of the popular thing I read was "replace Pogba with Grealish". Then he signed for City, and the popular consensus became that he is "overrated" because a couple of posters went overboard with their praise. That's absurd, like saying Bruno is "underrated" because someone called him shit. All the discourse about him not being a “generational talent” was just pure cope being posted because City got him. A lot will deny all this, but that's just normal football fan behaviour tbh. Caftards were saying he will rot on the bench
He's topping the charts on most chances created from open play. He is an excellent player, and most folks here would agree. People saying otherwise dont understand football. Gutted City got him, but he was overpriced and we dont really need another LW.
Have we been watching the same matches? He’s been brilliant in every single game he’s started this season bar the Spurs game. He’s also created the most non-set piece chances in Europe’s top five leagues this season.
Yep he's been pretty good. Torres missed a couple of big chances Grealish created, so people haven't took notice.
Also hardly a 100m player, not even close the impact Kane would've had if he came.
Yes and he hasn’t been an upgrade on what you had. Even on bluemoon his player performance thread has barely been a discussion in it and some of your own fans are wondering why he was bought. It’s always the stats we can track, or quote for a fact that is always brought up with Grealish. “The most balls carried forward” “the most fouls”.
“Chance created” is a broad stat because what constitute as a chance for you might not constitute a chance for me. Unlike assist or goal stats were it’s facts and can’t be argued.
And you really think if he was tearing it up this thread wouldn’t be bumped all match days? There would have been bumps on here why we should have signed him instead on CAF. Lukaku’s thread gets bumped every match day because he is tearing it up.
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I would have had and still would have Grealish over Sancho the guys just unbelievable.
Sancho suits our needs more than Grealish does. Hence Sancho is a better and a cheaper buy.
He was very good in each of his starts so far. I know he was ridiculously expensive but that won't change it.
Can somebody please tell me how much better he is than the player he is replacing? Pure stats would be fine. I haven‘t watched any City match yet but am interested in the difference he makes (or doesn‘t).
I'm not sure I fully understand your question. Foden and De Bruyne have been injured up to now but it's hard to say who replaces who. Sterling also occupied LW before Foden but it's obvious they are stylistically different players to Grealish (but also compared to each other). Which means that their traits will also have different effect on the team. So purely a goal or assists metrics or even the advanced ones (xG or xA) would be pointless in my opinion. Grealish will of course carry the ball more, thus creating space, whereas Sterling will run into the space etc.
In squad terms, however, he practically replaced Aguero, so that's a win already.
Let's be honest, he's a fantastic player, even if he is just a slight upgrade on their previous options. But... City can afford it, and they prevented him going to a rival, which would significantly strengthen us/Chelsea.
Grealish, Mahrez are both better wide forwards than Sancho. Overall I’d choose Grealish, right or left.
Except Grealish doesn’t play on the right. It’s like Beckham playing on the left wing. His specialty is right wing. Just cause he is a winger doesn’t mean he will as efficient on the left as he is on the right.
The best manager in the world thinks he can play anywhere across his front 5.
The greatest manager of all time thought Rooney can play in central midfield. Did that work out? City’s needs are different from ours. That’s why I said Sancho is better suited for our needs. Sancho is better Grealish on the RW. When was the last time you saw Grealish play on the right?
I would not pick a right winger just because we need one, I’d go for talent and jacks a world star.
A fluid forward line could easily be implemented with Rashford, Greenwood, Ronaldo, Cavani, Grealish, Pogba.
However we have Sancho and I for one have been pleased with his performances, it’s what I’d expect coming from the bundesliga at 21. He’s shown some decent stuff in flashes.
I’m truly looking forward to this as I believe it’s our best and most balanced front 6.
Rashford———Ronaldo——-Sancho
————————-Bruno————————
————-Fred————-Mctominay——-
Pogba, Greenwood, Cavani also contributing heavily.
That’s really a dumb way of building a side. We need to fix weakness rather than buying players just cause they are talented and load up on positions. If that’s the case then why didn’t we get more “talented” players and load up on positions we are already stacked in. Romero and Torres are talented at CB. Why didn’t we get them as well? Donnaruma is a great GK. Why not him?
Whether he is good or not is irrelevant. They probably got mixed up when we said they spent £100m for someone who isn’t worth £100m in squad improvement. If he signed for Arsenal he would be worth £100m + but for city.. they overpaid for what they actually got.
Appreciate the reply, thanks.
As I haven‘t watched him for City yet, I really am only interested in like for like stats in comparison with players who had been playing that position before Grealish arrived.
I still intend to watch games to have a complete picture, and as you say, be able to judge him on non-measurable things. Obviously, he doesn‘t just have flair. But until then, I love numbers and hoped somebody had already gathered a bunch.
Because Jack is someone you buy, regardless of what you have. City have Sterling, Mahrez and Foden and they still went for Grealish, he’s brilliant.
We currently have Rashford, Greenwood and Pogba in those positions, Grealish is completely different to all three as he’s an elite, world level ball carrier and would be great for us in Europe not to mention he’s probably the most entertaining player on the planet.
Put Grealish where Sancho has played for us and in each game he would do better than what Sancho has done.
Has Pogba had more assists than Grealish this season?
When did this happen , I don't think Rooney ever played in midfield for Sir Alex and if you were thinking about Van Gaal's tenure then you are clearly overrating his standing in the Game.
Rooney played as CM for SAF.
So did O Shea but it was done occasionally , wasn't it Van Gaal who actually tried to convert Rooney into CM maybe I am misremembering .
Did he really? How often was that? As far as I remember, Rooney played as a #10 in the 12-13 season behind RvP mostly, rotating with Kagawa. That season we had Cleverley, Carrick, Anderson, Scholes and Giggs in CM. I dont remember Rooney playing as a CM for us under SAF, atleast not regularly.
You said " I don't think Rooney ever played in midfield for Sir Alex " I said he did. He didn't convert him into CM or thought that was his long term position. He played few times even in CL against some weak team.
Just checked transfermarkt, and Rooney played 2 games as a CM under SAF in his final season.
Very few times, he played alongside Carrick vs Villa when we won the league.
He played in 2011-12 vs Galati
Forward/attacking midfielder who has scored total of around 20 goals in past 5 or so seasons is the most entertaining player in the world.
Sometimes players should be more careful when choosing which bot represents them on football forums
And you guys ask why people from around the world don't like England and english players.
We need a Michael Owen style brochure to Jack. He’s even more clean and fresh!
What were Iniesta's stats like? He was pretty entertaining. Though, despite playing in the most dominant team of all time and spending 60%+ of every game around the oppositions box, his goal and assists stats were horrendous, so he mustn't have been that entertaining I guess.
Forward/attacking midfielder who has scored total of around 20 goals in past 5 or so seasons is the most entertaining player in the world.
Sometimes players should be more careful when choosing which bot represents them on football forums
And you guys ask why people from around the world don't like England and english players.
@dal , please don't tell me you found Iniesta entertaining, too?!
Don't understand the debate here. I think it's really simple:
1. City can afford to spend 100m on an area they're already strong, because they're not tethered to any financial realities
2. He is an incremental improvement on what they have, so will make the already best team better
3. Their existing team is good enough that he'll be better at City than, say, with us - because we're not at good as City.
City have the best squad on the planet, one of the best first XIs and a manager and system that makes Grealish's position a priority. Grealish will have more opportunities to create, time with the ball and have less defensive responsiblities with City than any other club. So he's going to shine.
1. City can afford to spend 100m on an area they're already strong, because they're not tethered to any financial realities
2. He is an incremental improvement on what they have, so will make the already best team better
3. Their existing team is good enough that he'll be better at City than, say, with us - because we're not at good as City.
City have the best squad on the planet, one of the best first XIs and a manager and system that makes Grealish's position a priority. Grealish will have more opportunities to create, time with the ball and have less defensive responsiblities with City than any other club. So he's going to shine.
A good player, but a generational talent he is not. Anyway, don't really care much for him. City had excellent wide players even without him so he doesn't really improve them much, if at all. Kane, on the other hand, would have made them nigh on impossible to catc - at least in the League.People used to like him, and one of the popular thing I read was "replace Pogba with Grealish". Then he signed for City, and the popular consensus became that he is "overrated" because a couple of posters went overboard with their praise. That's absurd, like saying Bruno is "underrated" because someone called him shit. All the discourse about him not being a “generational talent” was just pure cope being posted because City got him. A lot will deny all this, but that's just normal football fan behaviour tbh. Caftards were saying he will rot on the bench
He's topping the charts on most chances created from open play. He is an excellent player, and most folks here would agree. People saying otherwise dont understand football. Gutted City got him, but he was overpriced and we dont really need another LW.
Unless you are talking about mars or the moon this is utter horse shit.
Is this the same guy who claimed he is the new Ronaldinho?